NVSL A meets

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thursday night or sometimes even Friday morning for our pool.

+1 In years past, the coaches tried to make it a big reveal for 12U on Friday.

That’s stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hunger Games style cannon and holographic projection above the pool to announce.

Top 100 team

I see you and I appreciate you.

[Anonymous]

Top 100 team FTW! An instant classic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe it has been mentioned but do teams in NVSL use SwimTopia? Parents can mark their kid as available or not for an A meet in SwimTopia then when someone on the team loads the kids’ events for that A meet, SwimTopia shows the events for parents to see. All this emailing and calling around to every family sounds very Manual and time consuming.

We do, but it's new this year so everyone is still getting used to it. Not everyone has downloaded the app. Parents still have to log in to declare availability. We don't publish the entries until everything is finalized, and parents expressed that they prefer getting an email with the info rather than a notification that the entries are published and then having to log in to look at them.

We may gradually move to a more Swimtopia- automated approach, but it'll take more than the first week to get everyone used to it.

We get the list of A meet swimmers on Wednesday night. Then our team reps lock Swimtopia down until they have seen the other team’s list of swimmers and have made the final decisions of who swims what for our team. So we effectively see SwimTopia at the same time we get the email with Saturday assignments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe it has been mentioned but do teams in NVSL use SwimTopia? Parents can mark their kid as available or not for an A meet in SwimTopia then when someone on the team loads the kids’ events for that A meet, SwimTopia shows the events for parents to see. All this emailing and calling around to every family sounds very Manual and time consuming.

We do, but it's new this year so everyone is still getting used to it. Not everyone has downloaded the app. Parents still have to log in to declare availability. We don't publish the entries until everything is finalized, and parents expressed that they prefer getting an email with the info rather than a notification that the entries are published and then having to log in to look at them.

We may gradually move to a more Swimtopia- automated approach, but it'll take more than the first week to get everyone used to it.

We get the list of A meet swimmers on Wednesday night. Then our team reps lock Swimtopia down until they have seen the other team’s list of swimmers and have made the final decisions of who swims what for our team. So we effectively see SwimTopia at the same time we get the email with Saturday assignments.

That approach would violate the strict data exchange rules for NVSL. Teams cannot see the other team’s roster until its own seeding is locked and submitted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe it has been mentioned but do teams in NVSL use SwimTopia? Parents can mark their kid as available or not for an A meet in SwimTopia then when someone on the team loads the kids’ events for that A meet, SwimTopia shows the events for parents to see. All this emailing and calling around to every family sounds very Manual and time consuming.

We do, but it's new this year so everyone is still getting used to it. Not everyone has downloaded the app. Parents still have to log in to declare availability. We don't publish the entries until everything is finalized, and parents expressed that they prefer getting an email with the info rather than a notification that the entries are published and then having to log in to look at them.

We may gradually move to a more Swimtopia- automated approach, but it'll take more than the first week to get everyone used to it.

We get the list of A meet swimmers on Wednesday night. Then our team reps lock Swimtopia down until they have seen the other team’s list of swimmers and have made the final decisions of who swims what for our team. So we effectively see SwimTopia at the same time we get the email with Saturday assignments.

That approach would violate the strict data exchange rules for NVSL. Teams cannot see the other team’s roster until its own seeding is locked and submitted.

PP probably meant this in reverse. Swimtopia is locked down for parents to see until reps have exchanged the lists with the other team, and then parents see both the list of swimmers’ events and unlock SwimTopia. Otherwise, parents mess around in SwimTopia while reps are still noodling who will swim what.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe it has been mentioned but do teams in NVSL use SwimTopia? Parents can mark their kid as available or not for an A meet in SwimTopia then when someone on the team loads the kids’ events for that A meet, SwimTopia shows the events for parents to see. All this emailing and calling around to every family sounds very Manual and time consuming.

We do, but it's new this year so everyone is still getting used to it. Not everyone has downloaded the app. Parents still have to log in to declare availability. We don't publish the entries until everything is finalized, and parents expressed that they prefer getting an email with the info rather than a notification that the entries are published and then having to log in to look at them.

We may gradually move to a more Swimtopia- automated approach, but it'll take more than the first week to get everyone used to it.

We get the list of A meet swimmers on Wednesday night. Then our team reps lock Swimtopia down until they have seen the other team’s list of swimmers and have made the final decisions of who swims what for our team. So we effectively see SwimTopia at the same time we get the email with Saturday assignments.

