Was Paul Ryan's remark inarticulate or racist?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I watch Shameless a lot. I don't think I've seen a black person on that show. It's about the inner city and a culture of not working.

There's also deadbeat white trash on welfare. It's a cultural thing, not a race thing. In that culture, some people don't care about education and sneer at anyone who's educated as though they are some kind of snobby elite. Some people are lazy and try to game the system for every benefit they can finagle instead of working and will actually turn down a job offer because they can get benefits for nothing. That's sad reality. They needlessly and willfully abuse the social safety net that was originally created for those who genuinely need it. It wasn't created in order to allow able-bodied people to be lazy - and we can't afford to have a system that allows able-bodied people to be lazy on the taxpayer's nickel. There's a lot that needs to be fixed in society.

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He is worse than a real rich kid, he's a kid who grew up on government subsidies and benefits and now seems to spend most of his time and energy on making sure that as few people as possible are able to get same.

Government subsidies and benefits? Social Security benefits that his dad paid into by working?

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He is worse than a real rich kid, he's a kid who grew up on government subsidies and benefits and now seems to spend most of his time and energy on making sure that as few people as possible are able to get same.

Government subsidies and benefits? Social Security benefits that his dad paid into by working?

No, his dad died young. He got social security survivor benefits, which pay out in an amount greater than the retirement benefit.

[Anonymous]

No, his dad died young. He got social security survivor benefits, which pay out in an amount greater than the retirement benefit.

EXACTLY. It is Survivor's INSURANCE.

[Anonymous]

Cont. And you only collect until you are 18 or finish college. Believe me, if his dad had retired and lived to a ripe old age, he would have collected more.

[Anonymous]

Cont. And you only collect until you are 18 or finish college. Believe me, if his dad had retired and lived to a ripe old age, he would have collected more.

correction. This law was changed in 1981--college students do not get SS benefits. And, they only get 50% of what the worker would have received.

[Anonymous]

aren't white people kicking blacks out of inner cities?

the reason it was racist by paul ryan is because he later followed up with saying rural america has a problem too and then said it was due to a lack of jobs.

if he said inner cities and rural america faced the same challenges, then it would've been race neutral.

but he made city mouse out to be lazy and country mouse just out of luck.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cont. And you only collect until you are 18 or finish college. Believe me, if his dad had retired and lived to a ripe old age, he would have collected more.

brcayse he would have paid in for several more decades.

Look republicans either have to call unemployment insurance or welfare. Then be consistent when it comes to other insurance.

[Anonymous]

Men from the inner cities should earn their money the way Ryan did ... marry it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) said Thursday that his remarks on men not valuing work in the inner city were "inarticulate" and had nothing to do with race.

"We have got this tailspin of culture, in our inner cities in particular, of men not working and just generations of men not even thinking about working or learning the value and the culture of work," Ryan said. "There is a real culture problem here that has to be dealt with."

Daniel Patrick Moynihan wrote much the same thing over 40 years ago, in a well regarded article.

This behavior isn't just confined to the inner cities, i.e., poor blacks. In recent years, economists and sociologists have seen some of the same destructive behaviors and structures spreading to pool rural whites.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) said Thursday that his remarks on men not valuing work in the inner city were "inarticulate" and had nothing to do with race.

"We have got this tailspin of culture, in our inner cities in particular, of men not working and just generations of men not even thinking about working or learning the value and the culture of work," Ryan said. "There is a real culture problem here that has to be dealt with."

Daniel Patrick Moynihan wrote much the same thing over 40 years ago, in a well regarded article.

This behavior isn't just confined to the inner cities, i.e., poor blacks. In recent years, economists and sociologists have seen some of the same destructive behaviors and structures spreading to pool rural whites.

When he wrote it, he got a ton of criticism. Also the statistics he was citing on black families back then are now exceeded by white families.

[Anonymous]

Just as the N-work is considered beyond the pale, I'd like to see the expression "acting white" held in the same contempt. African-American kids in challenged circumstances who study hard and want to get ahead are accused of acting white. The response to the losers who throw such taunts around should be "why are you acting stupid?"

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Anonymous wrote:Bill Cosby pretty much says the same thing.

And Chris Rock.

Chris Rock saying it makes it true?
And when did Chris Rock say this?

Bill Cosby, Chris Rock, and many other members of this country's minority communities have the courage to challenge the narratives crafted by politicians to try to start meaningful, honest dialog on the issue of race.

They should be commended, not attacked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:aren't white people kicking blacks out of inner cities?

the reason it was racist by paul ryan is because he later followed up with saying rural america has a problem too and then said it was due to a lack of jobs.

if he said inner cities and rural america faced the same challenges, then it would've been race neutral.

but he made city mouse out to be lazy and country mouse just out of luck.

Exactly!!! The inner city black kids are lazy and don't want to or value work while the the Mississippi trailer welfare dad that likes to drink beer all day and molest his step daughter (white) is out of luck because XYZ manufacturing went away 20 years ago to China. Yes I know there are non blacks in the inner city just like there are blacks in trailers, but let's be real here, we all speak that language and if your don't you're in denial.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bill Cosby pretty much says the same thing.

And Chris Rock.

Chris Rock saying it makes it true?
And when did Chris Rock say this?

Bill Cosby, Chris Rock, and many other members of this country's minority communities have the courage to challenge the narratives crafted by politicians to try to start meaningful, honest dialog on the issue of race.

They should be commended, not attacked.

Well Bill Cosby said the Republican Congress was as bad as the segregationists of the 60's. That was 2013. So guess what, inner cities have a problem and the GOP does too.