Hogan's Trump Apologist Interview in the NY Times

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Anonymous wrote:Regardless of summer brain drain, the one thing that is true is that national test dates remain the same- so AP and SAT scores will decrease because there will be fewer days to prep and fewer breaks to "settle" the brains for learning. MD used to lead the area with earlier start dates and it will reflect in these test scores- so it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/larry-hogans-school-schedule-intervention-gets-a-fix--but-not-enough-of-one/2018/03/31/5f686fa8-343e-11e8-94fa-32d48460b955_story.html?utm_term=.82c1c9292b7f

The other thing is that though I understand the novelty of this schedule, this is not going to increase "ocean city" vacation time. What it will do is increase the number of days teachers will take off as being sick will substitute for "planning days" and will increase the number of weeks kids go to summer camps.

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I live in VA. We're seeing schools go over the King's Dominion ruling here by having more "snow days" and building extreme weather a lot more into the schedule. I think next year Stafford County is starting school on August 12 and ending BEFORE JUNE 1st. I see parents looking into booking earlier vacations in June and finding it easier to deal with camps/child care because they don't have to find child care in the last few weeks of August, which can be hard because college students return to their campuses. So the Hogan calendar thing is not just a testing issue for families in MD: it will effect their ability to travel and care for their kids. If you have to find extra money for summer camp/care, you won't be able to pay for that OC beach vacation.

Moreover, without Spring Break, OCs spring business will plummet. Spring Break in OC is big business, but for us VA people, we go farther south to avoid MD crowds. I don't think that will change for VA crowds, but without MD crows, it will be devastating for their economy.

Since the Ocean City businesses were ecstatic about the calendar change, I think you are wrong. Ocean City isn’t a spring break destination to begin with.

Perhaps unintended, but the new calendar helps counties like Baltimore County which were regularly losing school days early in the year due to no air conditioning.

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Hogan has not made Maryland great again. Our schools are on the decline, and he spends his time on pet projects like rural roads that enrich his voter base.

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Anonymous wrote:Regardless of summer brain drain, the one thing that is true is that national test dates remain the same- so AP and SAT scores will decrease because there will be fewer days to prep and fewer breaks to "settle" the brains for learning. MD used to lead the area with earlier start dates and it will reflect in these test scores- so it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/larry-hogans-school-schedule-intervention-gets-a-fix--but-not-enough-of-one/2018/03/31/5f686fa8-343e-11e8-94fa-32d48460b955_story.html?utm_term=.82c1c9292b7f

The other thing is that though I understand the novelty of this schedule, this is not going to increase "ocean city" vacation time. What it will do is increase the number of days teachers will take off as being sick will substitute for "planning days" and will increase the number of weeks kids go to summer camps.

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I live in VA. We're seeing schools go over the King's Dominion ruling here by having more "snow days" and building extreme weather a lot more into the schedule. I think next year Stafford County is starting school on August 12 and ending BEFORE JUNE 1st. I see parents looking into booking earlier vacations in June and finding it easier to deal with camps/child care because they don't have to find child care in the last few weeks of August, which can be hard because college students return to their campuses. So the Hogan calendar thing is not just a testing issue for families in MD: it will effect their ability to travel and care for their kids. If you have to find extra money for summer camp/care, you won't be able to pay for that OC beach vacation.

Moreover, without Spring Break, OCs spring business will plummet. Spring Break in OC is big business, but for us VA people, we go farther south to avoid MD crowds. I don't think that will change for VA crowds, but without MD crows, it will be devastating for their economy.

Since the Ocean City businesses were ecstatic about the calendar change, I think you are wrong. Ocean City isn’t a spring break destination to begin with.

Perhaps unintended, but the new calendar helps counties like Baltimore County which were regularly losing school days early in the year due to no air conditioning.

They could have set their schedule to accommodate that issue themselves.

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My concerm is that Jealous is proposing universal preschool and free higher education when the state is having issues funding K-12, especially in light of the fact that many school facilities are reaching obsolescence and need to be replaced.

There’s only so much money to play with, especially given how high our state taxes are relative to other states.

