Why is it so hard to meet moderate women?

[Anonymous]

“Abortion is clearly wrong” is to the right of most MAGAs. That’s a giant, flashing red warning sign for most women.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Define moderate.

Thinks abortion is clearly wrong.
Doesn’t like Trump at all and hates the hypocrisy of the administration.
Is OK with people having guns but still sees them as a massive problem in our country that we need to do something about.
Thinks it’s OK to challenge and question widely accepted science instead of taking everything we’re told as dogma.
Prefers a strong border and tough on crime mentality.
Thinks we should love everyone including LGBT community; yes gay people should be able to get married.
Climate change is a serious problem.
Belief in God / higher power.
Need to cut the deficit somehow and find a more fiscally responsible path.

We’ve just been too polarized to toe the party line on everything instead of viewing everything with nuance. So it’s a challenge when it comes to finding the right partner in dating.

Few of these are moderate positions.

A moderate doesn’t believe abortion “is clearly wrong.” They believe this is a personal matter left to the individual to decide in consultation with doctors.

A moderate probably does not like Trump at all. That’s true.

A moderate is probably can tolerate individual gun ownership and be for stronger gun control, yes.

A moderate understands the nature of science is challenging everything so vaccines and the like have already been fully vetted from that perspective. Your rhetoric about dogma is not a moderate position. It’s one held by a paranoid idiot who is poorly educated and doesn’t know what science IS.

A moderate is someone who is welcome to immigrants and realizes they are good for the country both economically and socially. So no, a moderate doesn’t really believe in a “strong” border. That’s right wing talk.

Similarly, a moderate believes in rehabilitation not punishment for crime. “Tough on crime” is an extreme right-wing mentality held by dysfunctional thinkers.

LBTQ support is mainstream already, so that’s hardly staked out as a “moderate” position.

Climate change being a serious problem, sure. But what does a moderate want to do about it? What do YOU?

Belief in God isn’t really a moderate thing, that’s a deeply personal one. But if you’re a superstitious type, sure, you probably want to find someone else with similar magical thinking. But it has zero to do with being moderate.

Cutting the deficit. Again, HOW? That is where the rubber meets the road in judging who is a moderate. A moderate would likely believe tax burdens should be shifted to put more onus on higher income people and we should look at cutting defense spending before social programs.

I guess I’d consider myself “moderate” and most of your points are right but hard disagree on the crime point. Rehabilitation instead of punishment is very left wing thinking. I think most “moderates” would incorporate some elements of both.

Agree that the “strong” border is right wing talk but I don’t think moderates support completely open borders either.

And there have never been open borders even under Biden despite the rhetoric from the right to the contrary.

[Anonymous]

So you want a woman who has no opinion? Lovely.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Define moderate.

Thinks abortion is clearly wrong.
Doesn’t like Trump at all and hates the hypocrisy of the administration.
Is OK with people having guns but still sees them as a massive problem in our country that we need to do something about.
Thinks it’s OK to challenge and question widely accepted science instead of taking everything we’re told as dogma.
Prefers a strong border and tough on crime mentality.
Thinks we should love everyone including LGBT community; yes gay people should be able to get married.
Climate change is a serious problem.
Belief in God / higher power.
Need to cut the deficit somehow and find a more fiscally responsible path.

We’ve just been too polarized to toe the party line on everything instead of viewing everything with nuance. So it’s a challenge when it comes to finding the right partner in dating.

Few of these are moderate positions.

A moderate doesn’t believe abortion “is clearly wrong.” They believe this is a personal matter left to the individual to decide in consultation with doctors.

A moderate probably does not like Trump at all. That’s true.

A moderate is probably can tolerate individual gun ownership and be for stronger gun control, yes.

A moderate understands the nature of science is challenging everything so vaccines and the like have already been fully vetted from that perspective. Your rhetoric about dogma is not a moderate position. It’s one held by a paranoid idiot who is poorly educated and doesn’t know what science IS.

A moderate is someone who is welcome to immigrants and realizes they are good for the country both economically and socially. So no, a moderate doesn’t really believe in a “strong” border. That’s right wing talk.

