The DNC is a joke

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What? DWS is favoring Hillary?? A progressive organization being led by a sexist? Is that even possible? Does the matriarchy have no limits?

Wasserman Schultz is bigtime in the bag for Hillary.

Then the Sanders campaign would have been wise not to steal any of Clinton's data, I think. The fired staffer was just on MSNBC claiming they did it just to show it could be done. Right.

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Anonymous wrote:Bernie's not going to win, bro.

I dont think he will. Yes, I despise Clinton and I am not a Bernie fan boy. I would prefer he scare her a bit and the party is doing their best to prevent that. Thats what I find annoying.

I believe he would scare the hell out of her if there were more debates or debates during times people actually watch. Scare her in a few primaries and eventually get blown out is how I imagine it would play out.

Well Sanders just got busted for downloading her private voter data today, which I am sure scared her. So there is that.

Can you imagine outrage if the Clinton campaign had done this?

HRC is an old hand at this. She's smart enough to have it done by others without getting caught.

It's funny how you conservatives consider her to be so smart when it suits you. And so incompetent when it suits you.

No, this would be the liberal take on GW Bush WRT WMDs and conning the likes of Biden and HRC to vote yes on war with Iran, while also being a moron. Conservatives I know all agree Clinton is damn smart, dishonest and just downright evil.

No, I fully believe that morons can lie. And Cheney was no fool, either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Sanders campaign had reported breakdowns in the NGP VAN firewalls to the DNC before, knowing that their campaign data could be accessed just as easily (see http://www.mediaite.com/online/dnc-gets-involved-after-sanders-staffer-fired-for-accessing-clinton-voter-data/ ). Did Hillary's campaign ever report such problems, or did they just not notice, or ...?

"NGP VAN? We’ve all heard of that company before! Because that’s the company hosting the website for the South Dakota sacrificial lamb Democrat challenger to Congresswoman Kristi Noem, Paula Hawks. And through their generosity, we all knew she was running long before she was prepared to make an announcement..." (see http://dakotawarcollege.com/hawks-website-host-who-leaked-announcement-now-blamed-for-clintonsanders-data-breach/ for more).

"The DNC hires a group to manage their database and firewall between the campaigns. They screw up and [a] Sanders staffer sees and reports it. Nothing is saved or printed out and now the DNC is withholding crucial access to voter data until the Sanders campaign can prove it doesn’t have the data from the Clinton campaign and won’t release access to voter data unless somehow the Sanders campaign can prove a negative – that they have destroyed data they don’t have. Which is impossible.” (http://usuncut.com/politics/dnc-sabotages-bernie/ )

There are clearly serious problems with the vendor. It was known and demonstrated that ALL campaigns have access to everything when they shouldn't. Clinton's team had access to Sanders' data as did O'Malley's and vice versa in every instance. They should shut the software down until all of the issues are resolved. Selectively kicking Sanders out makes zero sense and is just deflecting blame away from the DNC's incompetence in getting these issues resolved.

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Anonymous wrote:Bernie's not going to win, bro.

I dont think he will. Yes, I despise Clinton and I am not a Bernie fan boy. I would prefer he scare her a bit and the party is doing their best to prevent that. Thats what I find annoying.

I believe he would scare the hell out of her if there were more debates or debates during times people actually watch. Scare her in a few primaries and eventually get blown out is how I imagine it would play out.

Well Sanders just got busted for downloading her private voter data today, which I am sure scared her. So there is that.

Can you imagine outrage if the Clinton campaign had done this?

HRC is an old hand at this. She's smart enough to have it done by others without getting caught.

It's funny how you conservatives consider her to be so smart when it suits you. And so incompetent when it suits you.

No, this would be the liberal take on GW Bush WRT WMDs and conning the likes of Biden and HRC to vote yes on war with Iran, while also being a moron. Conservatives I know all agree Clinton is damn smart, dishonest and just downright evil.

No, I fully believe that morons can lie. And Cheney was no fool, either.

Ahh. Cheney is a great analogy to Hillary. Evil genius, no charisma.

[Anonymous]

In my view, the headline should read "DNC can't protect candidates data." Of course, I have so many questions and thoughts -

1. What is the big deal anyway? The party should let all democratic candidates have access to all potential voter information. More open information will only serve the party to get the best candidate. Is it so bad that Berne and Hilary send an emails to each's others lists and supporters. i don't get it.

