Octuplet mom: Can you justify that level of anger in public?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I also love this woman's distorted sense of reality. What about when she said "this is only a temporary situation. When I get out of school I will be able to support them all." Is she stupid, delusional? When you get our of school Nadya at most you will make $50k a year. Which is NOTHING in comparision to what it will take to support these kids. What about those student loans you are using right now? Are you not going to pay those back? Who is going to watch 14 kids while you go to school? I mean seriously, we have one child, make considerably more than NS and I still feel stretched at times.

If you are stretched, then don't donate to NS. But people who do have wealth should and likely will donate to her. I have heard she has about $400,000 worth of donations already set aside forher children. People will separate the issue of Nadia and her children. Her children will need help and many people have big hearts for helping children. If I had more money I would donate myself.

One day any one of us can end up needing state support of some kind. Perhaps it will be when we are retired. Perhaps it will be when we lose our jobs. Perhaps it will be when grandma comes over to care for our kids so that we can work. In some way we are getting the help we need from others.

Wow. Want to send some of that cash my way?
Also: Who's to say she's actually going to spend that money on her kids?

Because food stamps can not be used to go shopping at Nordstrom. Because free health insurance for her children can not be used for Nadya. Because therapy for her one child's autistic like symptoms is not therapy for Nadya. Because Nadya is not the first woman with many children who has used state support so the state knows how to keep track of these things. Plus the children will be watched regularly and nurses will attend to her newborns regularly to see that her benefits are used for her kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Went searching....

Octuplet mom Nadya Suleman was spotted Wednesday in California shopping for video games and was captured on film checking out the Nintendo Wii and its accessories. The Wii retails for about $250. The controllers she was eye cost about $40. If she buys one for all 14 kids, that will add up to about $560.

Have you thought about the possibility that it might be a gift? She IS receiving donations regardless of whether you think she deserves it.

The Los Angeles Times, however, is reporting that Suleman gets $490 a month in food stamps and another $600 in disability payments for three of her older children who suffer from ADHD, a speech impediment and autism.
As she should for a mother who needs help. We live in a country that helps people who need help. One day you will be retired and may need to rely on Medicare. One day you may be unemployed and be standing in the unemployment insurance line. God help you if the world take this attitude with you or any person who truly just needs a helping hand.

The San Francisco Social Security Administration also told the paper that a single parent like Suleman with disabled kids could qualify for up to $2,900 a month in state and federal help.

Reporting by Daily News Staff Writer Carrie Melago and Lauren Johnston.
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Los Angeles County property records indicate the Suleman house went into mortgage default on Feb. 9 after non-payment for 10 months. Suleman, 33, is also without a job and receiving food stamps, yet she still thought having octuplets through in vitro fertilization was a great idea? Suleman said she wanted a huge family <i>“to make up for the isolation she said she always felt as a child.”</i>

So if nadya's mother went into default on Feb. 9, that was just two weeks ago. Nadya was pregnant 9 months ago. Her decision to do invitro was made 10 months ago, well before they went into default.
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Hahahahaha she's pursuing a masters degree in (wait for it....) <b>COUNSELING.</b> According to an interview she gave on the today show with Anne Curry.

Why the 'hahahahaha'? It makes perfect sense that she'd study counseling. Many people who go into psychiatry, psychology, or social work often do so because they have unresolved issues or feelings themselves about something in their own lives. I have psychiatrists in my family so I know this. But if you have never known anyone intimately in these types of fields I suppose you would not know this.
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In that same interview, she claimed she wasn't on welfare and didn't want to get on welfare.

I take this to mean she does not quite understand what welfare means, it's not a stake to use to crucify this woman.

Surprise surprise....she's on welfare now.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,490269,00.html

Imagine your elderly mother or father on welfare. Imagine your son who might become disabled or mentally ill in adulthood and needs to go on welfare. Will you want the community to treat them as you are treating Nadya?

