This forum needs to be renamed to the GLP-1 forum

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Indeed. I can’t believe how many people here are taking these drugs despite the side effects.

It will be a case of fafo. I am happy for these people, if they are happy. I am on a regimen to lose 20 pounds and I never considered using these drugs. I suspect we will find out in 5 or so more years the true effects of these dugs on the digestive system. I'm thinking cancer will abound in this population: normal weight or barely overweight people with no comorbidities.

You realize these drugs have been in use since the early 2000s?

For a different patient population than the one getting them off label now.

It is truly on label now that these are approved indications.

Ok let’s give it 20 years.

I’d love to see the overlap of folks who think the long term risks of GLP1s are overplayed and those who now think statins should be avoided because we’ve now seen longer term negative effects ts.

The first GLP1 receptor agonist went to market in, would you believe it, 2005.

Sorry you haven’t been able to manifest whatever horrible side effects you’re dreaming of into the population but unfortunately it sure looks like a low risk drug.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Indeed. I can’t believe how many people here are taking these drugs despite the side effects.

It will be a case of fafo. I am happy for these people, if they are happy. I am on a regimen to lose 20 pounds and I never considered using these drugs. I suspect we will find out in 5 or so more years the true effects of these dugs on the digestive system. I'm thinking cancer will abound in this population: normal weight or barely overweight people with no comorbidities.

You realize these drugs have been in use since the early 2000s?

For a different patient population than the one getting them off label now.

It is truly on label now that these are approved indications.

Ok let’s give it 20 years.

I’d love to see the overlap of folks who think the long term risks of GLP1s are overplayed and those who now think statins should be avoided because we’ve now seen longer term negative effects ts.

The first GLP1 receptor agonist went to market in, would you believe it, 2005.

Sorry you haven’t been able to manifest whatever horrible side effects you’re dreaming of into the population but unfortunately it sure looks like a low risk drug.

How long were statins on the market before people tied them to cognitive issues?

[Anonymous]

Nobody taking these drugs is running a sub 3 marathon.

Let them gate keep themselves.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Indeed. I can’t believe how many people here are taking these drugs despite the side effects.

It will be a case of fafo. I am happy for these people, if they are happy. I am on a regimen to lose 20 pounds and I never considered using these drugs. I suspect we will find out in 5 or so more years the true effects of these dugs on the digestive system. I'm thinking cancer will abound in this population: normal weight or barely overweight people with no comorbidities.

You realize these drugs have been in use since the early 2000s?

For a different patient population than the one getting them off label now.

It is truly on label now that these are approved indications.

Ok let’s give it 20 years.

I’d love to see the overlap of folks who think the long term risks of GLP1s are overplayed and those who now think statins should be avoided because we’ve now seen longer term negative effects ts.

The first GLP1 receptor agonist went to market in, would you believe it, 2005.

Sorry you haven’t been able to manifest whatever horrible side effects you’re dreaming of into the population but unfortunately it sure looks like a low risk drug.

How long were statins on the market before people tied them to cognitive issues?

A stroke certainly causes cognitive issues.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How long did it take to find out what Fen-Phen was doing to people's heart valves and causing pulmonary hypertension?

5-10 years. 5 years for the word to start speading: it was early to mid 90's, so news took longer to spread than it does today. Phen fen was pulled in the late 90's after it was linked to serious and sometimes fatal heart and lung issues. My cousin had 3 heart attacks while on it. She was late 30's at the time.

Fen phen became widely available and sought in 1992. It was pulled by 1997.
We have had 20 years of GLP 1 use and almost 50 in researching it.
People have been on GLP 1s for weight loss since 2018.
I am unclear why so many people seem to WANT there to be side effects instead of embracing what is essentially a "miracle" drug. Do you also tell people to battle chemical depression and anxiety without medications? Or to treat genetic hypertension with meditation and willpower alone?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How long did it take to find out what Fen-Phen was doing to people's heart valves and causing pulmonary hypertension?

5-10 years. 5 years for the word to start speading: it was early to mid 90's, so news took longer to spread than it does today. Phen fen was pulled in the late 90's after it was linked to serious and sometimes fatal heart and lung issues. My cousin had 3 heart attacks while on it. She was late 30's at the time.

Fen phen became widely available and sought in 1992. It was pulled by 1997.
We have had 20 years of GLP 1 use and almost 50 in researching it.
People have been on GLP 1s for weight loss since 2018.
I am unclear why so many people seem to WANT there to be side effects instead of embracing what is essentially a "miracle" drug. Do you also tell people to battle chemical depression and anxiety without medications? Or to treat genetic hypertension with meditation and willpower alone?

Because people who cannot afford or are too scared to use it want to put those who do use it down.

[Anonymous]

Phentermine is still prescribed without the Fenfluramine and is used for short term weight loss for some people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Phentermine is still prescribed without the Fenfluramine and is used for short term weight loss for some people.