Jealous can’t do it unilaterally. He needs the general assembly.

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My concerm is that Jealous is proposing universal preschool and free higher education when the state is having issues funding K-12, especially in light of the fact that many school facilities are reaching obsolescence and need to be replaced.

There’s only so much money to play with, especially given how high our state taxes are relative to other states.

Jealous can’t do it unilaterally. He needs the general assembly.

But an overwhelmingly Democratic assembly is going to generally go along with the priorities of a Democratic governor. I wouldn't expect them to be much of a check.

Plus, even if you think Jealous won't be able to implement all the things he wants, if you think his preferred policies would be bad for the state, why would you choose him because you don't think he will actually be able to implement them? Wouldn't you be better off simply voting for someone whose views more closely align with yours.

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My concerm is that Jealous is proposing universal preschool and free higher education when the state is having issues funding K-12, especially in light of the fact that many school facilities are reaching obsolescence and need to be replaced.

There’s only so much money to play with, especially given how high our state taxes are relative to other states.

Jealous can’t do it unilaterally. He needs the general assembly.

When your argument is that your candidate will be constrained by his same party legislature, you are losing the argument. I’d rather vote for Hogan, at least I know what m getting.

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Hogan has not made Maryland great again. He is just another trumptard.

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My concerm is that Jealous is proposing universal preschool and free higher education when the state is having issues funding K-12, especially in light of the fact that many school facilities are reaching obsolescence and need to be replaced.

There’s only so much money to play with, especially given how high our state taxes are relative to other states.

Jealous can’t do it unilaterally. He needs the general assembly.

Don't debate these people, just shame them.

"high taxes" fears = racist right wing talking-points.


That's how they're told in their marching orders to frame the argument - say it's about taxes and fiscal policy. That hides their racism against a POC running for governor.

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My concerm is that Jealous is proposing universal preschool and free higher education when the state is having issues funding K-12, especially in light of the fact that many school facilities are reaching obsolescence and need to be replaced.

There’s only so much money to play with, especially given how high our state taxes are relative to other states.

Jealous can’t do it unilaterally. He needs the general assembly.

Don't debate these people, just shame them.

"high taxes" fears = racist right wing talking-points.


That's how they're told in their marching orders to frame the argument - say it's about taxes and fiscal policy. That hides their racism against a POC running for governor.

Oh, come on. Are you suggesting that anyone who professes concerns about a candidate who has indicated that he will withhold significant educational funding form MoCo, and has proposed several very, very expensive plans for pre-k and higher education, is really throwing up a facade - the real concern is that said candidate is a POC?

It's preposterous assertions like this that make rational discussion impossible. This is the liberal flip side of Infowars.

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MD schools have slid in rankings every year since Hogan became Governor. He needs to be asked about this in EVERY interview and debate. What's he doing to stem the slide? And why did the slide start with his election?

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Anonymous wrote:Hogan = trump. Period. End of thread.

If you vote for Hogan, you are supporting trump and everything he stands for. That makes you a racist trumptard.

This is just dumb for many reasons, to the point that I am not even sure it is a serious post.

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Anonymous wrote:He's the only Republican I voted for in the last election where he was on the ballot. MD was getting out of control with taxing and spending. He has pushed forward on getting a rein in on that, and also furthering transpotation priorities and slowly making MD pro-business.

I don't see MD becoming more pro-business. He didn't lift a finger when Discovery left Silver Spring. The only people I see him trying to help is his voter base in Ocean City, with his ridiculous Labor Day to June 15 policy which means that Maryland schools don't have a spring break week this year.

That's the school's fault partially. They can just move their days off for teacher service days if they want to keep those breaks. The benefit of starting school after Labor Day is it's a big benefit to Ocean City and the MD taxpayer (tax revenue), for no additional taxpayer cost.

Sure big benefit to ocean city with no additional cost if you don’t count the learning outcomes for our children. I am not voting for Hogan either. He has been bad on education issues.

1 week later start is going to have a drastic effect on learning outcomes?

It's not one week - Montgomery County as planning to have the school year start earlier than it had in previous years, so it's a net difference of 2-3 weeks. And yes, the longer the break, the greater effect on outcomes.

