how many of us did not see close MAGA family members this holiday season?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have not spoken to my 83 and 82 year old parents for 9 months because they are fully in the MAGA cult.
We live in DC and our lives, jobs and income have been personally impacted by this administration.
We did not call them or see them this holiday season for the first time in my 51 years. My brother was the same.

Anyone else? I pretend to not care but it's just awful.

Your choice to not see them is awful. They could die at any time, and you're allowing Trump and politics to keep you from seeing your aging parents. I can't stand Trump either, but I would never refuse to be with my parents.

+1. Please reconsider this OP. You may have terrible regrets one day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have not spoken to my 83 and 82 year old parents for 9 months because they are fully in the MAGA cult.
We live in DC and our lives, jobs and income have been personally impacted by this administration.
We did not call them or see them this holiday season for the first time in my 51 years. My brother was the same.

Anyone else? I pretend to not care but it's just awful.

Not even call them? You're a real piece of work.

As someone with parents like this I can relate. They are choosing to support policies that hurt their own kids and descendants. At 80-something the world is no longer theirs. What they vote for could destroy their grandkids. They could support Trump and cheer on Vought and pass away the following year. They will never experience the fallout.

Have you ever heard the saying "can't teach an old dog new tricks"? Our elderly parents and grandparents are going to watch their Fox News and MSNBC every night and they're going to vote for any bag of bones with an R or D next to their names no matter what we say or do.

The political revolution we need will start with our youngest generations. They are more open to seeing our awful political climate for what it is. The elderly folks are not changing their ways and they don't care what you or I think.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have not spoken to my 83 and 82 year old parents for 9 months because they are fully in the MAGA cult.
We live in DC and our lives, jobs and income have been personally impacted by this administration.
We did not call them or see them this holiday season for the first time in my 51 years. My brother was the same.

Anyone else? I pretend to not care but it's just awful.

Not even call them? You're a real piece of work.

As someone with parents like this I can relate. They are choosing to support policies that hurt their own kids and descendants. At 80-something the world is no longer theirs. What they vote for could destroy their grandkids. They could support Trump and cheer on Vought and pass away the following year. They will never experience the fallout.

Have you ever heard the saying "can't teach an old dog new tricks"? Our elderly parents and grandparents are going to watch their Fox News and MSNBC every night and they're going to vote for any bag of bones with an R or D next to their names no matter what we say or do.

The political revolution we need will start with our youngest generations. They are more open to seeing our awful political climate for what it is. The elderly folks are not changing their ways and they don't care what you or I think.

And many of us can’t quite stomach agreeing to this every holiday: “you cheer on the loss of my job but please pass the potato salad.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have not spoken to my 83 and 82 year old parents for 9 months because they are fully in the MAGA cult.
We live in DC and our lives, jobs and income have been personally impacted by this administration.
We did not call them or see them this holiday season for the first time in my 51 years. My brother was the same.

Anyone else? I pretend to not care but it's just awful.

Not even call them? You're a real piece of work.

As someone with parents like this I can relate. They are choosing to support policies that hurt their own kids and descendants. At 80-something the world is no longer theirs. What they vote for could destroy their grandkids. They could support Trump and cheer on Vought and pass away the following year. They will never experience the fallout.

Have you ever heard the saying "can't teach an old dog new tricks"? Our elderly parents and grandparents are going to watch their Fox News and MSNBC every night and they're going to vote for any bag of bones with an R or D next to their names no matter what we say or do.

The political revolution we need will start with our youngest generations. They are more open to seeing our awful political climate for what it is. The elderly folks are not changing their ways and they don't care what you or I think.

Their allegiance reflects poor character and a lack of concern for the welfare of their own family members.

[Anonymous]

OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

FOX and the Christian Nationalist machine have successfully created a new branch of Christianity. What it’s called, who the fxk knows.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have not spoken to my 83 and 82 year old parents for 9 months because they are fully in the MAGA cult.
We live in DC and our lives, jobs and income have been personally impacted by this administration.
We did not call them or see them this holiday season for the first time in my 51 years. My brother was the same.

Anyone else? I pretend to not care but it's just awful.

Not even call them? You're a real piece of work.

