An interesting article about MCPS student population

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Is it a numerical drop or a proportional drop?

According to the chart in the OP link, it is a numerical drop. According to the chart, the number of White, Non-Hispanic students enrolled dropped from 68,849 in 2000 to 46,604 in 2016.

Interesting! I'll bet some of it is white families staying in DC since the big drop comes right around the time DC implemented free preK and expanded the charter effort. Some of it is probably fewer kids identifying as only white, and some of it is just demographic shifts nationwide. Interestingly, the number of Black kids isn't rising quickly, nor the number of Asian kids. The only group with real growth is Hispanics, which is almost certainly related to turmoil in Central and South America over the past decade.

More white families going private / parochial, staying in DC, or moving to Howard.

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Anonymous wrote:My guess is that a lot of white families had kids in MCPS and those kids graduated. And the majority of new arrivals to the county have not been white. Therefore white numbers went down and others went up.

I see this in my own neighborhood. Most of my white neighbors are older couples - emptynesters. Every time one of them moves out - a non-white family moves in.

Where do you live?

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Anonymous wrote:Who is this person who keeps claiming white flight is going to Howard County. I've lived in DC on and off for 15 years, in the city and in the suburbs, and have never even met anyone who lives in Howard County let alone someone willing to do that commute. A handful of colleagues live in Anne Arundel County for specific school options, but this idea that a large number of Montgomery County residents will flee that far is unlikely.

I agree. I live in ch ch md and am pretty happy with the public schools. The idea that we or any of our neighbors would "flee" to Howard County is ludicrous. Close to zero crime, great public transport links to DC, good stores and amenities....love it here.

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Anonymous wrote:Very interesting

Yes the question is where are the young whites going in the area

Personally I think its a combo of

less marriage/kids overall, going to private, white flight to Howard

The hispanic population has nearly doubled in less than 15 years.

Something has to give here. The tax base is shrinking and costs are increasing its not sustainable

+1

There is no way this county can support the kind of development/growth that has been occurring. Something will have to give. Police forces, schools all need funding and when that goes down, the standard of living goes down.

they need some way to curtail the development. I see new housing being built all over the place. Just look at crown farm. We don't have the infrastructure to deal with this. The schools certainly can't handle more kids.

Write - and get your neighbors to write the Council. They need to hear from us. My neighborhood has organized with others and we're going to as many meetings as we can. Invite them to your neighborhood. Tell them what you think.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Very interesting

Yes the question is where are the young whites going in the area

Personally I think its a combo of

less marriage/kids overall, going to private, white flight to Howard

The hispanic population has nearly doubled in less than 15 years.

Something has to give here. The tax base is shrinking and costs are increasing its not sustainable

+1

There is no way this county can support the kind of development/growth that has been occurring. Something will have to give. Police forces, schools all need funding and when that goes down, the standard of living goes down.

they need some way to curtail the development. I see new housing being built all over the place. Just look at crown farm. We don't have the infrastructure to deal with this. The schools certainly can't handle more kids.

The solutions is pretty obvious: we need a ton of charter schools. Maybe we can for once learn something from DC

Absolutely! But that won't solve traffic problems.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is this person who keeps claiming white flight is going to Howard County. I've lived in DC on and off for 15 years, in the city and in the suburbs, and have never even met anyone who lives in Howard County let alone someone willing to do that commute. A handful of colleagues live in Anne Arundel County for specific school options, but this idea that a large number of Montgomery County residents will flee that far is unlikely.

It's happening. For those of us who live in east county it's another 10 minutes to Howard county. Plus, many of us already work in columbia, baltimore, silver spring so not a big impact on commute. I know of 6 families who left our elementary school this year to avoid going to the middle school out here. We will be moving too in a couple of years. Not happy to see the direction Montgomery County is headed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Very interesting

Yes the question is where are the young whites going in the area

Personally I think its a combo of

less marriage/kids overall, going to private, white flight to Howard

The hispanic population has nearly doubled in less than 15 years.

Something has to give here. The tax base is shrinking and costs are increasing its not sustainable

+1

There is no way this county can support the kind of development/growth that has been occurring. Something will have to give. Police forces, schools all need funding and when that goes down, the standard of living goes down.

they need some way to curtail the development. I see new housing being built all over the place. Just look at crown farm. We don't have the infrastructure to deal with this. The schools certainly can't handle more kids.

The development recently seems OUT OF CONTROL. There is high density housing going up all over the county. Where is the plan for corresponding schools/roads, etc. The housing goes up so quickly and people move in, but I haven't seen them building more schools at the same time. The City of Rockville had a video out recently about projected population growth. I can't remember the numbers, but it is going to be an HUGE increase.

There's development in the Shady Grove area, in Olney, in Rockville, all over. I drive around the county a good deal and see condos/townhouses going up everywhere.

