Same sex marriage education at pk/k at gds

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"I've always loved this line. As if this is how we should base moral decisions. I'm sure in 1938 Germany, people were telling non-Nazis that they were "on the wrong side of history" as well.

"But since you brought up a more serious question....

"My first response is to do or say nothing. When DD was 4, she really didn't even notice this difference about one of her friends/ classmates. She played at the child's house and "Miss X" or "Miss Y" were always around but frankly, I don't think she caught the difference between most other houses where, say, a mom and nanny were also home all the time. She's a little older now and the friendship with that particular child has faded somewhat because of a move, so we're really not in as much contact. With my older kids, it has only come up briefly. I have said – briefly, without a lot of fanfare -- that yes, there are families that are constructed in this way (two moms/ two dads) and that I personally do not approve of it, but that the people are lovely and should be treated as such. So far, that's been the extent of it.

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PLEASE tell me that you didn't intentionally just equate equality for two-mom and two-dad families with Nazism in 1938 Germany. Please tell me that was a mistake.

Please tell me that you aren't so desperate/ determined to find an offense under every rock you see that you read it that way. Please tell me you don't live your life that way.

How about this...I will send when you wrote to my grandmother (who survived the camps) - we will let her see if she thinks it offensive what you said. You can post your phone number and I will have her call you.

If you don't think what you said was offensive, you can talk directly to a survivor...and tell her so.

Please stop harassing that poster. My uncle didn't make it out alive, and not all of us are in bed with your being offended. Sorry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

"I've always loved this line. As if this is how we should base moral decisions. I'm sure in 1938 Germany, people were telling non-Nazis that they were "on the wrong side of history" as well.

"But since you brought up a more serious question....

"My first response is to do or say nothing. When DD was 4, she really didn't even notice this difference about one of her friends/ classmates. She played at the child's house and "Miss X" or "Miss Y" were always around but frankly, I don't think she caught the difference between most other houses where, say, a mom and nanny were also home all the time. She's a little older now and the friendship with that particular child has faded somewhat because of a move, so we're really not in as much contact. With my older kids, it has only come up briefly. I have said – briefly, without a lot of fanfare -- that yes, there are families that are constructed in this way (two moms/ two dads) and that I personally do not approve of it, but that the people are lovely and should be treated as such. So far, that's been the extent of it.

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PLEASE tell me that you didn't intentionally just equate equality for two-mom and two-dad families with Nazism in 1938 Germany. Please tell me that was a mistake.

Please tell me that you aren't so desperate/ determined to find an offense under every rock you see that you read it that way. Please tell me you don't live your life that way.

I don't even know where to start, this isn't the regular - "you just got offended" type thing. Please tell me you aren't so obtuse as to realize what just happened here. Where are you from? Did you even study history?

I hope you are a child that is playing on a computer and not an adult.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

"I've always loved this line. As if this is how we should base moral decisions. I'm sure in 1938 Germany, people were telling non-Nazis that they were "on the wrong side of history" as well.

"But since you brought up a more serious question....

"My first response is to do or say nothing. When DD was 4, she really didn't even notice this difference about one of her friends/ classmates. She played at the child's house and "Miss X" or "Miss Y" were always around but frankly, I don't think she caught the difference between most other houses where, say, a mom and nanny were also home all the time. She's a little older now and the friendship with that particular child has faded somewhat because of a move, so we're really not in as much contact. With my older kids, it has only come up briefly. I have said – briefly, without a lot of fanfare -- that yes, there are families that are constructed in this way (two moms/ two dads) and that I personally do not approve of it, but that the people are lovely and should be treated as such. So far, that's been the extent of it.

"



PLEASE tell me that you didn't intentionally just equate equality for two-mom and two-dad families with Nazism in 1938 Germany. Please tell me that was a mistake.

Please tell me that you aren't so desperate/ determined to find an offense under every rock you see that you read it that way. Please tell me you don't live your life that way.

How about this...I will send when you wrote to my grandmother (who survived the camps) - we will let her see if she thinks it offensive what you said. You can post your phone number and I will have her call you.

If you don't think what you said was offensive, you can talk directly to a survivor...and tell her so.

Please stop harassing that poster. My uncle didn't make it out alive, and not all of us are in bed with your being offended. Sorry.