2. If this is a problem, why is the DNC even putting candidates at risk for headlines like this?

3. Bernie's campaign is pushing back aggressively. This makes me think there is more to the story. If this turns out to be some internal feud where the establishment folks are trying to make Bernie look bad, then I think this will backfire for the establishment folks and HRC.

4. The main argument I keep hearing against Bernie is that he can't win. That is not all that convincing to me. I even see polls where he would beat every Republican candidate. Many of us support Bernie/Warren types over Wall St candidates because we want change. Change is not going to come by just supporting the status quo. Someone has to take a risk. The world gets warmer, Wall St. get's richer, terrorists get bolder and the current policies keep on chugging...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Sanders campaign had reported breakdowns in the NGP VAN firewalls to the DNC before, knowing that their campaign data could be accessed just as easily (see http://www.mediaite.com/online/dnc-gets-involved-after-sanders-staffer-fired-for-accessing-clinton-voter-data/ ). Did Hillary's campaign ever report such problems, or did they just not notice, or ...?

"NGP VAN? We’ve all heard of that company before! Because that’s the company hosting the website for the South Dakota sacrificial lamb Democrat challenger to Congresswoman Kristi Noem, Paula Hawks. And through their generosity, we all knew she was running long before she was prepared to make an announcement..." (see http://dakotawarcollege.com/hawks-website-host-who-leaked-announcement-now-blamed-for-clintonsanders-data-breach/ for more).

"The DNC hires a group to manage their database and firewall between the campaigns. They screw up and [a] Sanders staffer sees and reports it. Nothing is saved or printed out and now the DNC is withholding crucial access to voter data until the Sanders campaign can prove it doesn’t have the data from the Clinton campaign and won’t release access to voter data unless somehow the Sanders campaign can prove a negative – that they have destroyed data they don’t have. Which is impossible.” (http://usuncut.com/politics/dnc-sabotages-bernie/ )

There are clearly serious problems with the vendor. It was known and demonstrated that ALL campaigns have access to everything when they shouldn't. Clinton's team had access to Sanders' data as did O'Malley's and vice versa in every instance. They should shut the software down until all of the issues are resolved. Selectively kicking Sanders out makes zero sense and is just deflecting blame away from the DNC's incompetence in getting these issues resolved.

And yet neither of the other two campaigns took advantage of that. The Sanders campaign is the only one that searched, downloaded, and saved data from another campaign. So, yes, they're the only ones whose access has been suspended. And instead of fessing up, they're threatening to sue the DNC, and saying Bernie is the victim here.

You'd never think this was acceptable if Hillary's campaign had done it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In my view, the headline should read "DNC can't protect candidates data." Of course, I have so many questions and thoughts -

1. What is the big deal anyway? The party should let all democratic candidates have access to all potential voter information. More open information will only serve the party to get the best candidate. Is it so bad that Berne and Hilary send an emails to each's others lists and supporters. i don't get it.

2. If this is a problem, why is the DNC even putting candidates at risk for headlines like this?

3. Bernie's campaign is pushing back aggressively. This makes me think there is more to the story. If this turns out to be some internal feud where the establishment folks are trying to make Bernie look bad, then I think this will backfire for the establishment folks and HRC.

4. The main argument I keep hearing against Bernie is that he can't win. That is not all that convincing to me. I even see polls where he would beat every Republican candidate. Many of us support Bernie/Warren types over Wall St candidates because we want change. Change is not going to come by just supporting the status quo. Someone has to take a risk. The world gets warmer, Wall St. get's richer, terrorists get bolder and the current policies keep on chugging...

This is confidential, proprietary information that campaigns spend months and even years developing. It's not just email addresses. SMH.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What does Hillary even stand for? I have yet to figure out what she will do for our country. She's as quiet as a church mouse because she has no plans. She's hoping to win on her husband's "legacy" and little else.

Plenty of information out there. Just look. She has a ton of achievements spanning several decades. As to future plans look at her website. You are lazy PP.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What does Hillary even stand for? I have yet to figure out what she will do for our country. She's as quiet as a church mouse because she has no plans. She's hoping to win on her husband's "legacy" and little else.

Plenty of information out there. Just look. She has a ton of achievements spanning several decades. As to future plans look at her website. You are lazy PP.