Regardless, I am almost as annoyed at the mandatory holidays on Easter Monday (seriously?) and Election Day (surely there are other facilities besides schools that can accommodate elections). Not to mention the Board or educations refusal to explore any options so Bethesda, etc. don't have to take a day off when there's ice in Poolesville.

At the end of the day, though, I think Jealous could potentially be far worse for Montgomery County education than mandatory post-Labor day starts.

Precisely. Jealous's plan would significantly reduce education funding to MoCo and send it to other parts of the state. Losing that education funds would have a much more drastic effect on MoCo's school than a shift in the schedule by a week or two.

If you are voting based on who would be best for education in MoCo, I think the choice is clearly Hogan.

Jealous' support of the Kirwin commission is not getting nearly enough attention. It could absolutely crush state funding in Montgomery and Howard county- with a mandate that those funds be made up at the local level. Rushern Baker was against it- Ike Leggett has not supported Jealous in large part because of this. It is a major deal.

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Anonymous wrote:MD schools have slid in rankings every year since Hogan became Governor. He needs to be asked about this in EVERY interview and debate. What's he doing to stem the slide? And why did the slide start with his election?

That's a great question for the MoCo Board of Education candidates. Other than the school calendar thing, the state doesn't have that much control over curriculum -- the county does. MCPS (MoCo) implemented their disastrous Curriculum 2.0, that's been a massive failure, and they haven't even figured out a way to dig out of the hole:
https://bethesdamagazine.com/Bethesda-Beat/2018/MCPS-Pauses-Search-for-New-Curriculum-After-Learning-Staff-Members-Are-Taking-Jobs-with-Vendor/

You can point to education funding, but a lot of that comes from the county budget, and more spending per student doesn't necessarily mean better outcomes. DCPS spends more per student than MCPS, with worse outcomes (yes, I realize this is a complex issue.. point is that just throwing money at the problem doesn't necessarily make it better).

I vote heavily Dem but I voted for Hogan because he has common sense approaches that are fiscally responsible. The Labor Day school year thing was great in that it improved tax revenues (more spending in Ocean City) while not really costing anything to implement. Yes, people can complain that one additional week of vacation causes kids to forget more, but I dont' think it's a huge difference if they're gone for 9 weeks or 10 weeks. Concerned parents can always sit with their kids and study during summer break if it's a big issue.

Same with his transporation priorities. Under Hogan, he's green-lighted the Purple Line which we desperately need -- there's no other easy public transit connection between Bethesda and Silver Spring, which are some of the largest jurisdictions in MoCo, and we can't just add more roads, because it's too built-up and no space beside East-West Highway.

Then for places where we _do_ need the roads, he's moving forward on it, like plans to add toll lanes to 270 and 495 -- just like they have in VA. He's also lowered tolls across the board in MD, and dropped the stupid monthly "maintenance fee" to have an EZPass (VA doesn't have one, why does MD need one?) even if you don't use it.

He'll be getting my vote again. Jealous has interesting ideas but no way to pay for them. We already face some of the highest taxes in the nation, particularly in MoCo where we're at the charter limit. We need to work better with the money we have, not be forced to raise taxes further.

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Anonymous wrote:He's the only Republican I voted for in the last election where he was on the ballot. MD was getting out of control with taxing and spending. He has pushed forward on getting a rein in on that, and also furthering transpotation priorities and slowly making MD pro-business.

I don't see MD becoming more pro-business. He didn't lift a finger when Discovery left Silver Spring. The only people I see him trying to help is his voter base in Ocean City, with his ridiculous Labor Day to June 15 policy which means that Maryland schools don't have a spring break week this year.

That's the school's fault partially. They can just move their days off for teacher service days if they want to keep those breaks. The benefit of starting school after Labor Day is it's a big benefit to Ocean City and the MD taxpayer (tax revenue), for no additional taxpayer cost.

Sure big benefit to ocean city with no additional cost if you don’t count the learning outcomes for our children. I am not voting for Hogan either. He has been bad on education issues.

