Octuplet mom: Can you justify that level of anger in public?

[Anonymous]

Has anyone seen the video of her and her mother being interviewed, and it all going wrong. Dear God this woman is a nutter.
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/02/octomom-lied-about-pregnancy-i-have-a-tumor.php

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Anonymous wrote:I think you are overreacting. No one on this board has suggested that they wish Nadya dead. And , in fact, many people have posted that they wish the babies could have parents who are responsible, loving and mature--ie--adoptive parents. Those babies are darling and they each deserve a chance at a wonderful life. Many doubt that Nadya has the emotional maturity to provide this.And , I believe, time will show this to be true.(As has already been shown to be true with her previous 6)

What is the proof that she is an irresponsible mother with the 6 she has? That she chose to do another invitro? She was trying for a 7th child, not 14. It is so common for Arab (and Jewish and Mormon and Catholic ) families to have lots of children.

So is your proof that she could not afford the 6 she had? Well her family was affording them. In her Arab culture, many extended families stay together and work things out together financially. Not every Arab family, but for some.
Again, lots of parents do stupid things at 33 or even older. There is a thread that was started talking about a mom who leaves her DC in the car while running errands. Now, that's stupid!

The best thing for children is to remain with their biological mother, providing she is stable enough to care for them. Courts will look to see if the mom does not have the resources if she has help. In this case, she has her parents who have been helping her. Having invitro while single doesn't make you incapable of being a decent mother. Having invitro and expecting your parents to support them, if that is what's sometimes done in your culture, doesn't make you incapable of being a decent mother either.

I respectfully disagree. That's not very common in Arab culture. It is, however, absolutely uncommon among Arab families to have children out of wedlock....

She's a Christian Arab, not a Muslim Arab. This would be unheard of among Muslim Arabs if they follow their religion because it's forbidden in Islam to have a child through a sperm donor.

That's absolutely untrue.

What's your source?

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone seen the video of her and her mother being interviewed, and it all going wrong. Dear God this woman is a nutter.
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/02/octomom-lied-about-pregnancy-i-have-a-tumor.php

Thank-you for posting this link. Yep, I have to agree, the mom is a nut. That poor grandmom--Nadya expresses no thanks to her for all she has done and continues to do for the first 6 children and I'm sure will continue to do for the first six. What a selfish, immature person.

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Anonymous wrote:I think you are overreacting. No one on this board has suggested that they wish Nadya dead. And , in fact, many people have posted that they wish the babies could have parents who are responsible, loving and mature--ie--adoptive parents. Those babies are darling and they each deserve a chance at a wonderful life. Many doubt that Nadya has the emotional maturity to provide this.And , I believe, time will show this to be true.(As has already been shown to be true with her previous 6)

What is the proof that she is an irresponsible mother with the 6 she has? That she chose to do another invitro? She was trying for a 7th child, not 14. It is so common for Arab (and Jewish and Mormon and Catholic ) families to have lots of children.

So is your proof that she could not afford the 6 she had? Well her family was affording them. In her Arab culture, many extended families stay together and work things out together financially. Not every Arab family, but for some.
Again, lots of parents do stupid things at 33 or even older. There is a thread that was started talking about a mom who leaves her DC in the car while running errands. Now, that's stupid!

The best thing for children is to remain with their biological mother, providing she is stable enough to care for them. Courts will look to see if the mom does not have the resources if she has help. In this case, she has her parents who have been helping her. Having invitro while single doesn't make you incapable of being a decent mother. Having invitro and expecting your parents to support them, if that is what's sometimes done in your culture, doesn't make you incapable of being a decent mother either.

I respectfully disagree. That's not very common in Arab culture. It is, however, absolutely uncommon among Arab families to have children out of wedlock....

She's a Christian Arab, not a Muslim Arab. This would be unheard of among Muslim Arabs if they follow their religion because it's forbidden in Islam to have a child through a sperm donor.

That's absolutely untrue.

What's your source?

My "source" is that I'm Arab and grew up in the Middle East (although not Iraq). The fact that she's unmarried is unheard of. Her method of impregnation is irrelevant. Religion, here, is secondary to culture. I don't care if she's Muslim or Christian.

And I'm only speaking of Arab culture here, because it was mentioned by someone else. I realize only her father is Arab and she grew up in the States. In my experience, however, first generation Arab American families do not act like this. It is completely bizarre.

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http://www.momversation.com/episodes/nadya-suleman-octomom

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quote] My "source" is that I'm Arab and grew up in the Middle East (although not Iraq). The fact that she's unmarried is unheard of. Her method of impregnation is irrelevant. Religion, here, is secondary to culture. I don't care if she's Muslim or Christian.

And I'm only speaking of Arab culture here, because it was mentioned by someone else. I realize only her father is Arab and she grew up in the States. In my experience, however, first generation Arab American families do not act like this. It is completely bizarre.

I don't think I ever said that her being unmarried is typical of Arab culture but that's what you are bringing up. What I said was that it is not uncommon for Arabs to have or want many children. Then I also mentioned that she's a Christian Arab, not a Muslim Arab and you wrote to say "That's absolutely not true." I understood this to be in response to my assertion that she is not Muslim. This has been a very long thread so I might have gotten some posts mixed up, but this is my understanding of our discussion.

Her parents names are Ed and Angela. These are not Muslim names. I don't know of any Muslims with these names. They usually have names such as Muhammad, Ali, Mahmood, Aziza, Fatima, etc...so likely her parents are not Muslim. This is what I was commenting about.