In the next debate, Bernie can say "what's all this DNC hacking about anyway? Who cares? Right Hillary? [massive audience applause]

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In my view, the headline should read "DNC can't protect candidates data." Of course, I have so many questions and thoughts -

1. What is the big deal anyway? The party should let all democratic candidates have access to all potential voter information. More open information will only serve the party to get the best candidate. Is it so bad that Berne and Hilary send an emails to each's others lists and supporters. i don't get it.

2. If this is a problem, why is the DNC even putting candidates at risk for headlines like this?

3. Bernie's campaign is pushing back aggressively. This makes me think there is more to the story. If this turns out to be some internal feud where the establishment folks are trying to make Bernie look bad, then I think this will backfire for the establishment folks and HRC.

4. The main argument I keep hearing against Bernie is that he can't win. That is not all that convincing to me. I even see polls where he would beat every Republican candidate. Many of us support Bernie/Warren types over Wall St candidates because we want change. Change is not going to come by just supporting the status quo. Someone has to take a risk. The world gets warmer, Wall St. get's richer, terrorists get bolder and the current policies keep on chugging...

This is confidential, proprietary information that campaigns spend months and even years developing. It's not just email addresses. SMH.

I am just not that excited about this data. It probably means a lot to individual campaigns and so forth. If those campaigns really think it is valuable, then they shouldn't share it with the DNC. I think the DNC interest should be in getting all the candidates access all democratic primary voters. IF they nave any information that can help get a candidate's information to a voter or get that voter's money to a candidate, then they should share it. If a candidate doesn't believe in this principal, than they should manage the data themselves. Personally, I think democracy and party interests are better served with more openness.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In my view, the headline should read "DNC can't protect candidates data." Of course, I have so many questions and thoughts -

1. What is the big deal anyway? The party should let all democratic candidates have access to all potential voter information. More open information will only serve the party to get the best candidate. Is it so bad that Berne and Hilary send an emails to each's others lists and supporters. i don't get it.

2. If this is a problem, why is the DNC even putting candidates at risk for headlines like this?

3. Bernie's campaign is pushing back aggressively. This makes me think there is more to the story. If this turns out to be some internal feud where the establishment folks are trying to make Bernie look bad, then I think this will backfire for the establishment folks and HRC.

4. The main argument I keep hearing against Bernie is that he can't win. That is not all that convincing to me. I even see polls where he would beat every Republican candidate. Many of us support Bernie/Warren types over Wall St candidates because we want change. Change is not going to come by just supporting the status quo. Someone has to take a risk. The world gets warmer, Wall St. get's richer, terrorists get bolder and the current policies keep on chugging...

This is confidential, proprietary information that campaigns spend months and even years developing. It's not just email addresses. SMH.

I am just not that excited about this data. It probably means a lot to individual campaigns and so forth. If those campaigns really think it is valuable, then they shouldn't share it with the DNC. I think the DNC interest should be in getting all the candidates access all democratic primary voters. IF they nave any information that can help get a candidate's information to a voter or get that voter's money to a candidate, then they should share it. If a candidate doesn't believe in this principal, than they should manage the data themselves. Personally, I think democracy and party interests are better served with more openness.

I think you don't understand how it works. This is the national data platform for the Democratic Party. All candidates agree to use only their own data.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In my view, the headline should read "DNC can't protect candidates data." Of course, I have so many questions and thoughts -

1. What is the big deal anyway? The party should let all democratic candidates have access to all potential voter information. More open information will only serve the party to get the best candidate. Is it so bad that Berne and Hilary send an emails to each's others lists and supporters. i don't get it.

2. If this is a problem, why is the DNC even putting candidates at risk for headlines like this?

3. Bernie's campaign is pushing back aggressively. This makes me think there is more to the story. If this turns out to be some internal feud where the establishment folks are trying to make Bernie look bad, then I think this will backfire for the establishment folks and HRC.

4. The main argument I keep hearing against Bernie is that he can't win. That is not all that convincing to me. I even see polls where he would beat every Republican candidate. Many of us support Bernie/Warren types over Wall St candidates because we want change. Change is not going to come by just supporting the status quo. Someone has to take a risk. The world gets warmer, Wall St. get's richer, terrorists get bolder and the current policies keep on chugging...

This is confidential, proprietary information that campaigns spend months and even years developing. It's not just email addresses. SMH.

I am just not that excited about this data. It probably means a lot to individual campaigns and so forth. If those campaigns really think it is valuable, then they shouldn't share it with the DNC. I think the DNC interest should be in getting all the candidates access all democratic primary voters. IF they nave any information that can help get a candidate's information to a voter or get that voter's money to a candidate, then they should share it. If a candidate doesn't believe in this principal, than they should manage the data themselves. Personally, I think democracy and party interests are better served with more openness.