That approach would violate the strict data exchange rules for NVSL. Teams cannot see the other team’s roster until its own seeding is locked and submitted.

The rule requires:

4. ENTRY LISTS FOR TEAM MEETS
a. Each team shall prepare one list marked as the “Firm Entry List” containing the first and last names of each swimmer. These lists shall
be exchanged by designated Team Reps of the competing teams at a mutually agreeable time not later than 24 hours prior to the time of the meet. . . .

b. Firm entry lists shall be prepared and exchanged in good faith. Fictitious swimmers shall not be entered. Faster swimmers expected to compete shall not be left off the firm entry list.

Note: the names of faster or fastest swimmers should be entered even when their participation is doubtful due to illness or probable absence. If they are not entered and they become available to participate, Rule 5b (3) may prevent their entry as a substitute.

c. Team Reps shall examine the firm entry lists of the opposing teams prior to the meet. If the firm entry list has an obvious irregularity, that irregularity may be corrected by agreement of the competing Team Reps.

d. If an irregularity in a firm entry list is detected prior to swimming the event, the ineligible swimmer shall be scratched from that event, and no substitute shall be permitted. If a scratch due to an entry list irregularity occurs in a relay event, no substitution shall be permitted for the ineligible swimmer. If the Team Reps are unable to agree that there is an irregularity, the swimmer shall be allowed to compete under protest.

e. If a swimmer is entered in more than two individual events, the swimmer shall be scratched from the later entered individual event(s) and no substitute(s) shall be permitted. A swimmer who is entered in more than one age group relay shall be scratched from the later entered age group relay(s) and no substitute(s) shall be permitted.

g. Relay swimmers are not required to swim in the order in which their names are listed. (Rule 12c3 has age group order of Mixed-Age Relays.)

5. SUBSTITUTIONS AND SCRATCHES

a. All Meets

(1) A swimmer shall not be moved from one event to another under any circumstances.

(2) Coaches or Team Reps shall submit their written scratches and substitutions to the Officials listed on the Scratch-Substitution Form
prior to the start of the meet or as far in advance of the applicable event as possible. Inadvertent failure to report a substitution shall not disqualify the substitute swimmer.

(3) An event shall not be delayed in order to permit substitutions after the meet has begun.

(4) An event shall not be reseeded because of substitutions.

b. Team Meets

(1) No additions, deletions or other changes shall be made to the firm entry lists after they have been exchanged except as authorized by these rules.

(2) Substitutions may be made in individual events and relays only because of swimmers’ sickness, injury, or absence under the conditions stated in Rule 5b(3) below. (See also Rule 4b.)

A Scratch-Substitution Form submitted prior to the start of the meet or in advance of a particular event may be rescinded or revised by a Team Rep before the event in question provided the revision does not violate Rule 5 b(4).

(3) In individual events, a swimmer with a faster time shall not be entered as a substitute for a swimmer with a slower time achieved in an individual event for the same stroke. For the purpose of this rule, times shall be achieved in NVSL dual or tri-meets during the current season excluding the meet in progress. This rule shall not prohibit a substitution when either swimmer does not have such a time. Times of disqualified swimmers shall not be considered under this rule.

(4) A swimmer who is scratched AND for whom a substitute swims shall be ineligible to compete in any subsequent event, including relays, during the meet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe it has been mentioned but do teams in NVSL use SwimTopia? Parents can mark their kid as available or not for an A meet in SwimTopia then when someone on the team loads the kids’ events for that A meet, SwimTopia shows the events for parents to see. All this emailing and calling around to every family sounds very Manual and time consuming.

We do, but it's new this year so everyone is still getting used to it. Not everyone has downloaded the app. Parents still have to log in to declare availability. We don't publish the entries until everything is finalized, and parents expressed that they prefer getting an email with the info rather than a notification that the entries are published and then having to log in to look at them.

We may gradually move to a more Swimtopia- automated approach, but it'll take more than the first week to get everyone used to it.

We get the list of A meet swimmers on Wednesday night. Then our team reps lock Swimtopia down until they have seen the other team’s list of swimmers and have made the final decisions of who swims what for our team. So we effectively see SwimTopia at the same time we get the email with Saturday assignments.

That approach would violate the strict data exchange rules for NVSL. Teams cannot see the other team’s roster until its own seeding is locked and submitted.

The rule requires:

4. ENTRY LISTS FOR TEAM MEETS
a. Each team shall prepare one list marked as the “Firm Entry List” containing the first and last names of each swimmer. These lists shall
be exchanged by designated Team Reps of the competing teams at a mutually agreeable time not later than 24 hours prior to the time of the meet. . . .

b. Firm entry lists shall be prepared and exchanged in good faith. Fictitious swimmers shall not be entered. Faster swimmers expected to compete shall not be left off the firm entry list.