They will wait until every school is like Ashburton before they build more. Seriously, we were told as much.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder why so many people who immigrate to the US come to Montgomery County. Not to knock MoCo, but I can think of so many other places in this country that are more affordable, have less crime, and would be easier to transition to. Maybe there are more resources for the Hispanic community; I don't know... But MoCo is pricey and not an easy place to move to.

I guess you haven't heard of the corrupt Casa De Maryland? That is why illegal immigration is #2 in Montgomery County, MD right after Los Angeles County, CA.

Yep and our schools will be like LA's too if this Council doesn't wake up. The only thing they are afraid of is angry voters and term limits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Very interesting

Yes the question is where are the young whites going in the area

Personally I think its a combo of

less marriage/kids overall, going to private, white flight to Howard

The hispanic population has nearly doubled in less than 15 years.

Something has to give here. The tax base is shrinking and costs are increasing its not sustainable

+1

There is no way this county can support the kind of development/growth that has been occurring. Something will have to give. Police forces, schools all need funding and when that goes down, the standard of living goes down.

they need some way to curtail the development. I see new housing being built all over the place. Just look at crown farm. We don't have the infrastructure to deal with this. The schools certainly can't handle more kids.

The development recently seems OUT OF CONTROL. There is high density housing going up all over the county. Where is the plan for corresponding schools/roads, etc. The housing goes up so quickly and people move in, but I haven't seen them building more schools at the same time. The City of Rockville had a video out recently about projected population growth. I can't remember the numbers, but it is going to be an HUGE increase.

There's development in the Shady Grove area, in Olney, in Rockville, all over. I drive around the county a good deal and see condos/townhouses going up everywhere.

I agree that it's out of control. Who approves all of this development?

The Planning Board, which is so corrupt. Ultimately the Council. Write and call them!

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Anonymous wrote:Who is this person who keeps claiming white flight is going to Howard County. I've lived in DC on and off for 15 years, in the city and in the suburbs, and have never even met anyone who lives in Howard County let alone someone willing to do that commute. A handful of colleagues live in Anne Arundel County for specific school options, but this idea that a large number of Montgomery County residents will flee that far is unlikely.

FWIW, we know of several families that moved to Howard County. Many government agencies are moving toward a better telework policy, which means government workers won't all need to live close-in. I work in Anne Arundel County and often meet people who commute to DC from there also.

From where?

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Anonymous wrote:Who is this person who keeps claiming white flight is going to Howard County. I've lived in DC on and off for 15 years, in the city and in the suburbs, and have never even met anyone who lives in Howard County let alone someone willing to do that commute. A handful of colleagues live in Anne Arundel County for specific school options, but this idea that a large number of Montgomery County residents will flee that far is unlikely.

I agree. I live in ch ch md and am pretty happy with the public schools. The idea that we or any of our neighbors would "flee" to Howard County is ludicrous. Close to zero crime, great public transport links to DC, good stores and amenities....love it here.

You do realize that Chevy chase is not the only city in MC? And of coirse you are satisfied with your schools. Everyone probably speaks English and for those who are not white, their SES is probably quite high so they don't have any barriers to learning the low SES students have. I am pretty sure most of the kids don't have behavioral issues. So, for the rest of us, Howard County is a fantastic option. Not all of us want to live near DC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Very interesting

Yes the question is where are the young whites going in the area

Personally I think its a combo of

less marriage/kids overall, going to private, white flight to Howard

The hispanic population has nearly doubled in less than 15 years.

Something has to give here. The tax base is shrinking and costs are increasing its not sustainable

+1

There is no way this county can support the kind of development/growth that has been occurring. Something will have to give. Police forces, schools all need funding and when that goes down, the standard of living goes down.

Welcome to the third world.

Standard of living HAS gone down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Very interesting

Yes the question is where are the young whites going in the area

Personally I think its a combo of

less marriage/kids overall, going to private, white flight to Howard

The hispanic population has nearly doubled in less than 15 years.

Something has to give here. The tax base is shrinking and costs are increasing its not sustainable

+1

There is no way this county can support the kind of development/growth that has been occurring. Something will have to give. Police forces, schools all need funding and when that goes down, the standard of living goes down.

Welcome to the third world.

Or PG County

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Oh my goodness, you guys DO realize how racist you sound, right? "Hispanics are coming, there goes the neighborhood!" I hate to break it to you, but in the youngest generation, white people are a minority of the population. This means that most urban areas will become mostly non-white. But don't worry! White people don't have the market cornered on moral values or ambition. Also, FARMs kids are not all losers and dregs. In fact, I am a former white FARMs kid and I grew up and now have a HHI that is more than 20x what I grew up with. Things will change, and your white skin won't save you from hard work and adaptation.

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I know two families who recently moved to Howard County. One is Black the other Latino. Now what?