Hillary's campaign spent a lot of time and money calling and canvassing to identify the Democratic voters who supported her, were against her, or were undecided, so they can follow up with persuasion for the undecideds, get-out-the-vote for the supporters, and not waste time and money on the antis. Four different Sanders' campaign staffers intentionally searched that Clinton campaign data in ten early states and saved the files. Those lists are worth millions of dollars and months of campaign work, especially the undecided voters because Sanders' campaign could effectively target that smaller list for persuasion at much less expense than if they did not have that information and had to contact the whole Democratic voter file.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In my view, the headline should read "DNC can't protect candidates data." Of course, I have so many questions and thoughts -

1. What is the big deal anyway? The party should let all democratic candidates have access to all potential voter information. More open information will only serve the party to get the best candidate. Is it so bad that Berne and Hilary send an emails to each's others lists and supporters. i don't get it.

2. If this is a problem, why is the DNC even putting candidates at risk for headlines like this?

3. Bernie's campaign is pushing back aggressively. This makes me think there is more to the story. If this turns out to be some internal feud where the establishment folks are trying to make Bernie look bad, then I think this will backfire for the establishment folks and HRC.

4. The main argument I keep hearing against Bernie is that he can't win. That is not all that convincing to me. I even see polls where he would beat every Republican candidate. Many of us support Bernie/Warren types over Wall St candidates because we want change. Change is not going to come by just supporting the status quo. Someone has to take a risk. The world gets warmer, Wall St. get's richer, terrorists get bolder and the current policies keep on chugging...

This is confidential, proprietary information that campaigns spend months and even years developing. It's not just email addresses. SMH.

I am just not that excited about this data. It probably means a lot to individual campaigns and so forth. If those campaigns really think it is valuable, then they shouldn't share it with the DNC. I think the DNC interest should be in getting all the candidates access all democratic primary voters. IF they nave any information that can help get a candidate's information to a voter or get that voter's money to a candidate, then they should share it. If a candidate doesn't believe in this principal, than they should manage the data themselves. Personally, I think democracy and party interests are better served with more openness.

Hillary's campaign spent a lot of time and money calling and canvassing to identify the Democratic voters who supported her, were against her, or were undecided, so they can follow up with persuasion for the undecideds, get-out-the-vote for the supporters, and not waste time and money on the antis. Four different Sanders' campaign staffers intentionally searched that Clinton campaign data in ten early states and saved the files. Those lists are worth millions of dollars and months of campaign work, especially the undecided voters because Sanders' campaign could effectively target that smaller list for persuasion at much less expense than if they did not have that information and had to contact the whole Democratic voter file.

Exactly right.

What's incredible is that instead of firing all the staffers involved and making sure the data are purged, Bernie threatened to sue the DNC and sent out a fundraising email about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In my view, the headline should read "DNC can't protect candidates data." Of course, I have so many questions and thoughts -

1. What is the big deal anyway? The party should let all democratic candidates have access to all potential voter information. More open information will only serve the party to get the best candidate. Is it so bad that Berne and Hilary send an emails to each's others lists and supporters. i don't get it.

2. If this is a problem, why is the DNC even putting candidates at risk for headlines like this?

3. Bernie's campaign is pushing back aggressively. This makes me think there is more to the story. If this turns out to be some internal feud where the establishment folks are trying to make Bernie look bad, then I think this will backfire for the establishment folks and HRC.

4. The main argument I keep hearing against Bernie is that he can't win. That is not all that convincing to me. I even see polls where he would beat every Republican candidate. Many of us support Bernie/Warren types over Wall St candidates because we want change. Change is not going to come by just supporting the status quo. Someone has to take a risk. The world gets warmer, Wall St. get's richer, terrorists get bolder and the current policies keep on chugging...

This is my reaction too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What does Hillary even stand for? I have yet to figure out what she will do for our country. She's as quiet as a church mouse because she has no plans. She's hoping to win on her husband's "legacy" and little else.

Plenty of information out there. Just look. She has a ton of achievements spanning several decades. As to future plans look at her website. You are lazy PP.

In the next debate, Bernie can say "what's all this DNC hacking about anyway? Who cares? Right Hillary? [massive audience applause]

That would be perfect.