"In her view these are just payments made for people with legitimate needs and are not, in her view, welfare," Furtney said. "She just believes that there are programs for people with needs and she and her children qualify for some of them."
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Kate Gosselin of Jon and Kate Plus Eight appeared on the [Dr. Phil] show to talk about the hardships of raising multiples. She told Dr. Phil that it took a team of 50 volunteers a week to care for the sextuplets during the first year. Kate Goslin said she is very organized and determined and is worried that Nadya Suleman will not receive the help she needs.

if it took Kate Gosselin 50 volunteers why is Nadya demonized if she gets even one volunteer? I saw nearly every episode of that Jon and Kate Plus Eight show. Jon did NOT WANT ANY MORE CHILDREN. Kate pushed and pushed him into that decision. When you do infertility treatments you never know what you'll end up with. Kate is a nurse so she knew that full well. Now Kate relies on an army of people who VOLUNTEER to help her. So why not help Nadya's kids too?

[Anonymous]

Wow. Wow. Wow. With the mean-spiritness on this board, it makes me want to move to Europe permanently to be around more compassionate people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow. Wow. Wow. With the mean-spiritness on this board, it makes me want to move to Europe permanently to be around more compassionate people.

Good luck with that.

[Anonymous]

To all the people that say things like this:

"As she should for a mother who needs help. We live in a country that helps people who need help. One day you will be retired and may need to rely on Medicare. One day you may be unemployed and be standing in the unemployment insurance line. God help you if the world take this attitude with you or any person who truly just needs a helping hand." (PP 21.27)

She CHOSE to do that to herself! She kept pushing and pushing to have more and more kids through invitro. She already had 6 babies. Why did she need the 7th one? lucky number 7?

This is not a case of "I lost my job, so I need unemployment til I'm back on my feet" This woman has severe issues and does not appear to be a fit mother.

Unconditional love is a wonderful thing, but it isn't going to put food on the table or a roof over the kids' heads.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To all the people that say things like this:

"As she should for a mother who needs help. We live in a country that helps people who need help. One day you will be retired and may need to rely on Medicare. One day you may be unemployed and be standing in the unemployment insurance line. God help you if the world take this attitude with you or any person who truly just needs a helping hand." (PP 21.27)

She CHOSE to do that to herself! She kept pushing and pushing to have more and more kids through invitro. She already had 6 babies. Why did she need the 7th one? lucky number 7?

This is not a case of "I lost my job, so I need unemployment til I'm back on my feet" This woman has severe issues and does not appear to be a fit mother.

Unconditional love is a wonderful thing, but it isn't going to put food on the table or a roof over the kids' heads.

We should take care of kids no matter what. As far as the mom, we should also take care of those with emotional and mental infirmities....

I don't think having so many children should be viewed as abusive per se, but I do hope the authorities keep an eye on that home. I know I couldn't properly take care of 14 children by myself...I think this will be too much for her as well...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Kate Goslin said she is very organized and determined and is worried that Nadya Suleman will not receive the help she needs.

The care Nadya needs is institutionalization. Really.

How do you know she won't use some of that $400K for another round of in vitro?

Absolutely agreed. The money should be going into a fund of some sort controlled by an objective 3rd party so that it will be there for the kids when they need it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To all the people that say things like this:

"As she should for a mother who needs help. We live in a country that helps people who need help. One day you will be retired and may need to rely on Medicare. One day you may be unemployed and be standing in the unemployment insurance line. God help you if the world take this attitude with you or any person who truly just needs a helping hand." (PP 21.27)

She CHOSE to do that to herself! She kept pushing and pushing to have more and more kids through invitro. She already had 6 babies. Why did she need the 7th one? lucky number 7?

This is not a case of "I lost my job, so I need unemployment til I'm back on my feet" This woman has severe issues and does not appear to be a fit mother.

Unconditional love is a wonderful thing, but it isn't going to put food on the table or a roof over the kids' heads.

Well to mei it's not much of a stretch. Someone who is the unemployment insurance line make some pretty stupid choices in their own life to possibly not complete their education or to go for a field that is simply not a reliable,predictor income earning occupation. Isn't that just stupid?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow. Wow. Wow. With the mean-spiritness on this board, it makes me want to move to Europe permanently to be around more compassionate people.

Good luck with that.

Do you have some information about the pitfalls of living in Europe that you'd like to share with us rather than throwing out one-liners? Have you lived in Europe before? Which country and what city? Please do tell.

People in Switzerland enjoy a higher standard of living than U.S. citizens and people are happier there. And yes, people are nicer there.

