New York Top Schools - Top marks largely go to Asians. Bill de Blasio wants to change the exams

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Anonymous wrote:Why do they have to change the exam? They can just lower the cutoff scores for Blacks and Latinos.

But...but...but...how will that benefit the Whites? I mean, all this talk of helping Blacks and Latinos is just a ruse to help more Whites get in.

Whites don't need extra help. There are plenty of smart white kids around. Plenty...

There are also plenty of smart black and Latino kids around. There are plenty of smart kids, period.

Then I guess they don't need to change the exam, right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do they have to change the exam? They can just lower the cutoff scores for Blacks and Latinos.

But...but...but...how will that benefit the Whites? I mean, all this talk of helping Blacks and Latinos is just a ruse to help more Whites get in.

Whites don't need extra help. There are plenty of smart white kids around. Plenty...

There are also plenty of smart black and Latino kids around. There are plenty of smart kids, period.

Then I guess they don't need to change the exam, right?

That doesn't follow logically at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do they have to change the exam? They can just lower the cutoff scores for Blacks and Latinos.

But...but...but...how will that benefit the Whites? I mean, all this talk of helping Blacks and Latinos is just a ruse to help more Whites get in.

Whites don't need extra help. There are plenty of smart white kids around. Plenty...

There are also plenty of smart black and Latino kids around. There are plenty of smart kids, period.

Then I guess they don't need to change the exam, right?

That doesn't follow logically at all.

Really? Well, if there are plenty of smart kids from all races, then the exam should not be changed. The top ranked candidates should be offered the seat regardless of their skin color.

If you think HHI plays a role then, you also give a scholarship to kids who qualify.

Else, admit that there is discrimination against Asians by Whites.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/opinion/asians-too-smart-for-their-own-good.html?_r=0

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Anonymous wrote:http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21646217-top-marks-largely-go-asians-bill-de-blasio-wants-change-exams-asians-beware

What are your thoughts about this? I feel that this is a trend that one can see in the most exclusive and competitive schools and colleges - where Asians are becoming the majority because of higher academic performance.

The lowering of admissions criteria will help Whites rather than Hispanics and Blacks. Similar to what is happening in the Ivy League colleges.

I don't trust any report that calls math "maths."

?? It's the British name for math and The Economist is a British-based publication...

Gee, thanks Sherlock.

[Anonymous]

sad day for america

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Really? Well, if there are plenty of smart kids from all races, then the exam should not be changed. The top ranked candidates should be offered the seat regardless of their skin color.

There are plenty of smart kids in all races and ethnicities. An exam (not just this exam -- any exam) is an imperfect means of identifying them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Really? Well, if there are plenty of smart kids from all races, then the exam should not be changed. The top ranked candidates should be offered the seat regardless of their skin color.

There are plenty of smart kids in all races and ethnicities. An exam (not just this exam -- any exam) is an imperfect means of identifying them.

maybe, maybe not... how do you explain the fact Asian/White kids score consistently higher on any and all tests? just a coincidence? i think not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Really? Well, if there are plenty of smart kids from all races, then the exam should not be changed. The top ranked candidates should be offered the seat regardless of their skin color.

There are plenty of smart kids in all races and ethnicities. An exam (not just this exam -- any exam) is an imperfect means of identifying them.

maybe, maybe not... how do you explain the fact Asian/White kids score consistently higher on any and all tests? just a coincidence? i think not.

Because exams are imperfect means of identifying smart kids of all races and ethnicities.

Unless you're suggesting that there is something inherently smarter about white and Asian kids than black and Latino kids? I certainly hope that you're not suggesting that. Not only would it be racist, it would be profoundly ignorant of biology.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Really? Well, if there are plenty of smart kids from all races, then the exam should not be changed. The top ranked candidates should be offered the seat regardless of their skin color.

There are plenty of smart kids in all races and ethnicities. An exam (not just this exam -- any exam) is an imperfect means of identifying them.

maybe, maybe not... how do you explain the fact Asian/White kids score consistently higher on any and all tests? just a coincidence? i think not.

Because exams are imperfect means of identifying smart kids of all races and ethnicities.

Unless you're suggesting that there is something inherently smarter about white and Asian kids than black and Latino kids? I certainly hope that you're not suggesting that. Not only would it be racist, it would be profoundly ignorant of biology.

Yes, of course.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Really? Well, if there are plenty of smart kids from all races, then the exam should not be changed. The top ranked candidates should be offered the seat regardless of their skin color.