Similarly, a moderate believes in rehabilitation not punishment for crime. “Tough on crime” is an extreme right-wing mentality held by dysfunctional thinkers.

LBTQ support is mainstream already, so that’s hardly staked out as a “moderate” position.

Climate change being a serious problem, sure. But what does a moderate want to do about it? What do YOU?

Belief in God isn’t really a moderate thing, that’s a deeply personal one. But if you’re a superstitious type, sure, you probably want to find someone else with similar magical thinking. But it has zero to do with being moderate.

Cutting the deficit. Again, HOW? That is where the rubber meets the road in judging who is a moderate. A moderate would likely believe tax burdens should be shifted to put more onus on higher income people and we should look at cutting defense spending before social programs.

I guess I’d consider myself “moderate” and most of your points are right but hard disagree on the crime point. Rehabilitation instead of punishment is very left wing thinking. I think most “moderates” would incorporate some elements of both.

Agree that the “strong” border is right wing talk but I don’t think moderates support completely open borders either.

And there have never been open borders even under Biden despite the rhetoric from the right to the contrary.

Seriously, Obama and Biden deported tons of people. More than Trump did in his first term, if I am not mistaken.

What they didn’t do, and Trump is NOW doing, is try to deport people here legally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Define moderate.

Thinks abortion is clearly wrong.
Doesn’t like Trump at all and hates the hypocrisy of the administration.
Is OK with people having guns but still sees them as a massive problem in our country that we need to do something about.
Thinks it’s OK to challenge and question widely accepted science instead of taking everything we’re told as dogma.
Prefers a strong border and tough on crime mentality.
Thinks we should love everyone including LGBT community; yes gay people should be able to get married.
Climate change is a serious problem.
Belief in God / higher power.
Need to cut the deficit somehow and find a more fiscally responsible path.

We’ve just been too polarized to toe the party line on everything instead of viewing everything with nuance. So it’s a challenge when it comes to finding the right partner in dating.

I think what you’re describing is a fairly conservative, very Catholic woman. She lives in Hyattsville, but she’s married with at least four kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was moderate for many years but you would have to be braindead to be "moderate" now.

I have a daughter of my own and can't bear that she will have fewer rights than I will.
No moderation for me.

You think your daughter will have fewer rights than you did?

Interesting, I think the opposite. I experienced terrible sexual harassment in the 90s, including being sexually assaulted by a coworker at one point. The stuff that was tolerated back, then would be much less likely to be tolerated now.

Worried about abortion? Abortion is legal in most states. I’m assuming you live in one, since you’re on a DC based forum.

What rights exactly do you think you had that your daughter won’t?

12 states have total abortion bans. 3 states ban abortion after 6 weeks, that is one missed period. 8 more states have restrictions after 12 weeks. Abortion is NOT legal in most states.

[Anonymous]

Seeing as liberals in America are center everywhere else, it shouldn’t be too hard. Maybe you actually want a trad wife?

[Anonymous]

The way this thread has devolved is pathetic. I personally consider moderate being when you have certain right-leaning positions and certain left-leaning positions. Simple as that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The way this thread has devolved is pathetic. I personally consider moderate being when you have certain right-leaning positions and certain left-leaning positions. Simple as that.

If one or more of your right-leaning positions is absolutely bonkers though, normal women run the other way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Define moderate.

Thinks abortion is clearly wrong.
Doesn’t like Trump at all and hates the hypocrisy of the administration.
Is OK with people having guns but still sees them as a massive problem in our country that we need to do something about.
Thinks it’s OK to challenge and question widely accepted science instead of taking everything we’re told as dogma.
Prefers a strong border and tough on crime mentality.
Thinks we should love everyone including LGBT community; yes gay people should be able to get married.
Climate change is a serious problem.
Belief in God / higher power.
Need to cut the deficit somehow and find a more fiscally responsible path.

We’ve just been too polarized to toe the party line on everything instead of viewing everything with nuance. So it’s a challenge when it comes to finding the right partner in dating.

Few of these are moderate positions.

A moderate doesn’t believe abortion “is clearly wrong.” They believe this is a personal matter left to the individual to decide in consultation with doctors.

A moderate probably does not like Trump at all. That’s true.