Note: the names of faster or fastest swimmers should be entered even when their participation is doubtful due to illness or probable absence. If they are not entered and they become available to participate, Rule 5b (3) may prevent their entry as a substitute.

c. Team Reps shall examine the firm entry lists of the opposing teams prior to the meet. If the firm entry list has an obvious irregularity, that irregularity may be corrected by agreement of the competing Team Reps.

d. If an irregularity in a firm entry list is detected prior to swimming the event, the ineligible swimmer shall be scratched from that event, and no substitute shall be permitted. If a scratch due to an entry list irregularity occurs in a relay event, no substitution shall be permitted for the ineligible swimmer. If the Team Reps are unable to agree that there is an irregularity, the swimmer shall be allowed to compete under protest.

e. If a swimmer is entered in more than two individual events, the swimmer shall be scratched from the later entered individual event(s) and no substitute(s) shall be permitted. A swimmer who is entered in more than one age group relay shall be scratched from the later entered age group relay(s) and no substitute(s) shall be permitted.

g. Relay swimmers are not required to swim in the order in which their names are listed. (Rule 12c3 has age group order of Mixed-Age Relays.)

5. SUBSTITUTIONS AND SCRATCHES

a. All Meets

(1) A swimmer shall not be moved from one event to another under any circumstances.

(2) Coaches or Team Reps shall submit their written scratches and substitutions to the Officials listed on the Scratch-Substitution Form
prior to the start of the meet or as far in advance of the applicable event as possible. Inadvertent failure to report a substitution shall not disqualify the substitute swimmer.

(3) An event shall not be delayed in order to permit substitutions after the meet has begun.

(4) An event shall not be reseeded because of substitutions.

b. Team Meets

(1) No additions, deletions or other changes shall be made to the firm entry lists after they have been exchanged except as authorized by these rules.

(2) Substitutions may be made in individual events and relays only because of swimmers’ sickness, injury, or absence under the conditions stated in Rule 5b(3) below. (See also Rule 4b.)

A Scratch-Substitution Form submitted prior to the start of the meet or in advance of a particular event may be rescinded or revised by a Team Rep before the event in question provided the revision does not violate Rule 5 b(4).

(3) In individual events, a swimmer with a faster time shall not be entered as a substitute for a swimmer with a slower time achieved in an individual event for the same stroke. For the purpose of this rule, times shall be achieved in NVSL dual or tri-meets during the current season excluding the meet in progress. This rule shall not prohibit a substitution when either swimmer does not have such a time. Times of disqualified swimmers shall not be considered under this rule.

(4) A swimmer who is scratched AND for whom a substitute swims shall be ineligible to compete in any subsequent event, including relays, during the meet.

Right, that’s my point. Can’t tell if you’re supporting or disputing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe it has been mentioned but do teams in NVSL use SwimTopia? Parents can mark their kid as available or not for an A meet in SwimTopia then when someone on the team loads the kids’ events for that A meet, SwimTopia shows the events for parents to see. All this emailing and calling around to every family sounds very Manual and time consuming.

We do, but it's new this year so everyone is still getting used to it. Not everyone has downloaded the app. Parents still have to log in to declare availability. We don't publish the entries until everything is finalized, and parents expressed that they prefer getting an email with the info rather than a notification that the entries are published and then having to log in to look at them.

We may gradually move to a more Swimtopia- automated approach, but it'll take more than the first week to get everyone used to it.

We get the list of A meet swimmers on Wednesday night. Then our team reps lock Swimtopia down until they have seen the other team’s list of swimmers and have made the final decisions of who swims what for our team. So we effectively see SwimTopia at the same time we get the email with Saturday assignments.

That approach would violate the strict data exchange rules for NVSL. Teams cannot see the other team’s roster until its own seeding is locked and submitted.

My understanding is that with Swimtopia you can't even do this as teams can not see the other team's entries until BOTH teams have locked them in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe it has been mentioned but do teams in NVSL use SwimTopia? Parents can mark their kid as available or not for an A meet in SwimTopia then when someone on the team loads the kids’ events for that A meet, SwimTopia shows the events for parents to see. All this emailing and calling around to every family sounds very Manual and time consuming.