There are plenty of smart kids in all races and ethnicities. An exam (not just this exam -- any exam) is an imperfect means of identifying them.

maybe, maybe not... how do you explain the fact Asian/White kids score consistently higher on any and all tests? just a coincidence? i think not.

Because exams are imperfect means of identifying smart kids of all races and ethnicities.

Unless you're suggesting that there is something inherently smarter about white and Asian kids than black and Latino kids? I certainly hope that you're not suggesting that. Not only would it be racist, it would be profoundly ignorant of biology.

I think by lowering standards of an academic test to gain entrance into an academic institution for academic purposes is implying that some races are not academically smart.

Yes, there are all kinds of smart kids - some are good in music, dance, sports, spatial reasoning...and so there are competitions that measure these specific kind of intelligence too.

Since exams are such an imperfect way - we should eliminate all exams. Harvard can institute some kind of "Hunger Games" kind of scenario and the survivor gets admitted to it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Really? Well, if there are plenty of smart kids from all races, then the exam should not be changed. The top ranked candidates should be offered the seat regardless of their skin color.

There are plenty of smart kids in all races and ethnicities. An exam (not just this exam -- any exam) is an imperfect means of identifying them.

maybe, maybe not... how do you explain the fact Asian/White kids score consistently higher on any and all tests? just a coincidence? i think not.

Because exams are imperfect means of identifying smart kids of all races and ethnicities.

Unless you're suggesting that there is something inherently smarter about white and Asian kids than black and Latino kids? I certainly hope that you're not suggesting that. Not only would it be racist, it would be profoundly ignorant of biology.

I think by lowering standards of an academic test to gain entrance into an academic institution for academic purposes is implying that some races are not academically smart.

Yes, there are all kinds of smart kids - some are good in music, dance, sports, spatial reasoning...and so there are competitions that measure these specific kind of intelligence too.

Since exams are such an imperfect way - we should eliminate all exams. Harvard can institute some kind of "Hunger Games" kind of scenario and the survivor gets admitted to it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do they have to change the exam? They can just lower the cutoff scores for Blacks and Latinos.

But...but...but...how will that benefit the Whites? I mean, all this talk of helping Blacks and Latinos is just a ruse to help more Whites get in.

Nope. The mayor is a progressive who wants to help underrepresented minorities such as his son.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I think by lowering standards of an academic test to gain entrance into an academic institution for academic purposes is implying that some races are not academically smart.

Yes, there are all kinds of smart kids - some are good in music, dance, sports, spatial reasoning...and so there are competitions that measure these specific kind of intelligence too.

Since exams are such an imperfect way - we should eliminate all exams. Harvard can institute some kind of "Hunger Games" kind of scenario and the survivor gets admitted to it.

No, it's admitting that an academic test alone is not necessarily a good measure of ability (except ability to do well on an academic test).

Also, nobody is advocating getting rid of all exams, except maybe Alfie Kohn. What's more, the Harvard admissions office actually takes a whole lot more into account than just test scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21646217-top-marks-largely-go-asians-bill-de-blasio-wants-change-exams-asians-beware

What are your thoughts about this? I feel that this is a trend that one can see in the most exclusive and competitive schools and colleges - where Asians are becoming the majority because of higher academic performance.

The lowering of admissions criteria will help Whites rather than Hispanics and Blacks. Similar to what is happening in the Ivy League colleges.

I have to shake my head with these things. The premise is always that there is cultural bias. But if there's cultural bias, then shouldn't that be favoring whites? Obviously it isn't. Guess the results negate a big chunk of the cultural bias theory...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21646217-top-marks-largely-go-asians-bill-de-blasio-wants-change-exams-asians-beware

What are your thoughts about this? I feel that this is a trend that one can see in the most exclusive and competitive schools and colleges - where Asians are becoming the majority because of higher academic performance.

The lowering of admissions criteria will help Whites rather than Hispanics and Blacks. Similar to what is happening in the Ivy League colleges.

I have to shake my head with these things. The premise is always that there is cultural bias. But if there's cultural bias, then shouldn't that be favoring whites? Obviously it isn't. Guess the results negate a big chunk of the cultural bias theory...

Actually the premise (if you read the article) is that children who get sent to tutors for test prep do better on the test. So the test prep tutors are effective, which they should feel proud of. But it does raise the question of what exactly the test is measuring.