New York Top Schools - Top marks largely go to Asians. Bill de Blasio wants to change the exams

[Anonymous]

Why don't the blacks and Hispanics learn from the asians? That would maybe there should be classes how to adopt asian culture of studying, determination and hard work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think that any exam which promotes pure rote learning is going to benefit the most studious kids. But I am not sure that the ability to regurgitate information demonstrates the most ability.

I would prefer to see assessment that recognises creativity and original thinking too.

I love this. Anytime Asian kids do well on something, it must be pure rote learning.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/ This article describes how Harvard et al use holistic admission criterion to keep the Asian percentage constant even though the Asian kids' winning increasingly all kids of science awards (rote learning too?) suggests that they are increasing their achievement by leaps and bounds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think that any exam which promotes pure rote learning is going to benefit the most studious kids. But I am not sure that the ability to regurgitate information demonstrates the most ability.

I would prefer to see assessment that recognises creativity and original thinking too.

I love this. Anytime Asian kids do well on something, it must be pure rote learning.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/ This article describes how Harvard et al use holistic admission criterion to keep the Asian percentage constant even though the Asian kids' winning increasingly all kids of science awards (rote learning too?) suggests that they are increasing their achievement by leaps and bounds.

I think that if test prep can significantly increase your score on an exam, then there's a good chance that the exam contains a good bit of rote learning.

[Anonymous]

I think all kids should be required to do after school science and robotics clubs. So many avoid them because they don't feel like they "fit in" and that they are for "nerds".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bill is just another clown in the liberal clown car. Unfortunately for New Yorker, he's driving, but driving the wrong way down a one way street.

He's a life long bureaucrat and well on his way to being a one term mayor. God I miss Bloomberg... At least he understood merit and work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think that any exam which promotes pure rote learning is going to benefit the most studious kids. But I am not sure that the ability to regurgitate information demonstrates the most ability.

I would prefer to see assessment that recognises creativity and original thinking too.

I love this. Anytime Asian kids do well on something, it must be pure rote learning.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/ This article describes how Harvard et al use holistic admission criterion to keep the Asian percentage constant even though the Asian kids' winning increasingly all kids of science awards (rote learning too?) suggests that they are increasing their achievement by leaps and bounds.

I think that if test prep can significantly increase your score on an exam, then there's a good chance that the exam contains a good bit of rote learning.

Do you know that the test prep can significantly increase the score? Maybe it is just plain learning can increase your score on the test. I think we are all to hang up on IQ. As long as they prove that they can do the work (there is no evidence Asian students is causing Stuvy to water down its teaching), achievement is really all that matters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Do you know that the test prep can significantly increase the score? Maybe it is just plain learning can increase your score on the test. I think we are all to hang up on IQ. As long as they prove that they can do the work (there is no evidence Asian students is causing Stuvy to water down its teaching), achievement is really all that matters.

That depends on the test, doesn't it? There are tests where test prep can significantly increase the score. There are tests where it can't. I don't know anything about this particular test, other than that the Economist article specifically talks about test prep.

I think it's a mistake to conflate achievement with test scores, or test scores with ability. Surely we all know smart people who do badly on standardized tests, as well as people whose standardized test scores are better than their actual abilities.

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Anonymous wrote:What about offering a free or subsidized test prep service for income-qualified black and Latino students?

While I get the argument that Asian families of modest means make this a priority, the children of families who aren't that lucky should have a way to get the test prep as well.

So hard work is now considered "luck". YOU ARE TERRIBLE

No, being born to a family that makes test prep a priority is considered "luck". Children don't choose their parents.

And yet children learn parenting skills from their own experience. Maybe let the "fittest" survive?

[Anonymous]

Rather than spending time/effort explaining why blacks and Latino kids can't score high, why not teach them to take school seriously? It's pathetic how hard people try to underscore Asian kids' accomplishments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Rather than spending time/effort explaining why blacks and Latino kids can't score high, why not teach them to take school seriously? It's pathetic how hard people try to underscore Asian kids' accomplishments.

You just spent time/effort explaining it yourself. Your explanation is that they don't take school seriously. I wonder how you know that.

[Anonymous]

Lol! Stuy has been majority Asian for at least a generation at this point as well as Bronx Science.... and TJ in VA for what? 10 yrs at least.

Talks about lowering the standard for the entrance exam happen every few yrs and it always turns out to be lip service by some politician to appease their constituents. Nothing ever comes out of it and in all likelihood Stuy, Bronx Science, etc will remain majority Asian.

Keep blowing smoke, Bill.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about offering a free or subsidized test prep service for income-qualified black and Latino students?

While I get the argument that Asian families of modest means make this a priority, the children of families who aren't that lucky should have a way to get the test prep as well.

So hard work is now considered "luck". YOU ARE TERRIBLE

No, being born to a family that makes test prep a priority is considered "luck". Children don't choose their parents.

Most Asian children grow up in intact families (married biological parents), extensive social network and a strong emphasis on education. Can you dictate that all students of all races should have this family structure, this culture and these values?

Let a free and subsidized test prep service for income qualified students of all races be offered by the city of NY. Why just Black and Latino students?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rather than spending time/effort explaining why blacks and Latino kids can't score high, why not teach them to take school seriously? It's pathetic how hard people try to underscore Asian kids' accomplishments.

You just spent time/effort explaining it yourself. Your explanation is that they don't take school seriously. I wonder how you know that.

You can't be serious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why don't the blacks and Hispanics learn from the asians? That would maybe there should be classes how to adopt asian culture of studying, determination and hard work.

The blacks and hispanics are not the ones who are worried about getting into these schools. It is the Whites who have gone from 80% in 1970s to 25% in 2015. And the lowering of standards will help Whites.

Give free test prep to economically disadvantaged kids of all races.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rather than spending time/effort explaining why blacks and Latino kids can't score high, why not teach them to take school seriously? It's pathetic how hard people try to underscore Asian kids' accomplishments.

You just spent time/effort explaining it yourself. Your explanation is that they don't take school seriously. I wonder how you know that.

You can't be serious.

Yes, I'm serious. Please explain how you know that the reason that test scores for black/Latino kids tend to be lower is that black/Latino kids don't take school seriously.