The End of College Life - Wash U Prof's article in the Atlantic

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Anonymous wrote:Anytime someone says I see there is some waste and we need to streamline costs, many people start foaming at the mouth, "OMG MAGA, MAGA...." "MA...aaaa.....GA.....aaaaaa".

Now, as a moderate, I can see why a scalpel is not the answer. Sensible efficiency? It does not work. That is why as a moderate, I am with Trump on this issue.

On which issue though? A reduction of federally funded research across the board to public universities? A reduction in federally funded research? Or taxing endowments? The elimination of DEI? Or all of the above?

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Anonymous wrote:I see both sides. Universities have been on a wild spending spree- lazy rivers in dorms, every kid gets their own room and bathroom, cleaning ladies for dorms, massive gyms for regular students to work out in.

My best memories in college were spent in a triple (to the horror of current college students). It was so much fun that we all requested triples the next year too. College can be fun even if colleges spent less money on luxe facilities.

That being said- I love how Americans go off to college. My European friends all either lived at home or they lived in a big city and rented an appt near their university. It sounded totally different than my experience.

My maga in-laws biggest gripe is the massive endowments of these universities who are still accepting federal funds. I really can’t speak to that, but it gets brought up again and again.

Oh and to the person up thread AC is not a luxury.

Which colleges have this? We've toured a bunch and all are triple/doubles with shared bathrooms, have to clean bathrooms themselves for most part, and zero lazy rivers. Also, many dorms in southern CA at prestigious colleges with zero AC.

Same. Very few singles and housing is a fight to get. You might get a questionable cot in a converted basement in one of the older buildings. Exactly zero lazy rivers.

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Anonymous wrote:All Americans - liberal, conservative, and apolitical - should be very concerned about the future of college given how Trump & Vance are attacking it. It is arson with no architecture. They don't have a vision for fixing it, they just want it to die.

I am paying careful attention and am very happy with the changes. These are much needed.

The people who are unhappy are those who are content to receive funds without needing to demonstrate any results.

Now the fun part - the supposed liberals who are "open" to new ideas and alternative viewpoints, think none of the above is an "acceptable" viewpoint. Because the above must have been written by a MAGA advocate and therefore not a valid view.

-A moderate democrat who voted for Kamala

Look the MAGA troll that always claims to be a dem is back. And as unconvincing as always.

This is why I am really really really loving what Trump is doing. I am going to really really really enjoy the next 4 years.

Knowing you guys are going to cry cry cry, is only going to make each day, really really really bright! Loving it!

Looking forward to a 3rd term and 8 more years!

Seek a second amendment solution for yourself.

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The cluelessness and stupidity on display in this thread makes it quite clear how we ended up with a low-IQ troll for a president.

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Anonymous wrote:The cluelessness and stupidity on display in this thread makes it quite clear how we ended up with a low-IQ troll for a president.

Nah! Smugness exactly like you exhibited is what got us Trump. So, thank you for your contribution!

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Anonymous wrote:I see both sides. Universities have been on a wild spending spree- lazy rivers in dorms, every kid gets their own room and bathroom, cleaning ladies for dorms, massive gyms for regular students to work out in.

My best memories in college were spent in a triple (to the horror of current college students). It was so much fun that we all requested triples the next year too. College can be fun even if colleges spent less money on luxe facilities.

That being said- I love how Americans go off to college. My European friends all either lived at home or they lived in a big city and rented an appt near their university. It sounded totally different than my experience.

My maga in-laws biggest gripe is the massive endowments of these universities who are still accepting federal funds. I really can’t speak to that, but it gets brought up again and again.

Oh and to the person up thread AC is not a luxury.

Which colleges have this? We've toured a bunch and all are triple/doubles with shared bathrooms, have to clean bathrooms themselves for most part, and zero lazy rivers. Also, many dorms in southern CA at prestigious colleges with zero AC.

Apparently mostly 'MAGA country' colleges such as LSU, Mizzou, