NVSL A meets

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Anonymous wrote:Former team rep for a high division NVSL team - I can assure you that I had no input into the meet sheet for A meets. Our team lets the coach pick the line-up. The team reps for our team only intervene if a swimmer we know is unavailable for the meet is selected. I wouldn't be on a swim team where a team rep had that kind of power. We also publish our ladder so the A meet selection process is very transparent.

Wow, wish our D1 team would publish a ladder. We have no idea how the kids stack up and there is no transparency. It’s like Oz behind a curtain.

Which d1 team? Ours is old school and it’s in a binder by the pool front desk. I’m surprised the other d1 teams aren’t more advanced

OKM gets a full ladder after every single meet, as well as time improvements, etc.

As they should. I don't know why every team wouldn't do that. Why hide times?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:teams were requested not to publish a meet results on swimtopia until they could be "certified"

That’s incorrect. Where did you hear that?

From our data coordinator. She was told it was from the NVSL - but maybe other poster was correct and it came from our division coordinator?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:teams were requested not to publish a meet results on swimtopia until they could be "certified"

That’s incorrect. Where did you hear that?

From our data coordinator. She was told it was from the NVSL - but maybe other poster was correct and it came from our division coordinator?

That could be. It wasn't a league-wide directive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Former team rep for a high division NVSL team - I can assure you that I had no input into the meet sheet for A meets. Our team lets the coach pick the line-up. The team reps for our team only intervene if a swimmer we know is unavailable for the meet is selected. I wouldn't be on a swim team where a team rep had that kind of power. We also publish our ladder so the A meet selection process is very transparent.

Wow, wish our D1 team would publish a ladder. We have no idea how the kids stack up and there is no transparency. It’s like Oz behind a curtain.

After time trials and one B meet,
All you had to do to know where your kid stacks up in their age group is pay attention. Pro tip: read the time boards with the spinning number wheel after heats of each relevant event.

Pro tip from the lazy parent who isn't volunteering. Unless you're working tables, volunteers can't see every lane of every heat to keep track of all the times.

Uhh timers can see every lane’s timing board. Pro tip: turn around. Table workers, announcers get times handed to them. Marshals either don’t have to move or have to move a few feet in order to see any relevant times.

The lane one timer better not be wandering over to lane six to read some other kid's time and delaying the start of the next event. And then writing it down somewhere? Why isn't the answer just providing the data team-wide again?

Exactly. If you have the data, just freakin’ share it already. Other teams can and do. Why is this asking too much?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:teams were requested not to publish a meet results on swimtopia until they could be "certified"

That’s incorrect. Where did you hear that?

From our data coordinator. She was told it was from the NVSL - but maybe other poster was correct and it came from our division coordinator?

This is pretty common. Teams / Team Reps like to use an ambiguous central planning committee (NVSL or the league) as cover rather than pointing to an individual (themself or the DC) who is making these questionable calls.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Former team rep for a high division NVSL team - I can assure you that I had no input into the meet sheet for A meets. Our team lets the coach pick the line-up. The team reps for our team only intervene if a swimmer we know is unavailable for the meet is selected. I wouldn't be on a swim team where a team rep had that kind of power. We also publish our ladder so the A meet selection process is very transparent.

Wow, wish our D1 team would publish a ladder. We have no idea how the kids stack up and there is no transparency. It’s like Oz behind a curtain.

After time trials and one B meet,
All you had to do to know where your kid stacks up in their age group is pay attention. Pro tip: read the time boards with the spinning number wheel after heats of each relevant event.

Pro tip from the lazy parent who isn't volunteering. Unless you're working tables, volunteers can't see every lane of every heat to keep track of all the times.

Uhh timers can see every lane’s timing board. Pro tip: turn around. Table workers, announcers get times handed to them. Marshals either don’t have to move or have to move a few feet in order to see any relevant times.

The lane one timer better not be wandering over to lane six to read some other kid's time and delaying the start of the next event. And then writing it down somewhere? Why isn't the answer just providing the data team-wide again?

Exactly. If you have the data, just freakin’ share it already. Other teams can and do. Why is this asking too much?

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Former team rep for a high division NVSL team - I can assure you that I had no input into the meet sheet for A meets. Our team lets the coach pick the line-up. The team reps for our team only intervene if a swimmer we know is unavailable for the meet is selected. I wouldn't be on a swim team where a team rep had that kind of power. We also publish our ladder so the A meet selection process is very transparent.

Wow, wish our D1 team would publish a ladder. We have no idea how the kids stack up and there is no transparency. It’s like Oz behind a curtain.

After time trials and one B meet,
All you had to do to know where your kid stacks up in their age group is pay attention. Pro tip: read the time boards with the spinning number wheel after heats of each relevant event.

Pro tip from the lazy parent who isn't volunteering. Unless you're working tables, volunteers can't see every lane of every heat to keep track of all the times.

Uhh timers can see every lane’s timing board. Pro tip: turn around. Table workers, announcers get times handed to them. Marshals either don’t have to move or have to move a few feet in order to see any relevant times.

The lane one timer better not be wandering over to lane six to read some other kid's time and delaying the start of the next event. And then writing it down somewhere? Why isn't the answer just providing the data team-wide again?

You don’t need to walk all the way across the pool to see another lane’s timing board. Two steps forward does the trick.

And writing it down? If you are so concerned about your child’s position on the ladder and don’t remember their time, this is a you problem. Little Johnny ‘s time is 42.59. If you see faster,
Johnny has moved down a peg. Slower, and Lil John’s position remains.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Former team rep for a high division NVSL team - I can assure you that I had no input into the meet sheet for A meets. Our team lets the coach pick the line-up. The team reps for our team only intervene if a swimmer we know is unavailable for the meet is selected. I wouldn't be on a swim team where a team rep had that kind of power. We also publish our ladder so the A meet selection process is very transparent.

Wow, wish our D1 team would publish a ladder. We have no idea how the kids stack up and there is no transparency. It’s like Oz behind a curtain.

After time trials and one B meet,
All you had to do to know where your kid stacks up in their age group is pay attention. Pro tip: read the time boards with the spinning number wheel after heats of each relevant event.

Pro tip from the lazy parent who isn't volunteering. Unless you're working tables, volunteers can't see every lane of every heat to keep track of all the times.

Uhh timers can see every lane’s timing board. Pro tip: turn around. Table workers, announcers get times handed to them. Marshals either don’t have to move or have to move a few feet in order to see any relevant times.

The lane one timer better not be wandering over to lane six to read some other kid's time and delaying the start of the next event. And then writing it down somewhere? Why isn't the answer just providing the data team-wide again?

You don’t need to walk all the way across the pool to see another lane’s timing board. Two steps forward does the trick.

And writing it down? If you are so concerned about your child’s position on the ladder and don’t remember their time, this is a you problem. Little Johnny ‘s time is 42.59. If you see faster,
Johnny has moved down a peg. Slower, and Lil John’s position remains.

Seems like a lot of hassle for something that can just be published.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Former team rep for a high division NVSL team - I can assure you that I had no input into the meet sheet for A meets. Our team lets the coach pick the line-up. The team reps for our team only intervene if a swimmer we know is unavailable for the meet is selected. I wouldn't be on a swim team where a team rep had that kind of power. We also publish our ladder so the A meet selection process is very transparent.

Wow, wish our D1 team would publish a ladder. We have no idea how the kids stack up and there is no transparency. It’s like Oz behind a curtain.

After time trials and one B meet,
All you had to do to know where your kid stacks up in their age group is pay attention. Pro tip: read the time boards with the spinning number wheel after heats of each relevant event.

Pro tip from the lazy parent who isn't volunteering. Unless you're working tables, volunteers can't see every lane of every heat to keep track of all the times.

Uhh timers can see every lane’s timing board. Pro tip: turn around. Table workers, announcers get times handed to them. Marshals either don’t have to move or have to move a few feet in order to see any relevant times.