For comparing marriage equality to death camps. Are you serious?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:my dd is in k at gds. today she asked me whether she should marry a man or a woman. She said her classmate has two dads so she thinks she can also marry a woman. I am not against same sex marriage, but gds taught prek/k about same sex marriage. Do you think it is too much or am I overreacted?

I don't even understanding what you are asking.

The fact that you even think this is a question shows you are outdated in your thinking. You may want to think more like your child.

Children want and need to understand how the normal world works.

You may want to think past your nose.

So, the normal world has famlies with a mommy and daddy; and families with 2 mommies; and famlies with two daddies; and families with just one mom; and famlies with just one dad; and famlies with grandma.

This is normal to kids, until you tell them it's NOT normal.

While it's true that young children don't normally suffer the death of a parent, it certainly can happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:my dd is in k at gds. today she asked me whether she should marry a man or a woman. She said her classmate has two dads so she thinks she can also marry a woman. I am not against same sex marriage, but gds taught prek/k about same sex marriage. Do you think it is too much or am I overreacted?

I don't even understanding what you are asking.

The fact that you even think this is a question shows you are outdated in your thinking. You may want to think more like your child.

Children want and need to understand how the normal world works.

You may want to think past your nose.

So, the normal world has famlies with a mommy and daddy; and families with 2 mommies; and famlies with two daddies; and families with just one mom; and famlies with just one dad; and famlies with grandma.

This is normal to kids, until you tell them it's NOT normal.

+1,000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:my dd is in k at gds. today she asked me whether she should marry a man or a woman. She said her classmate has two dads so she thinks she can also marry a woman. I am not against same sex marriage, but gds taught prek/k about same sex marriage. Do you think it is too much or am I overreacted?

I don't even understanding what you are asking.

The fact that you even think this is a question shows you are outdated in your thinking. You may want to think more like your child.

Children want and need to understand how the normal world works.

You may want to think past your nose.

So, the normal world has famlies with a mommy and daddy; and families with 2 mommies; and famlies with two daddies; and families with just one mom; and famlies with just one dad; and famlies with grandma.

This is normal to kids, until you tell them it's NOT normal.

+1,000

But it's not normal. Sorry. You wishing it so doesn't make it so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:my dd is in k at gds. today she asked me whether she should marry a man or a woman. She said her classmate has two dads so she thinks she can also marry a woman. I am not against same sex marriage, but gds taught prek/k about same sex marriage. Do you think it is too much or am I overreacted?

I don't even understanding what you are asking.

The fact that you even think this is a question shows you are outdated in your thinking. You may want to think more like your child.

Children want and need to understand how the normal world works.

You may want to think past your nose.

So, the normal world has famlies with a mommy and daddy; and families with 2 mommies; and famlies with two daddies; and families with just one mom; and famlies with just one dad; and famlies with grandma.

This is normal to kids, until you tell them it's NOT normal.

+1,000

But it's not normal. Sorry. You wishing it so doesn't make it so.

It is normal for people other than you. Your version of what should be doesn't dictate how people live. Are you supporting the bathroom laws too? You sound like a tool.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:One of two moms here, with kids in PK. I can't exactly teach my kids to pretend one of their parents don't exist, so their friends know they have two moms. GDS may have had nothing to do with it. And FWIW, I assure you that no one decided a sexual orientation based on those of their friends' parents. You have a 97% chance that she'll marry a boy, so I wouldn't worry too much.

Best to your family.

What is important more than anything is that they are loved. Who cares if it's 2 moms or 2 dads? Who cares if they're divorced and a single mother or father?
You'll find same sex couples everywhere - Potomac, Sidwell etc. It's not GDS, it's reality and there's absolutely nothing wrong.

Actually, some of us think there is.

And you are on the wrong side of history. But seriously, if your young (ages 4-6) child had a friend with 2 moms or 2 dads and had a question about it, how would you respond?

I've always loved this line. As if this is how we should base moral decisions. I'm sure in 1938 Germany, people were telling non-Nazis that they were "on the wrong side of history" as well.

But since you brought up a more serious question....