A moderate is probably can tolerate individual gun ownership and be for stronger gun control, yes.

A moderate understands the nature of science is challenging everything so vaccines and the like have already been fully vetted from that perspective. Your rhetoric about dogma is not a moderate position. It’s one held by a paranoid idiot who is poorly educated and doesn’t know what science IS.

A moderate is someone who is welcome to immigrants and realizes they are good for the country both economically and socially. So no, a moderate doesn’t really believe in a “strong” border. That’s right wing talk.

Similarly, a moderate believes in rehabilitation not punishment for crime. “Tough on crime” is an extreme right-wing mentality held by dysfunctional thinkers.

LBTQ support is mainstream already, so that’s hardly staked out as a “moderate” position.

Climate change being a serious problem, sure. But what does a moderate want to do about it? What do YOU?

Belief in God isn’t really a moderate thing, that’s a deeply personal one. But if you’re a superstitious type, sure, you probably want to find someone else with similar magical thinking. But it has zero to do with being moderate.

Cutting the deficit. Again, HOW? That is where the rubber meets the road in judging who is a moderate. A moderate would likely believe tax burdens should be shifted to put more onus on higher income people and we should look at cutting defense spending before social programs.

NP and don't understand you on science. There are studies that conclude a disease is caused by X and then another that says it's caused by Y. There were studies that said wine was good for you, now it's that it's better to have no alcohol. To pretend that "science" is a done deal is not moderate. To deny that the Covid vaccine was approved faster than prior vaccines is to treat people like idiots.

I rushed to get the Covid vaccine as soon as it was available to me, but that's because I judged the benefits to outweigh the risks. However, that's different from assuming those who weigh things differently are wrong or stupid and should be made to reach the same conclusions as you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was moderate for many years but you would have to be braindead to be "moderate" now.

I have a daughter of my own and can't bear that she will have fewer rights than I will.
No moderation for me.

You think your daughter will have fewer rights than you did?

Interesting, I think the opposite. I experienced terrible sexual harassment in the 90s, including being sexually assaulted by a coworker at one point. The stuff that was tolerated back, then would be much less likely to be tolerated now.

Worried about abortion? Abortion is legal in most states. I’m assuming you live in one, since you’re on a DC based forum.

What rights exactly do you think you had that your daughter won’t?

The right to vote in free and fair elections. The right to live in a blue city without it being taken over by the federal guard. The right to marry if she’s gay. The right to travel freely without worrying about customs searching her phone. The right to protest.

[Anonymous]

They are married.

[Anonymous]

Either you're doing or saying something that's putting off "moderate" women (or all women), or you're not actually the moderate you think you are.

Moderate often just means disengaged or low-information voter, or someone who holds an internally conflicting muddle of views, some of which are more extreme than they realize. If you're looking not just for a "moderate" but actually for someone whose muddle is the same as your muddle, that's going to be a needle in a haystack. Because there's any number of combinations of views that can add up to "moderate".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was moderate for many years but you would have to be braindead to be "moderate" now.

I have a daughter of my own and can't bear that she will have fewer rights than I will.
No moderation for me.

No you don’t have to be braindead to be moderate. What an absurd position.

I think what I believed to be moderate and what you think is "moderate" are 2 different things. I would be RINO now, and you would be a traitor back when I was moderate.

I still vote Never Trump in R primaries. My moderate family stopped voting mostly R when Rick Santorum replaced John Heinz as Senator.

[Anonymous]

Immigration is not out of control. You’ve all been brainwashed. Immigration is great for our economy. We need an easier path to legal immigration. People are waiting decades for green cards. No wonder they choose other means.

Yes to taxing the rich and corporations, and yes to cutting some social programs. We need both to rein in the national debt! And we need to overhaul healthcare so it cuts out the middlemen which siphon off taxpayer money ti corporations. That way it will be cheaper for the government to subsidize citizens’ healthcare.

And most importantly, we need:

1. to reinstate transparency in political funding. We are essentially an oligarchy right now. Regardless of which party is in power, individual voters don’t get as much say as billionaire donors.

2. enforce rules on media mergers and what is allowed to be considered news. There is far too much pressure on freedom of expression and far too much disinformation masquerading as legitimate news.