As someone with parents like this I can relate. They are choosing to support policies that hurt their own kids and descendants. At 80-something the world is no longer theirs. What they vote for could destroy their grandkids. They could support Trump and cheer on Vought and pass away the following year. They will never experience the fallout.

Have you ever heard the saying "can't teach an old dog new tricks"? Our elderly parents and grandparents are going to watch their Fox News and MSNBC every night and they're going to vote for any bag of bones with an R or D next to their names no matter what we say or do.

The political revolution we need will start with our youngest generations. They are more open to seeing our awful political climate for what it is. The elderly folks are not changing their ways and they don't care what you or I think.

Their allegiance reflects poor character and a lack of concern for the welfare of their own family members.

I've had the privilege of living with and/or having very close ties with people in their 70s and 80s for much of my almost 60 years. They are a blessing to have around but they're stuck in their ways. All of them. If they've lived in an R or D political bubble for decades, they aren't seeing and feeling what you're describing and isn't because they lack concern for the welfare of their families. If we're lucky to live to an elderly age, we'll be the same way and with any luck, the younger folks around us will be patient and understanding of our stubborn ways. It's the cycle of life.

[Anonymous]

Why do MAGA get so triggered that decent people don’t want to be around them? The screeching is next-level.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have not spoken to my 83 and 82 year old parents for 9 months because they are fully in the MAGA cult.
We live in DC and our lives, jobs and income have been personally impacted by this administration.
We did not call them or see them this holiday season for the first time in my 51 years. My brother was the same.

Anyone else? I pretend to not care but it's just awful.

Not even call them? You're a real piece of work.

As someone with parents like this I can relate. They are choosing to support policies that hurt their own kids and descendants. At 80-something the world is no longer theirs. What they vote for could destroy their grandkids. They could support Trump and cheer on Vought and pass away the following year. They will never experience the fallout.

Have you ever heard the saying "can't teach an old dog new tricks"? Our elderly parents and grandparents are going to watch their Fox News and MSNBC every night and they're going to vote for any bag of bones with an R or D next to their names no matter what we say or do.

The political revolution we need will start with our youngest generations. They are more open to seeing our awful political climate for what it is. The elderly folks are not changing their ways and they don't care what you or I think.

Their allegiance reflects poor character and a lack of concern for the welfare of their own family members.

I've had the privilege of living with and/or having very close ties with people in their 70s and 80s for much of my almost 60 years. They are a blessing to have around but they're stuck in their ways. All of them. If they've lived in an R or D political bubble for decades, they aren't seeing and feeling what you're describing and isn't because they lack concern for the welfare of their families. If we're lucky to live to an elderly age, we'll be the same way and with any luck, the younger folks around us will be patient and understanding of our stubborn ways. It's the cycle of life.

I tend to believe we become more of who we really are as we age, unless we don’t want to be purposefully cruel, or racist, or classist, or cheap, or jealous. I’ve heard my previous elderly MAGA relatives spew racist crap all their lives and now they’re just letting it rip at 75. It’s who they have always been— now the filter is falling apart. It’s not stubborn — it’s just who they are as people. It’s not a blessing to listen to snd I remove my kids from the room.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have not spoken to my 83 and 82 year old parents for 9 months because they are fully in the MAGA cult.
We live in DC and our lives, jobs and income have been personally impacted by this administration.
We did not call them or see them this holiday season for the first time in my 51 years. My brother was the same.

Anyone else? I pretend to not care but it's just awful.

Not even call them? You're a real piece of work.

As someone with parents like this I can relate. They are choosing to support policies that hurt their own kids and descendants. At 80-something the world is no longer theirs. What they vote for could destroy their grandkids. They could support Trump and cheer on Vought and pass away the following year. They will never experience the fallout.

Have you ever heard the saying "can't teach an old dog new tricks"? Our elderly parents and grandparents are going to watch their Fox News and MSNBC every night and they're going to vote for any bag of bones with an R or D next to their names no matter what we say or do.

The political revolution we need will start with our youngest generations. They are more open to seeing our awful political climate for what it is. The elderly folks are not changing their ways and they don't care what you or I think.

Their allegiance reflects poor character and a lack of concern for the welfare of their own family members.