My first response is to do or say nothing. When DD was 4, she really didn't even notice this difference about one of her friends/ classmates. She played at the child's house and "Miss X" or "Miss Y" were always around but frankly, I don't think she caught the difference between most other houses where, say, a mom and nanny were also home all the time. She's a little older now and the friendship with that particular child has faded somewhat because of a move, so we're really not in as much contact. With my older kids, it has only come up briefly. I have said – briefly, without a lot of fanfare -- that yes, there are families that are constructed in this way (two moms/ two dads) and that I personally do not approve of it, but that the people are lovely and should be treated as such. So far, that's been the extent of it.

While I do not agree with your position against same sex couples and marriages, I do respect your opinion and think others should as well. I fear if we don't start respecting each others opinions on social issues that we will only see more of a divided nation.

Thank you. I appreciate that and of course I respect your opinion as well. Sadly, though, I'm afraid that this attitude is in the minority, as witnessed simply by the postings here. Clearly, there are people who love to take personal offense at everything that in any way varies from their personal thought on any subject. I truly wonder how these people get through the day.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:my dd is in k at gds. today she asked me whether she should marry a man or a woman. She said her classmate has two dads so she thinks she can also marry a woman. I am not against same sex marriage, but gds taught prek/k about same sex marriage. Do you think it is too much or am I overreacted?

I don't even understanding what you are asking.

The fact that you even think this is a question shows you are outdated in your thinking. You may want to think more like your child.

Children want and need to understand how the normal world works.

You may want to think past your nose.

So, the normal world has famlies with a mommy and daddy; and families with 2 mommies; and famlies with two daddies; and families with just one mom; and famlies with just one dad; and famlies with grandma.

This is normal to kids, until you tell them it's NOT normal.

+1,000

But it's not normal. Sorry. You wishing it so doesn't make it so.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One of two moms here, with kids in PK. I can't exactly teach my kids to pretend one of their parents don't exist, so their friends know they have two moms. GDS may have had nothing to do with it. And FWIW, I assure you that no one decided a sexual orientation based on those of their friends' parents. You have a 97% chance that she'll marry a boy, so I wouldn't worry too much.

Best to your family.

What is important more than anything is that they are loved. Who cares if it's 2 moms or 2 dads? Who cares if they're divorced and a single mother or father?
You'll find same sex couples everywhere - Potomac, Sidwell etc. It's not GDS, it's reality and there's absolutely nothing wrong.

Actually, some of us think there is.

And you are on the wrong side of history. But seriously, if your young (ages 4-6) child had a friend with 2 moms or 2 dads and had a question about it, how would you respond?

I've always loved this line. As if this is how we should base moral decisions. I'm sure in 1938 Germany, people were telling non-Nazis that they were "on the wrong side of history" as well.

But since you brought up a more serious question....

My first response is to do or say nothing. When DD was 4, she really didn't even notice this difference about one of her friends/ classmates. She played at the child's house and "Miss X" or "Miss Y" were always around but frankly, I don't think she caught the difference between most other houses where, say, a mom and nanny were also home all the time. She's a little older now and the friendship with that particular child has faded somewhat because of a move, so we're really not in as much contact. With my older kids, it has only come up briefly. I have said – briefly, without a lot of fanfare -- that yes, there are families that are constructed in this way (two moms/ two dads) and that I personally do not approve of it, but that the people are lovely and should be treated as such. So far, that's been the extent of it.

While I do not agree with your position against same sex couples and marriages, I do respect your opinion and think others should as well. I fear if we don't start respecting each others opinions on social issues that we will only see more of a divided nation.

Thank you. I appreciate that and of course I respect your opinion as well. Sadly, though, I'm afraid that this attitude is in the minority, as witnessed simply by the postings here. Clearly, there are people who love to take personal offense at everything that in any way varies from their personal thought on any subject. I truly wonder how these people get through the day.

+1

I respect your opinion although it is very different than mine. However, I don't respect the efforts of the legislators that you probably support that are attempting to institutionalize legalized discrimination.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One of two moms here, with kids in PK. I can't exactly teach my kids to pretend one of their parents don't exist, so their friends know they have two moms. GDS may have had nothing to do with it. And FWIW, I assure you that no one decided a sexual orientation based on those of their friends' parents. You have a 97% chance that she'll marry a boy, so I wouldn't worry too much.

Best to your family.