We do, but it's new this year so everyone is still getting used to it. Not everyone has downloaded the app. Parents still have to log in to declare availability. We don't publish the entries until everything is finalized, and parents expressed that they prefer getting an email with the info rather than a notification that the entries are published and then having to log in to look at them.

We may gradually move to a more Swimtopia- automated approach, but it'll take more than the first week to get everyone used to it.

We get the list of A meet swimmers on Wednesday night. Then our team reps lock Swimtopia down until they have seen the other team’s list of swimmers and have made the final decisions of who swims what for our team. So we effectively see SwimTopia at the same time we get the email with Saturday assignments.

That approach would violate the strict data exchange rules for NVSL. Teams cannot see the other team’s roster until its own seeding is locked and submitted.

My understanding is that with Swimtopia you can't even do this as teams can not see the other team's entries until BOTH teams have locked them in.

That has been the case for at least the 8 years I’ve been volunteering for the NVSL. Teams cannot see entries from the other team until they’re locked. This prevents teams from changing their lineups after seeing who’s swimming (and what) for the opponent.
In the past, they were locked and sent to a neutral data coordinator for the division to merge and create heat sheets. I think this is now done via SwimTopia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Former team rep for a high division NVSL team - I can assure you that I had no input into the meet sheet for A meets. Our team lets the coach pick the line-up. The team reps for our team only intervene if a swimmer we know is unavailable for the meet is selected. I wouldn't be on a swim team where a team rep had that kind of power. We also publish our ladder so the A meet selection process is very transparent.

Wow, wish our D1 team would publish a ladder. We have no idea how the kids stack up and there is no transparency. It’s like Oz behind a curtain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Former team rep for a high division NVSL team - I can assure you that I had no input into the meet sheet for A meets. Our team lets the coach pick the line-up. The team reps for our team only intervene if a swimmer we know is unavailable for the meet is selected. I wouldn't be on a swim team where a team rep had that kind of power. We also publish our ladder so the A meet selection process is very transparent.

Wow, wish our D1 team would publish a ladder. We have no idea how the kids stack up and there is no transparency. It’s like Oz behind a curtain.

Which d1 team? Ours is old school and it’s in a binder by the pool front desk. I’m surprised the other d1 teams aren’t more advanced

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Former team rep for a high division NVSL team - I can assure you that I had no input into the meet sheet for A meets. Our team lets the coach pick the line-up. The team reps for our team only intervene if a swimmer we know is unavailable for the meet is selected. I wouldn't be on a swim team where a team rep had that kind of power. We also publish our ladder so the A meet selection process is very transparent.

Wow, wish our D1 team would publish a ladder. We have no idea how the kids stack up and there is no transparency. It’s like Oz behind a curtain.

If your team manages to stay in D1 it's safe to say coaches are consistently making the right calls on which kids are swimming. Why bother getting worked up over what goes on behind the curtain if it all works out in the end anyway?

[Anonymous]

We swim on a team that does not publish a ladder. However, I often do the place recording so I know where my kid stacks against other kids. The A meet slots have been assigned for tomorrow and my kid is swimming only one stroke, and another kid is swimming two strokes, and I know my kid is faster than that kid in one of the strokes. My kid was faster in that stroke at the end of last year, and was faster at both time trials and the B meet this week. What could be the reason my kid would not be chosen for the faster stroke? This other kid always swims two strokes in the A meets and my kid is newer to the team and doesn't have as much experience in the A meets. Could that be why?

I am sure the coaches have a reason so just wondering from others with more experience why they wouldn't just chose based on time? I would never in a million years ask or complain to the coaches or speak to another parent about it but it really bothers me so I am asking here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We swim on a team that does not publish a ladder. However, I often do the place recording so I know where my kid stacks against other kids. The A meet slots have been assigned for tomorrow and my kid is swimming only one stroke, and another kid is swimming two strokes, and I know my kid is faster than that kid in one of the strokes. My kid was faster in that stroke at the end of last year, and was faster at both time trials and the B meet this week. What could be the reason my kid would not be chosen for the faster stroke? This other kid always swims two strokes in the A meets and my kid is newer to the team and doesn't have as much experience in the A meets. Could that be why?

I am sure the coaches have a reason so just wondering from others with more experience why they wouldn't just chose based on time? I would never in a million years ask or complain to the coaches or speak to another parent about it but it really bothers me so I am asking here.

Unless they are very young and inconsistent at the stroke, this is a mistake. You should email your team rep and ask. If they ARE young or inexperienced, it could be that your swimmer should have been DQ'd, but S&T was being 'nice' and didn't do it, but coaches saw.