I'm still waiting for the study that says summer learning loss is fine for 9 weeks, but that 10th week is the killer.
Or fine for 10 weeks, but that 11th week is the killer.

Since it sounds like you have that information, please share it.

Summer slide, i.e. the loss in learning due to lengthy periods of time out of school is widely documented. Here's an article from Brookings. Google lists 529,000,000 other hits for summer slide, so you can education yourself. I'm still waiting for the evidence that having an extra week of having Maryland school children stay out of school is a big economic boon to Ocean City. Do you have that data?

Yes. Which week does the slide start? I bet it’s 2 or 3 not 9 or 10.

Where do you see studies stating that? The Brookings study cited above notes that summer slide increases with the number of weeks away from the classroom. To say you refuse to believe anything unless there’s a specific trial testing the increase from 10 to 11 weeks seems like willfull blindness. So where’s that data on the Ocean City boom and how do you rationalize prioritizing the economic well being of a tiny group of Republican voters over educational outcomes?

Yes, it increases, so after 3 weeks the loss is greater than 2. After 5 weeks, greater than 4. And so on.

But nothing that says 9 or 10 weeks is reasonable, but the 10th or 11th week accelerates into unacceptability.

You're not arguing for year round schooling, which would eliminate summer learning loss. You're arguing that N weeks is fine, but N+1 weeks is not. You need to demonstrate that something happens in that additional week that makes it unacceptable.

So now you want to argue for year round schooling instead of going back to the pre-Hogan schedule? Are you trying to deflect from the fact that you haven't found data on the Ocean City boom?

Nope, still waiting for you to provide evidence that that one additional week is significantly worse than the weeks leading up to it.

Studies showing learning loss exist do not provide evidence that N weeks is fine, but N+1 is the breaking point. Apparently, you have such a study. Please provide it.

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Anonymous wrote:He's the only Republican I voted for in the last election where he was on the ballot. MD was getting out of control with taxing and spending. He has pushed forward on getting a rein in on that, and also furthering transpotation priorities and slowly making MD pro-business.

I don't see MD becoming more pro-business. He didn't lift a finger when Discovery left Silver Spring. The only people I see him trying to help is his voter base in Ocean City, with his ridiculous Labor Day to June 15 policy which means that Maryland schools don't have a spring break week this year.

That's the school's fault partially. They can just move their days off for teacher service days if they want to keep those breaks. The benefit of starting school after Labor Day is it's a big benefit to Ocean City and the MD taxpayer (tax revenue), for no additional taxpayer cost.

Sure big benefit to ocean city with no additional cost if you don’t count the learning outcomes for our children. I am not voting for Hogan either. He has been bad on education issues.

1 week later start is going to have a drastic effect on learning outcomes?

It's not one week - Montgomery County as planning to have the school year start earlier than it had in previous years, so it's a net difference of 2-3 weeks. And yes, the longer the break, the greater effect on outcomes.

Regardless, I am almost as annoyed at the mandatory holidays on Easter Monday (seriously?) and Election Day (surely there are other facilities besides schools that can accommodate elections). Not to mention the Board or educations refusal to explore any options so Bethesda, etc. don't have to take a day off when there's ice in Poolesville.

At the end of the day, though, I think Jealous could potentially be far worse for Montgomery County education than mandatory post-Labor day starts.

Precisely. Jealous's plan would significantly reduce education funding to MoCo and send it to other parts of the state. Losing that education funds would have a much more drastic effect on MoCo's school than a shift in the schedule by a week or two.

If you are voting based on who would be best for education in MoCo, I think the choice is clearly Hogan.

Hogan has regularly withheld education funds that would compensate for higher staffing costs in MoCo that were present in Martin O'Malley's days. But if you want to vote for Jealous because you think he might do the same, you're ignoring Hogan's past actions as Governor.
http://bethesdamagazine.com/Bethesda-Beat/2015/Montgomery-County-Education-Leaders-Urge-Hogan-To-Release-Funding/

You need a different link.
"regularly" != once in 2015.
"withheld" != said he might in order to keep a budget, but nothing had been decided yet.