As for her bizarre behavior, I don't think anybody is arguing she's a bit bizarre - whether she's Arab, from Zimbabwe, or China. But the deep desire to have many children is common in Arab culture. I'm a Muslim, though not Arab. I go to our mosque (like a church) where many families have numerous children. The Imam of our mosque, the religious leader who is also Arab, is one of 7 children. Younger generations are less likely to have so many children if raised in the U.S. but among traditional Arabs having a lot of children isn't a shock. Now maybe not 14 and maybe not through invitro while single, but this goes to her psych issues and that's not under protest here.

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Are people using their hatred for Nadya to not support her babies?

[Anonymous]

It'll be interesting to hear what Dr. Phil says to Nadya on his show today. I think his take on it is that she is addicted to being pregnant. Nonetheless, it'll be interesting.

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Anonymous wrote:It'll be interesting to hear what Dr. Phil says to Nadya on his show today. I think his take on it is that she is addicted to being pregnant. Nonetheless, it'll be interesting.

Is she really scheduled to be on his show?

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Anonymous wrote:quote] My "source" is that I'm Arab and grew up in the Middle East (although not Iraq). The fact that she's unmarried is unheard of. Her method of impregnation is irrelevant. Religion, here, is secondary to culture. I don't care if she's Muslim or Christian.

And I'm only speaking of Arab culture here, because it was mentioned by someone else. I realize only her father is Arab and she grew up in the States. In my experience, however, first generation Arab American families do not act like this. It is completely bizarre.

I don't think I ever said that her being unmarried is typical of Arab culture but that's what you are bringing up. What I said was that it is not uncommon for Arabs to have or want many children. Then I also mentioned that she's a Christian Arab, not a Muslim Arab and you wrote to say "That's absolutely not true." I understood this to be in response to my assertion that she is not Muslim. This has been a very long thread so I might have gotten some posts mixed up, but this is my understanding of our discussion.

Her parents names are Ed and Angela. These are not Muslim names. I don't know of any Muslims with these names. They usually have names such as Muhammad, Ali, Mahmood, Aziza, Fatima, etc...so likely her parents are not Muslim. This is what I was commenting about.

As for her bizarre behavior, I don't think anybody is arguing she's a bit bizarre - whether she's Arab, from Zimbabwe, or China. But the deep desire to have many children is common in Arab culture. I'm a Muslim, though not Arab. I go to our mosque (like a church) where many families have numerous children. The Imam of our mosque, the religious leader who is also Arab, is one of 7 children. Younger generations are less likely to have so many children if raised in the U.S. but among traditional Arabs having a lot of children isn't a shock. Now maybe not 14 and maybe not through invitro while single, but this goes to her psych issues and that's not under protest here.

Assalamu alaikum, Sister.

We're talking about two different things for sure. I'm sorry for any misunderstanding. Her father is absolutely Christian. I have no idea about her mother, who is not Arab in any event.

My point was, as poorly as I made it, that among Arab families, marriage must happen first before babies. Regardless of religion. A woman would suffer a less-than-perfect marriage in order to have her children. They do so every day. Children are very much wanted, for sure.

I, as an Arab, just cannot wrap my mind around the fact she was having children (multiple!) out of wedlock. It is inconceivable to me and I would die a thousand deaths if my daughter, born here, ever did that. Child after child, year after year. It's a disaster in an Arab family. This is not to say that out of wedlock births don't happen here in the US among Arab families -- they do. And when they happen, in my experience, the families rally around the daughters and help raise the babies. But it happens once. Not six times. Not 14.

Now, how first generation Arab American families deal with the cultural differences in the States, that's the subject of many books and too long to get into here. However, Nadya's behavior is so gross, so over the top, it just cannot be comprehended.

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Anonymous wrote: Wow. Wow. Wow. With the mean-spiritness on this board, it makes me want to move to Europe permanently to be around more compassionate people.

I wouldn't idealize Europe, Europeans, and their thoughts. They, too, are tired of a welfare system that will soon get bankrupt, especially by "outsiders" who they feel are coming to Europe to suck it dry.

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Anonymous wrote:It'll be interesting to hear what Dr. Phil says to Nadya on his show today. I think his take on it is that she is addicted to being pregnant. Nonetheless, it'll be interesting.

Is she really scheduled to be on his show?

He met up with her for the interview. So yep, she's the star of the show today but no, she won't be physically in the show studio where the audience could have a free-for-all with her.

[Anonymous]

It should be a good show. I read earlier today that the hospital and social workers are evaluating whether or not she should be allowed to take the babies home.

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Anonymous wrote:What about the fact that the Octomom tricked the father into giving her sperm? She told him that she had cervical cancer, and she needed his sperm, pronto. She had all these embryos frozen since the first treatment too, so I think she wanted them all implanted at once, because she wanted to be the freak show she is.

IF this was credible it would have been all over CNN and Fox and the Assoc Press would have reported it. Likely it was reported on that other highly reputable source that the previous poster quoted from - ET.

Can there be any greater idiot who believes he must give up his sperm, pronto, because a friend has cervical cancer? I doubt it.

What also doesn't add up is this guy's statement that he wants to help the 14 kids, even if they aren't his. Give me a break.

[Anonymous]

Check out this exclusive interview with the mother:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/25/jimmy-kimmels-exclusive-i_n_169899.html