The End of College Life - Wash U Prof's article in the Atlantic

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/01/opinion/paul-weiss-columbia-dei.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c&pvid=2B8B82FC-13A6-4415-9C13-ACED357EEEE3

NY Times today. And no, I don’t have a gift link

and this very insightful comment made by a reader who is a professor —

‘I am a university professor, I voted Harris, and I wish Trump would order my place to lower tuition across the board 25% or lose access to the federal loan system. The response would be to cut services, jobs, offices, etc that had nothing to do with research or student success/learning - in other words, precisely what my institution needs to do to survive. Such an order is unimaginable under a Democrat President. I am quite familiar with Columbia: cutting tuition 25% could be done immediately, and easily, and the entire issue goes away. Public opinion is against Columbia not because it peddles pro-Hamas nonsense, it’s because it became the symbol of popular, wide spread disdain for universities that harvest the wealth of families who committed the grave sin of raising children smart enough to go to college. Universities have lost their way, completely bloated with non-essential jobs that boost tuition. Both the Right and Left are aware of it, but no one does anything about it. No sector needs a “DOGE solution” more than higher education.’

This I agree with.

So you think the government should be able dictate the cost of tuition?

Trump and his project 2025 people have proposed ending Parent Plus loans. These are the federal loans parents take when their children max out the $6500 a year the child can take in loans. There is no max to these loans.

This won’t impact the places Trump wants to punish because there are plenty of full pay and endowed scholarships, but it will drive the other thousands of colleges to reduce their price or just go out of business. I guess Trump would like that too.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2023/12/03/parents-struggle-student-loan-debt/71680559007/

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Trump and his project 2025 people have proposed ending Parent Plus loans. These are the federal loans parents take when their children max out the $6500 a year the child can take in loans. There is no max to these loans.

This won’t impact the places Trump wants to punish because there are plenty of full pay and endowed scholarships, but it will drive the other thousands of colleges to reduce their price or just go out of business. I guess Trump would like that too.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2023/12/03/parents-struggle-student-loan-debt/71680559007/

The article you linked to says that these loans are being taken by people who can't afford them, driving them into debt, with a 10% default rate overall and 20% amongst Black community. It is a damning indictment of the Parent Plus program.

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Trump is a small, mean man who wants to suck out all the greatness of America.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is a small, mean man who wants to suck out all the greatness of America.

Kamala is a loser. Biden is a thief. Walz is a kook. Clintons are crooks. Schumer wants non-citizens to vote. Obama doesn't want illegals next to his fancy home. Pelosi is plastic. Ilhan Omar commited incest. Pritzker is fat. Newsom is shiny.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is a small, mean man who wants to suck out all the greatness of America.

Kamala is a loser. Biden is a thief. Walz is a kook. Clintons are crooks. Schumer wants non-citizens to vote. Obama doesn't want illegals next to his fancy home. Pelosi is plastic. Ilhan Omar commited incest. Pritzker is fat. Newsom is shiny.

The US is the crap country that produced them all. Absolute fluke that the university system had the run that it did. But we all enjoy destruction. America is garbage, time to make it apparent.

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What you don’t get is that this will just kill off most schools.

It won't kill off most schools, but it will force them to cut the flab and make choices on how to spend limited money. It will kill some schools, that is a much needed Darwinian fitness test.

They are cutting research, not “flab”.

MAGAs are dumb AF.

Look beneath the surface & see what this “research” is focused on, moron.

Please enlighten us. Be specific.

The Trump admin is attaching education because it threatens his fascist plans. Period.

If they actually cared about improving efficiency or trimming the fat they wouldn't do what they are doing.

You are the moron.

+1

MAGA trash and the fake D trolls love to push their lies, but the rest of us can see what is really happening here.

No, liberal Dem here and I think colleges have been broken for years, and need revamping

What TF does that have to do with what the orange turd is doing?

This isn’t the solution to anything.

You’re either a troll or dumb AF.

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Anonymous wrote:My college did not take any federal Funds. We had sports, but we have profitable ones, my year the basketball team went to Final Four.

When I say direct the school of course students got Financial Aid from FASFA etc and since a Catholic University we paid no property tax.

But we did just fine as we did not have research stuff and it was a commuter school at time. No Dorms so Campus at night just a few Security Guards, same as weekends. No big costs.

Plus a lot of priests did not even get paid. Our President of School had no salary.

mathwise the year we went to Final Four we had a lot of games on natonal TV. CBS paid us a million a game back them per game on national TV. Plus we were selling 20,000 seats a game at the Garden for like $20 bucks each for home games.

Tuition was only $4,000 a single televised basketball game could support 250 scholarships.

And our cafeteria and security guards we used to pay very low salaries but gave free tuition to their kids. We had several retired cops working with kids in school.

This is all pre hiking tuition prices and gvt. funding. They ran the school to be afordable.


I knew a few SAHMs who worked in Cafeteria or secretary to get kids school paid for.

That business model broke 30-45 years ago most schools as they became big business models with high tuition

Which college is this?

The college is St. Johns (not the cool one) and every number the PP posted is off by orders of magnitude. They post this frequently, which tells you all you need to know about the relevance of these discussions.

[Anonymous]

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What you don’t get is that this will just kill off most schools.

It won't kill off most schools, but it will force them to cut the flab and make choices on how to spend limited money. It will kill some schools, that is a much needed Darwinian fitness test.

They are cutting research, not “flab”.

