The End of College Life - Wash U Prof's article in the Atlantic

[Anonymous]

I see both sides. Universities have been on a wild spending spree- lazy rivers in dorms, every kid gets their own room and bathroom, cleaning ladies for dorms, massive gyms for regular students to work out in.

My best memories in college were spent in a triple (to the horror of current college students). It was so much fun that we all requested triples the next year too. College can be fun even if colleges spent less money on luxe facilities.

That being said- I love how Americans go off to college. My European friends all either lived at home or they lived in a big city and rented an appt near their university. It sounded totally different than my experience.

My maga in-laws biggest gripe is the massive endowments of these universities who are still accepting federal funds. I really can’t speak to that, but it gets brought up again and again.

Oh and to the person up thread AC is not a luxury.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All Americans - liberal, conservative, and apolitical - should be very concerned about the future of college given how Trump & Vance are attacking it. It is arson with no architecture. They don't have a vision for fixing it, they just want it to die.

I am paying careful attention and am very happy with the changes. These are much needed.

The people who are unhappy are those who are content to receive funds without needing to demonstrate any results.

Now the fun part - the supposed liberals who are "open" to new ideas and alternative viewpoints, think none of the above is an "acceptable" viewpoint. Because the above must have been written by a MAGA advocate and therefore not a valid view.

-A moderate democrat who voted for Kamala

Look the MAGA troll that always claims to be a dem is back. And as unconvincing as always.

This is why I am really really really loving what Trump is doing. I am going to really really really enjoy the next 4 years.

Knowing you guys are going to cry cry cry, is only going to make each day, really really really bright! Loving it!

Looking forward to a 3rd term and 8 more years!

Is there truly nothing else that makes your days bright? Really?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I see both sides. Universities have been on a wild spending spree- lazy rivers in dorms, every kid gets their own room and bathroom, cleaning ladies for dorms, massive gyms for regular students to work out in.

My best memories in college were spent in a triple (to the horror of current college students). It was so much fun that we all requested triples the next year too. College can be fun even if colleges spent less money on luxe facilities.

That being said- I love how Americans go off to college. My European friends all either lived at home or they lived in a big city and rented an appt near their university. It sounded totally different than my experience.

My maga in-laws biggest gripe is the massive endowments of these universities who are still accepting federal funds. I really can’t speak to that, but it gets brought up again and again.

Oh and to the person up thread AC is not a luxury.

You should tell your maga in-laws that state schools like UT have huge endowments yet the state of Texas doesn’t have a problem providing state funding (in addition to federal funds).

Do they believe state flagships with huge endowments should be privatized?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If federal funding of research was being used to subsidize all this stuff, doesn’t this just prove that it was being misused? Why not just end the research that was being funded?

Most Wash. U. research is about frivolous stuff like fighting cancer, stopping Alzheimer’s and what’s up with the rocks on, say, Mars, in case that gives us clues about if there are aliens who are going to come eat us. Heaven forbid researchers try to stop Alzheimer’s.

[Anonymous]

Another Op who failed to provide a gift link.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is an excellent and well written article and worth reading the entire piece in the Atlantic.

That said, I'm depressed for my rising senior kid who will experience the nadir of Trump & Vance's assault on universities. Vance has been giving speeches showing his contempt for our colleges for years prior to becoming Trump's sidekick, even though he benefitted enormously from his experience at Yale including making contact with Amy Chua (who got his book published which led to a movie deal and millions of dollars) and Peter Thiel (who spoke at Yale's Federalist Society which Vance was a member and got hired post-grad for his job). Vance is a hypocrite and Trump is just lacking empathy for anyone other than himself.

Vance is definitely a hypocrite and so is Trump.

Trump went to Penn.
Vance went to Yale.
Usha went to Yale.
Ivanka went to Penn.
Don Jr went to Penn.

Basically, college for us and not for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Don’t care at all, let these wealthy schools fund themselves and get off the public dole. Signed, 2x Ivy grad

Totally agree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All Americans - liberal, conservative, and apolitical - should be very concerned about the future of college given how Trump & Vance are attacking it. It is arson with no architecture. They don't have a vision for fixing it, they just want it to die.

I am paying careful attention and am very happy with the changes. These are much needed.

The people who are unhappy are those who are content to receive funds without needing to demonstrate any results.

Now the fun part - the supposed liberals who are "open" to new ideas and alternative viewpoints, think none of the above is an "acceptable" viewpoint. Because the above must have been written by a MAGA advocate and therefore not a valid view.

-A moderate democrat who voted for Kamala

Look the MAGA troll that always claims to be a dem is back. And as unconvincing as always.