The dangers of this class of drug were frankly well understood even as it went out to market as well. Comparing these two classes of drugs is really very silly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How long did it take to find out what Fen-Phen was doing to people's heart valves and causing pulmonary hypertension?

5-10 years. 5 years for the word to start speading: it was early to mid 90's, so news took longer to spread than it does today. Phen fen was pulled in the late 90's after it was linked to serious and sometimes fatal heart and lung issues. My cousin had 3 heart attacks while on it. She was late 30's at the time.

Fen phen became widely available and sought in 1992. It was pulled by 1997.
We have had 20 years of GLP 1 use and almost 50 in researching it.
People have been on GLP 1s for weight loss since 2018.
I am unclear why so many people seem to WANT there to be side effects instead of embracing what is essentially a "miracle" drug. Do you also tell people to battle chemical depression and anxiety without medications? Or to treat genetic hypertension with meditation and willpower alone?

People who take hypertension medicine have hypertension. People who take medicines for depression or anxiety have depression or anxiety. GLP1s are medicines for overweight/obsese/and metabolic disorders. This board is filled with normal weight people - so none of the above - who take it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How long did it take to find out what Fen-Phen was doing to people's heart valves and causing pulmonary hypertension?

5-10 years. 5 years for the word to start speading: it was early to mid 90's, so news took longer to spread than it does today. Phen fen was pulled in the late 90's after it was linked to serious and sometimes fatal heart and lung issues. My cousin had 3 heart attacks while on it. She was late 30's at the time.

Fen phen became widely available and sought in 1992. It was pulled by 1997.
We have had 20 years of GLP 1 use and almost 50 in researching it.
People have been on GLP 1s for weight loss since 2018.
I am unclear why so many people seem to WANT there to be side effects instead of embracing what is essentially a "miracle" drug. Do you also tell people to battle chemical depression and anxiety without medications? Or to treat genetic hypertension with meditation and willpower alone?

People who take hypertension medicine have hypertension. People who take medicines for depression or anxiety have depression or anxiety. GLP1s are medicines for overweight/obsese/and metabolic disorders. This board is filled with normal weight people - so none of the above - who take it.

Define normal weight? Because when those taking GLP-1s go from say a size 20 to a size 2, far surpassing those of us at a “normal weight” then yes, I am going to take it and get to a size 2, too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How long did it take to find out what Fen-Phen was doing to people's heart valves and causing pulmonary hypertension?

5-10 years. 5 years for the word to start speading: it was early to mid 90's, so news took longer to spread than it does today. Phen fen was pulled in the late 90's after it was linked to serious and sometimes fatal heart and lung issues. My cousin had 3 heart attacks while on it. She was late 30's at the time.

Fen phen became widely available and sought in 1992. It was pulled by 1997.
We have had 20 years of GLP 1 use and almost 50 in researching it.
People have been on GLP 1s for weight loss since 2018.
I am unclear why so many people seem to WANT there to be side effects instead of embracing what is essentially a "miracle" drug. Do you also tell people to battle chemical depression and anxiety without medications? Or to treat genetic hypertension with meditation and willpower alone?

People who take hypertension medicine have hypertension. People who take medicines for depression or anxiety have depression or anxiety. GLP1s are medicines for overweight/obsese/and metabolic disorders. This board is filled with normal weight people - so none of the above - who take it.

Define normal weight? Because when those taking GLP-1s go from say a size 20 to a size 2, far surpassing those of us at a “normal weight” then yes, I am going to take it and get to a size 2, too.

How about this easy one? People who did not have a starting BMI in the overweight or obese range.

As an aside if you are determined to make it to a size 2, then that’s other issue - so much disordered thinking around here. I’d prefer to call it the ED forum than the GLP1 forum, personally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How long did it take to find out what Fen-Phen was doing to people's heart valves and causing pulmonary hypertension?

5-10 years. 5 years for the word to start speading: it was early to mid 90's, so news took longer to spread than it does today. Phen fen was pulled in the late 90's after it was linked to serious and sometimes fatal heart and lung issues. My cousin had 3 heart attacks while on it. She was late 30's at the time.

Fen phen became widely available and sought in 1992. It was pulled by 1997.
We have had 20 years of GLP 1 use and almost 50 in researching it.
People have been on GLP 1s for weight loss since 2018.
I am unclear why so many people seem to WANT there to be side effects instead of embracing what is essentially a "miracle" drug. Do you also tell people to battle chemical depression and anxiety without medications? Or to treat genetic hypertension with meditation and willpower alone?

People who take hypertension medicine have hypertension. People who take medicines for depression or anxiety have depression or anxiety. GLP1s are medicines for overweight/obsese/and metabolic disorders. This board is filled with normal weight people - so none of the above - who take it.