MAGAs are dumb AF.

Look beneath the surface & see what this “research” is focused on, moron.

Please enlighten us. Be specific.

The Trump admin is attaching education because it threatens his fascist plans. Period.

If they actually cared about improving efficiency or trimming the fat they wouldn't do what they are doing.

You are the moron.

+1

MAGA trash and the fake D trolls love to push their lies, but the rest of us can see what is really happening here.

No, liberal Dem here and I think colleges have been broken for years, and need revamping

What TF does that have to do with what the orange turd is doing?

This isn’t the solution to anything.

You’re either a troll or dumb AF.

Classy.

Uh, Trump is reacting to an overall sentiment that these schools have gone off the rails. And many people - even Dems like me- agree.

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What you don’t get is that this will just kill off most schools.

It won't kill off most schools, but it will force them to cut the flab and make choices on how to spend limited money. It will kill some schools, that is a much needed Darwinian fitness test.

They are cutting research, not “flab”.

MAGAs are dumb AF.

Look beneath the surface & see what this “research” is focused on, moron.

Please enlighten us. Be specific.

The Trump admin is attaching education because it threatens his fascist plans. Period.

If they actually cared about improving efficiency or trimming the fat they wouldn't do what they are doing.

You are the moron.

+1

MAGA trash and the fake D trolls love to push their lies, but the rest of us can see what is really happening here.

No, liberal Dem here and I think colleges have been broken for years, and need revamping

And revamping looks like? What do you actually want, it's easy to complain.

You must be a college admin

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My college did not take any federal Funds. We had sports, but we have profitable ones, my year the basketball team went to Final Four.

When I say direct the school of course students got Financial Aid from FASFA etc and since a Catholic University we paid no property tax.

But we did just fine as we did not have research stuff and it was a commuter school at time. No Dorms so Campus at night just a few Security Guards, same as weekends. No big costs.

Plus a lot of priests did not even get paid. Our President of School had no salary.

mathwise the year we went to Final Four we had a lot of games on natonal TV. CBS paid us a million a game back them per game on national TV. Plus we were selling 20,000 seats a game at the Garden for like $20 bucks each for home games.

Tuition was only $4,000 a single televised basketball game could support 250 scholarships.

And our cafeteria and security guards we used to pay very low salaries but gave free tuition to their kids. We had several retired cops working with kids in school.

This is all pre hiking tuition prices and gvt. funding. They ran the school to be afordable.


I knew a few SAHMs who worked in Cafeteria or secretary to get kids school paid for.

That business model broke 30-45 years ago most schools as they became big business models with high tuition

Which college is this?

The college is St. Johns (not the cool one) and every number the PP posted is off by orders of magnitude. They post this frequently, which tells you all you need to know about the relevance of these discussions.

You seem hysterically protective of universities. Why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My college did not take any federal Funds. We had sports, but we have profitable ones, my year the basketball team went to Final Four.

When I say direct the school of course students got Financial Aid from FASFA etc and since a Catholic University we paid no property tax.

But we did just fine as we did not have research stuff and it was a commuter school at time. No Dorms so Campus at night just a few Security Guards, same as weekends. No big costs.

Plus a lot of priests did not even get paid. Our President of School had no salary.

mathwise the year we went to Final Four we had a lot of games on natonal TV. CBS paid us a million a game back them per game on national TV. Plus we were selling 20,000 seats a game at the Garden for like $20 bucks each for home games.

Tuition was only $4,000 a single televised basketball game could support 250 scholarships.

And our cafeteria and security guards we used to pay very low salaries but gave free tuition to their kids. We had several retired cops working with kids in school.

This is all pre hiking tuition prices and gvt. funding. They ran the school to be afordable.


I knew a few SAHMs who worked in Cafeteria or secretary to get kids school paid for.

That business model broke 30-45 years ago most schools as they became big business models with high tuition

Which college is this?

The college is St. Johns (not the cool one) and every number the PP posted is off by orders of magnitude. They post this frequently, which tells you all you need to know about the relevance of these discussions.

You seem hysterically protective of universities. Why?

Not at all, just amused that batshit boomers are carrying the conversation. I was joking, I wouldn't send a kid to St. John's MD/SF either. --actual parent of a college students

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Our world class University system isn't perfect, but we will miss it when it is gone. A Chinese Century awaits us!

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the US college system for all its warts and faults is still the best in the world. I was an international student who came to study here. The spiraling cost needs to be reigned in, as it is unsustainable, but let's do it in an orderly and sensible fashion. Taking the hatchet to research and development (R&D) is not the right way. Innovation will be critical to maintain the US' status as a world leader.

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Anonymous wrote:There is so much waste on the college campuses of today particularly those that do research. I live in a Division 1 college town and have friends that work for the university and rarely have to step foot on campus. A lot of my friends frequently travel around the world going to conferences.

I bet they don't spend as much as Trump spends on one golf trip to Florida. Waste of our taxes.

I'd much rather pay for scientific and health research that might save my life one day than pay for fatty to play golf.

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Anonymous wrote:The colleges, especially high level schools are so top heavy with fluff and administrators.

They could make cuts without impacting students or instructions.

+1
Went to an ivy that had less fluff and overblown admin budgets 30yrs ago and it was an excellent education. Kid attends now, still an excellent education, improvements include much smaller classes, but there is also unnecessary excess, not research related, to be cut.

You sound like Elon Musk!