The lane one timer better not be wandering over to lane six to read some other kid's time and delaying the start of the next event. And then writing it down somewhere? Why isn't the answer just providing the data team-wide again?

You don’t need to walk all the way across the pool to see another lane’s timing board. Two steps forward does the trick.

And writing it down? If you are so concerned about your child’s position on the ladder and don’t remember their time, this is a you problem. Little Johnny ‘s time is 42.59. If you see faster,
Johnny has moved down a peg. Slower, and Lil John’s position remains.

Seems like a lot of hassle for something that can just be published.

I’m not arguing that it can be published. If it’s not, looking at the board is basically no effort. Maybe you have to take two steps in oder to see. But looking at the board is not a lot of hassle.

[Anonymous]

None of the teams in our B meet group use the timing boards at the end of each lane for B Meets. They only come out for A meets.

The meets take long enough as it is, nobody wants to add tasks that slow things down. Especially if the result is timers from Lane 1 getting distracted by trying to look at the timing board in Lane 6!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:None of the teams in our B meet group use the timing boards at the end of each lane for B Meets. They only come out for A meets.

The meets take long enough as it is, nobody wants to add tasks that slow things down. Especially if the result is timers from Lane 1 getting distracted by trying to look at the timing board in Lane 6!

That’s a bit lazy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Former team rep for a high division NVSL team - I can assure you that I had no input into the meet sheet for A meets. Our team lets the coach pick the line-up. The team reps for our team only intervene if a swimmer we know is unavailable for the meet is selected. I wouldn't be on a swim team where a team rep had that kind of power. We also publish our ladder so the A meet selection process is very transparent.

Wow, wish our D1 team would publish a ladder. We have no idea how the kids stack up and there is no transparency. It’s like Oz behind a curtain.

After time trials and one B meet,
All you had to do to know where your kid stacks up in their age group is pay attention. Pro tip: read the time boards with the spinning number wheel after heats of each relevant event.

Pro tip from the lazy parent who isn't volunteering. Unless you're working tables, volunteers can't see every lane of every heat to keep track of all the times.

Uhh timers can see every lane’s timing board. Pro tip: turn around. Table workers, announcers get times handed to them. Marshals either don’t have to move or have to move a few feet in order to see any relevant times.

The lane one timer better not be wandering over to lane six to read some other kid's time and delaying the start of the next event. And then writing it down somewhere? Why isn't the answer just providing the data team-wide again?

Exactly. If you have the data, just freakin’ share it already. Other teams can and do. Why is this asking too much?

1. Control
2. A sense of power in a recreational league, "just for fun" league meant to attract people to the sport
3. Shady coaching and shady decision making

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Former team rep for a high division NVSL team - I can assure you that I had no input into the meet sheet for A meets. Our team lets the coach pick the line-up. The team reps for our team only intervene if a swimmer we know is unavailable for the meet is selected. I wouldn't be on a swim team where a team rep had that kind of power. We also publish our ladder so the A meet selection process is very transparent.

Wow, wish our D1 team would publish a ladder. We have no idea how the kids stack up and there is no transparency. It’s like Oz behind a curtain.

After time trials and one B meet,
All you had to do to know where your kid stacks up in their age group is pay attention. Pro tip: read the time boards with the spinning number wheel after heats of each relevant event.

Pro tip from the lazy parent who isn't volunteering. Unless you're working tables, volunteers can't see every lane of every heat to keep track of all the times.

Uhh timers can see every lane’s timing board. Pro tip: turn around. Table workers, announcers get times handed to them. Marshals either don’t have to move or have to move a few feet in order to see any relevant times.

The lane one timer better not be wandering over to lane six to read some other kid's time and delaying the start of the next event. And then writing it down somewhere? Why isn't the answer just providing the data team-wide again?

Exactly. If you have the data, just freakin’ share it already. Other teams can and do. Why is this asking too much?

1. Control
2. A sense of power in a recreational league, "just for fun" league meant to attract people to the sport
3. Shady coaching and shady decision making

Counter argument - if it is just for fun than why do you care so much? You sound like you are probably the reason we can't have nice things.