This forum needs to be renamed to the GLP-1 forum

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Anonymous wrote:How long did it take to find out what Fen-Phen was doing to people's heart valves and causing pulmonary hypertension?

5-10 years. 5 years for the word to start speading: it was early to mid 90's, so news took longer to spread than it does today. Phen fen was pulled in the late 90's after it was linked to serious and sometimes fatal heart and lung issues. My cousin had 3 heart attacks while on it. She was late 30's at the time.

Fen phen became widely available and sought in 1992. It was pulled by 1997.
We have had 20 years of GLP 1 use and almost 50 in researching it.
People have been on GLP 1s for weight loss since 2018.
I am unclear why so many people seem to WANT there to be side effects instead of embracing what is essentially a "miracle" drug. Do you also tell people to battle chemical depression and anxiety without medications? Or to treat genetic hypertension with meditation and willpower alone?

People who take hypertension medicine have hypertension. People who take medicines for depression or anxiety have depression or anxiety. GLP1s are medicines for overweight/obsese/and metabolic disorders. This board is filled with normal weight people - so none of the above - who take it.

Define normal weight? Because when those taking GLP-1s go from say a size 20 to a size 2, far surpassing those of us at a “normal weight” then yes, I am going to take it and get to a size 2, too.

How about this easy one? People who did not have a starting BMI in the overweight or obese range.

As an aside if you are determined to make it to a size 2, then that’s other issue - so much disordered thinking around here. I’d prefer to call it the ED forum than the GLP1 forum, personally.

BMI is a deeply, deeply flawed metric.

And why do you care so much? Either use a GLP1 or don’t.

BMI is deeply flawed but not for the reasons you seem to be suggesting in this exchange. You are talking about going to a size 2, so you can spare me with your “deeply, deeply flawed metric.”

As for why I care? Is that a real question? I am against making disordered eating and thinking cool again.

I would really examine why you care what other people are doing with their own bodies. Other people who are not your family or friends. Seriously. Is it because you know that if the general populous is slimmer you will now be the fat one?

I know it comforts to think this and that it must be jealousy. It helps take the focus on your own body obsession. But no, I don’t think eating disorders are cool and our children are not better off with messed up mothers.

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Anonymous wrote:Indeed. I can’t believe how many people here are taking these drugs despite the side effects.

It will be a case of fafo. I am happy for these people, if they are happy. I am on a regimen to lose 20 pounds and I never considered using these drugs. I suspect we will find out in 5 or so more years the true effects of these dugs on the digestive system. I'm thinking cancer will abound in this population: normal weight or barely overweight people with no comorbidities.

You realize these drugs have been in use since the early 2000s?

For a different patient population than the one getting them off label now.

It is truly on label now that these are approved indications.

Ok let’s give it 20 years.

I’d love to see the overlap of folks who think the long term risks of GLP1s are overplayed and those who now think statins should be avoided because we’ve now seen longer term negative effects ts.

Do you appreciate how much absolute trash infects nearly the entirety of our food supply? So this drug helps reduce weight (undeniable medical benefit) and consume less of our horrible food supply. Your post reads like weird frustration and cope that these drugs exist.

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Anonymous wrote:Indeed. I can’t believe how many people here are taking these drugs despite the side effects.

It will be a case of fafo. I am happy for these people, if they are happy. I am on a regimen to lose 20 pounds and I never considered using these drugs. I suspect we will find out in 5 or so more years the true effects of these dugs on the digestive system. I'm thinking cancer will abound in this population: normal weight or barely overweight people with no comorbidities.

You realize these drugs have been in use since the early 2000s?

For a different patient population than the one getting them off label now.

It is truly on label now that these are approved indications.

Ok let’s give it 20 years.

I’d love to see the overlap of folks who think the long term risks of GLP1s are overplayed and those who now think statins should be avoided because we’ve now seen longer term negative effects ts.

Do you appreciate how much absolute trash infects nearly the entirety of our food supply? So this drug helps reduce weight (undeniable medical benefit) and consume less of our horrible food supply. Your post reads like weird frustration and cope that these drugs exist.