+1,000,000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One of two moms here, with kids in PK. I can't exactly teach my kids to pretend one of their parents don't exist, so their friends know they have two moms. GDS may have had nothing to do with it. And FWIW, I assure you that no one decided a sexual orientation based on those of their friends' parents. You have a 97% chance that she'll marry a boy, so I wouldn't worry too much.

Best to your family.

This. I live next door to a family with two moms and two kids. My kids will grow up seeing them daily and already know that some women marry women and some men marry men. I don't have to do a thing to teach them this. I'm actually thankful my kids have such wonderful role models living next door, in case they over hear too much of the vitriol against gay marriage from other places. They will have a touchstone of how NORMAL their lives really are.

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So I love how the one mom here tells her child "we don't believe in that but treat them nice -they are lovely people."

How f'ing confusing is that to a child? How about you let your own child form their beliefs instead of pushing yours onto them. And if you don't believe in it, why be nice? Your non-belief won't make your child not be gay in the future? If they are, you basically told them you don't believe in their feelings. Just crazy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So I love how the one mom here tells her child "we don't believe in that but treat them nice -they are lovely people."

How f'ing confusing is that to a child? How about you let your own child form their beliefs instead of pushing yours onto them. And if you don't believe in it, why be nice? Your non-belief won't make your child not be gay in the future? If they are, you basically told them you don't believe in their feelings. Just crazy.

No. Some of us "crazies" are actually tolerant and compassionate but not accepting. Go ahead, bash me. I know you won't believe me and I know just how tolerant you really are.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You should have known that going in at GDS. You'd probably be more comfortable at one of the several other privates that teacher love and compassion for everyone without explicitly addressing issues like same sex marriage in PK/K. I voted for same sex marriage in MD when it was on the ballot, but I'm not sure this is an issue I want my school to address to specifically cover with my 5 y/o. I've pointed out that some kids have two mommies or two daddies, but prefer that that type of discussion is between our family, not the school.

First, OP hasn't said if the school addressed it or it came from the kid in the class with two dads (though it seems like the latter). And second, even if a school addresses it, there's almost no chance it would go further in the PK class than what you've just described: some kids have two moms or two dads. End of story.

The school talked very formerly about different families. I support same sex marriage, but I am not sure I would like my 6 years old in a school which emphasize this in the curriculum.

06:32 back with another perspective. Our kids’ school recently talked about family structures as well, including theirs, with their two moms. That was pretty much the extent of it. It may surprise you to learn that that’s as far as I want them to go in school right now as well. It goes without saying that any explicit discussion is inappropriate, and I don’t even want their school to discuss the history or gay rights or the battle for marriage equality or bathroom laws or whatever, certainly not in Pre-K.

Our kids know that most boys marry girls and that most girls marry boys (as evidenced by the mostly heterosexual couples in the world, our neighbors, their grandparents, aunts and uncles, etc); still, they know that sometimes, a boy marries a boy or a girl marries a girl.

Our kids do NOT know that that woman who was at my mom’s funeral recently was my sister, their aunt, with whom I haven’t spoken in more than 16 years because she thinks Jesus hates gay people.

My kids don’t know those young adults there were the nephews I used to adore and babysit and take to Chuck E Cheese before my sister decided I wasn’t allowed to see them anymore – and those boys are their cousins. They don't know that my voice used to catch in my throat when I told friends how much I missed my nephews, but that all these years later, they're strangers to me now, so I just wish them the best from afar. They don’t know the younger girl is also their cousin, but I’d never even seen or met her before my mom got terminally ill.

They don’t know they have another grandmother – my partner’s mom who is their biological grandmother – who doesn’t give a shit about them because, nearly 20 years after we got together, she still isn’t over it. Or that when we go to the city where she lives semi-regularly, my partner calls to see if we can stop by, and the answer is always no.

They don’t know that their moms have been together for nearly 20 years (since college) but only married a couple of years ago because it was not legal before.

They have no idea there are entire organizations that exist with the sole purpose of stopping us from getting married (now, apparently, just bitching about the fact that we are).

They will learn these things in due time, but they’re happy and healthy and thriving, and I see no reason to burden them with these facts now.
So let me assure you that I have more at stake about this sort of information than you do. And right now, talking about different family structures is entirely appropriate. After all, the kids see us at school functions, birthday parties, etc already. We simply can’t – and won’t – pretend like we don’t exist.