DP. You actually believe all Democrats feel 100% the way you do, don't you? Your tired "MAGA" response to anyone who dares to disagree is pathetic and boring. The PP is correct.

[Anonymous]

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Do not want to reveal any details or give any info to DOGE however tangential. Believe me I am a moderate democrat. No love for MAGA.

When there is federal funding deadline to use up the funds, we end up giving research money in the last 2 months to whatever ridiculous proposal comes along to use up these funds or we do not get the baseline funding for next year. This happens year after year. We see the results and they are pretty much a waste of time. My BIL is a professor at a university and there are few of these there as well.

Realigning things and tightening belts is fine.

Crushing universities and creating a climate of terror or not fine.

What Trump is doing right now has nothing to do with sensible efforts to increase efficiency

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Do not want to reveal any details or give any info to DOGE however tangential. Believe me I am a moderate democrat. No love for MAGA.

When there is federal funding deadline to use up the funds, we end up giving research money in the last 2 months to whatever ridiculous proposal comes along to use up these funds or we do not get the baseline funding for next year. This happens year after year. We see the results and they are pretty much a waste of time. My BIL is a professor at a university and there are few of these there as well.

Realigning things and tightening belts is fine.

Crushing universities and creating a climate of terror or not fine.

What Trump is doing right now has nothing to do with sensible efforts to increase efficiency

"A climate of terror"?? "Crushing universities"? I have to laugh at the constant hyperbole coming from the left.
DP

[Anonymous]

How are things at Purdue?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t care at all, let these wealthy schools fund themselves and get off the public dole. Signed, 2x Ivy grad

Totally agree.

The federal government is paying for research. The question is not the public dole. The question is do we want federally funded research. The results of research are not often for government use, although sometimes it’s purely for the government use, but for the advancement of knowledge.

The research is in a wide range of areas and some may be important to different people at different times. Lots of cancer research, aging, MS, arthritis, genetic markers, dementia, spinal injuries, stuff like that. Also, how to improve propulsion for aircraft, how to improve integrated circuits, safety gloves, active noise cancelling, testing for food contamination that can done in the spot.

Private companies don’t make this stuff up out of thin air. Maybe people think they should and that’s the problem. The underlying research comes from published research, often out of university. This isn’t the dole. It’s the foundation of innovation.

[Anonymous]

Anytime someone says I see there is some waste and we need to streamline costs, many people start foaming at the mouth, "OMG MAGA, MAGA...." "MA...aaaa.....GA.....aaaaaa".

Now, as a moderate, I can see why a scalpel is not the answer. Sensible efficiency? It does not work. That is why as a moderate, I am with Trump on this issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All Americans - liberal, conservative, and apolitical - should be very concerned about the future of college given how Trump & Vance are attacking it. It is arson with no architecture. They don't have a vision for fixing it, they just want it to die.

I am paying careful attention and am very happy with the changes. These are much needed.

The people who are unhappy are those who are content to receive funds without needing to demonstrate any results.

Now the fun part - the supposed liberals who are "open" to new ideas and alternative viewpoints, think none of the above is an "acceptable" viewpoint. Because the above must have been written by a MAGA advocate and therefore not a valid view.

-A moderate democrat who voted for Kamala

Look the MAGA troll that always claims to be a dem is back. And as unconvincing as always.

This is why I am really really really loving what Trump is doing. I am going to really really really enjoy the next 4 years.

Knowing you guys are going to cry cry cry, is only going to make each day, really really really bright! Loving it!

Looking forward to a 3rd term and 8 more years!

Is there truly nothing else that makes your days bright? Really?

Have you ever seen a movie and enjoyed seeing the villain suffer in the end? It is very satisfying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I see both sides. Universities have been on a wild spending spree- lazy rivers in dorms, every kid gets their own room and bathroom, cleaning ladies for dorms, massive gyms for regular students to work out in.

My best memories in college were spent in a triple (to the horror of current college students). It was so much fun that we all requested triples the next year too. College can be fun even if colleges spent less money on luxe facilities.

That being said- I love how Americans go off to college. My European friends all either lived at home or they lived in a big city and rented an appt near their university. It sounded totally different than my experience.

My maga in-laws biggest gripe is the massive endowments of these universities who are still accepting federal funds. I really can’t speak to that, but it gets brought up again and again.

Oh and to the person up thread AC is not a luxury.

Which colleges have this? We've toured a bunch and all are triple/doubles with shared bathrooms, have to clean bathrooms themselves for most part, and zero lazy rivers. Also, many dorms in southern CA at prestigious colleges with zero AC.