Define normal weight? Because when those taking GLP-1s go from say a size 20 to a size 2, far surpassing those of us at a “normal weight” then yes, I am going to take it and get to a size 2, too.

How about this easy one? People who did not have a starting BMI in the overweight or obese range.

As an aside if you are determined to make it to a size 2, then that’s other issue - so much disordered thinking around here. I’d prefer to call it the ED forum than the GLP1 forum, personally.

BMI is a deeply, deeply flawed metric.

And why do you care so much? Either use a GLP1 or don’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How long did it take to find out what Fen-Phen was doing to people's heart valves and causing pulmonary hypertension?

5-10 years. 5 years for the word to start speading: it was early to mid 90's, so news took longer to spread than it does today. Phen fen was pulled in the late 90's after it was linked to serious and sometimes fatal heart and lung issues. My cousin had 3 heart attacks while on it. She was late 30's at the time.

Fen phen became widely available and sought in 1992. It was pulled by 1997.
We have had 20 years of GLP 1 use and almost 50 in researching it.
People have been on GLP 1s for weight loss since 2018.
I am unclear why so many people seem to WANT there to be side effects instead of embracing what is essentially a "miracle" drug. Do you also tell people to battle chemical depression and anxiety without medications? Or to treat genetic hypertension with meditation and willpower alone?

People who take hypertension medicine have hypertension. People who take medicines for depression or anxiety have depression or anxiety. GLP1s are medicines for overweight/obsese/and metabolic disorders. This board is filled with normal weight people - so none of the above - who take it.

Define normal weight? Because when those taking GLP-1s go from say a size 20 to a size 2, far surpassing those of us at a “normal weight” then yes, I am going to take it and get to a size 2, too.

How about this easy one? People who did not have a starting BMI in the overweight or obese range.

As an aside if you are determined to make it to a size 2, then that’s other issue - so much disordered thinking around here. I’d prefer to call it the ED forum than the GLP1 forum, personally.

BMI is a deeply, deeply flawed metric.

And why do you care so much? Either use a GLP1 or don’t.

BMI is deeply flawed but not for the reasons you seem to be suggesting in this exchange. You are talking about going to a size 2, so you can spare me with your “deeply, deeply flawed metric.”

As for why I care? Is that a real question? I am against making disordered eating and thinking cool again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How long did it take to find out what Fen-Phen was doing to people's heart valves and causing pulmonary hypertension?

5-10 years. 5 years for the word to start speading: it was early to mid 90's, so news took longer to spread than it does today. Phen fen was pulled in the late 90's after it was linked to serious and sometimes fatal heart and lung issues. My cousin had 3 heart attacks while on it. She was late 30's at the time.

Fen phen became widely available and sought in 1992. It was pulled by 1997.
We have had 20 years of GLP 1 use and almost 50 in researching it.
People have been on GLP 1s for weight loss since 2018.
I am unclear why so many people seem to WANT there to be side effects instead of embracing what is essentially a "miracle" drug. Do you also tell people to battle chemical depression and anxiety without medications? Or to treat genetic hypertension with meditation and willpower alone?

People who take hypertension medicine have hypertension. People who take medicines for depression or anxiety have depression or anxiety. GLP1s are medicines for overweight/obsese/and metabolic disorders. This board is filled with normal weight people - so none of the above - who take it.

Define normal weight? Because when those taking GLP-1s go from say a size 20 to a size 2, far surpassing those of us at a “normal weight” then yes, I am going to take it and get to a size 2, too.

How about this easy one? People who did not have a starting BMI in the overweight or obese range.

As an aside if you are determined to make it to a size 2, then that’s other issue - so much disordered thinking around here. I’d prefer to call it the ED forum than the GLP1 forum, personally.

BMI is a deeply, deeply flawed metric.

And why do you care so much? Either use a GLP1 or don’t.

BMI is deeply flawed but not for the reasons you seem to be suggesting in this exchange. You are talking about going to a size 2, so you can spare me with your “deeply, deeply flawed metric.”

As for why I care? Is that a real question? I am against making disordered eating and thinking cool again.

I would really examine why you care what other people are doing with their own bodies. Other people who are not your family or friends. Seriously. Is it because you know that if the general populous is slimmer you will now be the fat one?

[Anonymous]

Define normal weight? Because when those taking GLP-1s go from say a size 20 to a size 2, far surpassing those of us at a “normal weight” then yes, I am going to take it and get to a size 2, too.

Yes, you can't let them win, PP! You need to outdo them. Better to aim for a size 0.

I have been happy with my normal weight and size 4 body for years and hope I never feel like I need to take these drugs, stop eating and dissolve into nothing just because its trendy.

I know GLP-1s are life changing for many people and Im glad they are available. My DH is in the midst of trying to take off 60+ pounds.