I just heard on CNN that the police all over this country are worried about a summer of rage due to the recession. Perhaps that other poster was right - people's lack of compassion can be attributed to the recession. NObody is responsible for the recession than this country and the bankers that make up some of the people living here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Kate Goslin said she is very organized and determined and is worried that Nadya Suleman will not receive the help she needs.

The care Nadya needs is institutionalization. Really.

How do you know she won't use some of that $400K for another round of in vitro?

Absolutely agreed. The money should be going into a fund of some sort controlled by an objective 3rd party so that it will be there for the kids when they need it.

Of course the state would not hand her a half a million dollar check and then not care about how it was spent. This is why people get food stamps instead of cash in their hand. The state knows what to do and how to make sure people do not take advantage of their assistance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I also love this woman's distorted sense of reality. What about when she said "this is only a temporary situation. When I get out of school I will be able to support them all." Is she stupid, delusional? When you get our of school Nadya at most you will make $50k a year. Which is NOTHING in comparision to what it will take to support these kids. What about those student loans you are using right now? Are you not going to pay those back? Who is going to watch 14 kids while you go to school? I mean seriously, we have one child, make considerably more than NS and I still feel stretched at times.

If you are stretched, then don't donate to NS. But people who do have wealth should and likely will donate to her. I have heard she has about $400,000 worth of donations already set aside forher children. People will separate the issue of Nadia and her children. Her children will need help and many people have big hearts for helping children. If I had more money I would donate myself.

One day any one of us can end up needing state support of some kind. Perhaps it will be when we are retired. Perhaps it will be when we lose our jobs. Perhaps it will be when grandma comes over to care for our kids so that we can work. In some way we are getting the help we need from others.

Wow. Want to send some of that cash my way?
Also: Who's to say she's actually going to spend that money on her kids?

Proof that you're mean because of the recession. Angry that Nadya gets money but you don't.

[Anonymous]

I am always amazed at he mean-spiritedness of this Board.

It is interesting that there are so many that believe that the babies should be taken away and put in adoptive homes. Has anyone not noticed that the foster care/adoption system in this country is in crisis and that those with financial means tend to adopt children from outside of this country. One of the reasons that they may get adopted is because they are now "celebrity babies".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow. Wow. Wow. With the mean-spiritness on this board, it makes me want to move to Europe permanently to be around more compassionate people.

Good luck with that.

Do you have some information about the pitfalls of living in Europe that you'd like to share with us rather than throwing out one-liners? Have you lived in Europe before? Which country and what city? Please do tell.

People in Switzerland enjoy a higher standard of living than U.S. citizens and people are happier there. And yes, people are nicer there.

I just heard on CNN that the police all over this country are worried about a summer of rage due to the recession. Perhaps that other poster was right - people's lack of compassion can be attributed to the recession. NObody is responsible for the recession than this country and the bankers that make up some of the people living here.

Europe is great if you are white.

[Anonymous]

New poster here. I do "have wealth" and I am not sending her a cent. That would be enabling her behavior. I give money to people and causes that interest me and for whom I feel compassion. Some whackjob who decides to have 14 kids with no job and no way to care for them is not on that list. She doesn't even take care of the ones she had before; the state pays for a nanny because of the autistic kid according to People Magazine. I feel sorry for the kids for having such a trainwreck of a mother, but I am not going to enable her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am always amazed at he mean-spiritedness of this Board.

It is interesting that there are so many that believe that the babies should be taken away and put in adoptive homes. Has anyone not noticed that the foster care/adoption system in this country is in crisis and that those with financial means tend to adopt children from outside of this country. One of the reasons that they may get adopted is because they are now "celebrity babies".

I'm pretty sure there would be 8 couples who have been waiting for years to adopt that would gladly accept one of Nadya's babies. They wouldn't go into the broken foster care system (which usually for older kids anyway, ie not a newborn). Adoptive parents in the US usually wait years, have been thoroughly vetted, and have to pay a ton of money to adopt a baby. I thought that is why so many people go to other countries to adopt- because it is less expensive and they don't have to wait a long time. I have neighbors that waited for years to adopt an American baby and got tired of it, so adopted from Russia. So yes, I think there are some major problems with foster care in the US but most likely, that is not where Nadya's babies would go anyway. Even if they weren't "celebrity babies" they would be put in adoptive homes, not foster ones.