No, my post should read as skepticism. I’ve posted this before. I understand people who say they are willing to take a risk. But the people who are so sure about what we’ll find in the long term? Foolish.

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Anonymous wrote:Indeed. I can’t believe how many people here are taking these drugs despite the side effects.

It will be a case of fafo. I am happy for these people, if they are happy. I am on a regimen to lose 20 pounds and I never considered using these drugs. I suspect we will find out in 5 or so more years the true effects of these dugs on the digestive system. I'm thinking cancer will abound in this population: normal weight or barely overweight people with no comorbidities.

…says anonymous Dr. I.M. Ignorant on the Internet.

We all know that digestion and elimination are required for a healthy gut. You can't have waste sitting in your intestines for 1-2 weeks plus and not have problems. The time from consuming food to eliminating the waste from your body via bowel movement should take 24 to 72 hours. Glp 1's slow down digestion and elimination. Gastroparesis is a side effect of the drugs, as well. Use your logic or remain, as you are currently, full of s h i t.

You’ve commented on posts about GLP 1s before and you keep stating this like it’s a fact. Maybe this is true for you or others on these drugs but it’s not happening for me (I am as regular as I ever was - once a day) and as long as you are eating a healthy diet full of fibre this shouldn’t be a concern. You may be right that in 5 years there will be some terrible impact of this drug but it’s not going to be because of sh*t sitting around in my bowels as that isn’t not happening

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Indeed. I can’t believe how many people here are taking these drugs despite the side effects.

The side effects are nothing compared to birth control

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Anonymous wrote:Indeed. I can’t believe how many people here are taking these drugs despite the side effects.

It will be a case of fafo. I am happy for these people, if they are happy. I am on a regimen to lose 20 pounds and I never considered using these drugs. I suspect we will find out in 5 or so more years the true effects of these dugs on the digestive system. I'm thinking cancer will abound in this population: normal weight or barely overweight people with no comorbidities.

You realize these drugs have been in use since the early 2000s?

For a different patient population than the one getting them off label now.

Do you think that patient population is less likely to get cancer?

[Anonymous]

I don’t care what the side affects are. Seeing a world full of thin people instead of the usual obese people everywhere is aesthetically pleasing and worth it for all of us.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t care what the side affects are. Seeing a world full of thin people instead of the usual obese people everywhere is aesthetically pleasing and worth it for all of us.

And easier to fly without someone taking up half or more of your seat!

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t care what the side affects are. Seeing a world full of thin people instead of the usual obese people everywhere is aesthetically pleasing and worth it for all of us.

And easier to fly without someone taking up half or more of your seat!

Are you a fairy? How does one sit in only a half a seat or less?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t care what the side affects are. Seeing a world full of thin people instead of the usual obese people everywhere is aesthetically pleasing and worth it for all of us.

And easier to fly without someone taking up half or more of your seat!

Are you a fairy? How does one sit in only a half a seat or less?

Good question. Ask all the airlines that don’t make super overweight passengers buy a second seat and instead force others to essentially share their seats.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t care what the side affects are. Seeing a world full of thin people instead of the usual obese people everywhere is aesthetically pleasing and worth it for all of us.

And easier to fly without someone taking up half or more of your seat!

Are you a fairy? How does one sit in only a half a seat or less?

Good question. Ask all the airlines that don’t make super overweight passengers buy a second seat and instead force others to essentially share their seats.

You sound whiny.

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Anonymous wrote:Indeed. I can’t believe how many people here are taking these drugs despite the side effects.

The side effects are nothing compared to birth control

Don't worry, Trump and MAGA are working on taking that away too.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t care what the side affects are. Seeing a world full of thin people instead of the usual obese people everywhere is aesthetically pleasing and worth it for all of us.

It’s so strange when posters accuse the GLP1 skeptics of being fat phobic. It’s pretty clear who the fat phobic are and that they are pushing GLP1s.

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I do wish there was a separate forum for non-GLP1 nutrition and weight loss discussion.

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Anonymous wrote:I do wish there was a separate forum for non-GLP1 nutrition and weight loss discussion.

NP here, Jeff was already asked to split the fitness and the weight loss forums. I think there is value in dealing with the reality that diet decisions IRL now have to face the GLP temptations..