I've had the privilege of living with and/or having very close ties with people in their 70s and 80s for much of my almost 60 years. They are a blessing to have around but they're stuck in their ways. All of them. If they've lived in an R or D political bubble for decades, they aren't seeing and feeling what you're describing and isn't because they lack concern for the welfare of their families. If we're lucky to live to an elderly age, we'll be the same way and with any luck, the younger folks around us will be patient and understanding of our stubborn ways. It's the cycle of life.

I tend to believe we become more of who we really are as we age, unless we don’t want to be purposefully cruel, or racist, or classist, or cheap, or jealous. I’ve heard my previous elderly MAGA relatives spew racist crap all their lives and now they’re just letting it rip at 75. It’s who they have always been— now the filter is falling apart. It’s not stubborn — it’s just who they are as people. It’s not a blessing to listen to snd I remove my kids from the room.

“Precious”— uncut gems aren’t they rambling about minorities wanting to take from them

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have not spoken to my 83 and 82 year old parents for 9 months because they are fully in the MAGA cult.
We live in DC and our lives, jobs and income have been personally impacted by this administration.
We did not call them or see them this holiday season for the first time in my 51 years. My brother was the same.

Anyone else? I pretend to not care but it's just awful.

Not even call them? You're a real piece of work.

As someone with parents like this I can relate. They are choosing to support policies that hurt their own kids and descendants. At 80-something the world is no longer theirs. What they vote for could destroy their grandkids. They could support Trump and cheer on Vought and pass away the following year. They will never experience the fallout.

Have you ever heard the saying "can't teach an old dog new tricks"? Our elderly parents and grandparents are going to watch their Fox News and MSNBC every night and they're going to vote for any bag of bones with an R or D next to their names no matter what we say or do.

The political revolution we need will start with our youngest generations. They are more open to seeing our awful political climate for what it is. The elderly folks are not changing their ways and they don't care what you or I think.

Their allegiance reflects poor character and a lack of concern for the welfare of their own family members.

I've had the privilege of living with and/or having very close ties with people in their 70s and 80s for much of my almost 60 years. They are a blessing to have around but they're stuck in their ways. All of them. If they've lived in an R or D political bubble for decades, they aren't seeing and feeling what you're describing and isn't because they lack concern for the welfare of their families. If we're lucky to live to an elderly age, we'll be the same way and with any luck, the younger folks around us will be patient and understanding of our stubborn ways. It's the cycle of life.

I tend to believe we become more of who we really are as we age, unless we don’t want to be purposefully cruel, or racist, or classist, or cheap, or jealous. I’ve heard my previous elderly MAGA relatives spew racist crap all their lives and now they’re just letting it rip at 75. It’s who they have always been— now the filter is falling apart. It’s not stubborn — it’s just who they are as people. It’s not a blessing to listen to snd I remove my kids from the room.

Amazing how much we know about the trials and tribulations elderly people bring to the table right up until they run for POTUS and then we forget about their madness and elect them! Lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have not spoken to my 83 and 82 year old parents for 9 months because they are fully in the MAGA cult.
We live in DC and our lives, jobs and income have been personally impacted by this administration.
We did not call them or see them this holiday season for the first time in my 51 years. My brother was the same.

Anyone else? I pretend to not care but it's just awful.

Not even call them? You're a real piece of work.

As someone with parents like this I can relate. They are choosing to support policies that hurt their own kids and descendants. At 80-something the world is no longer theirs. What they vote for could destroy their grandkids. They could support Trump and cheer on Vought and pass away the following year. They will never experience the fallout.

Have you ever heard the saying "can't teach an old dog new tricks"? Our elderly parents and grandparents are going to watch their Fox News and MSNBC every night and they're going to vote for any bag of bones with an R or D next to their names no matter what we say or do.

The political revolution we need will start with our youngest generations. They are more open to seeing our awful political climate for what it is. The elderly folks are not changing their ways and they don't care what you or I think.

Their allegiance reflects poor character and a lack of concern for the welfare of their own family members.

That's what happens when people join cults

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

No,. probably not.

Any decent parent would put aside the politics and such for a visit. Mine usually did, even my in laws would turn off FOX News when we visited.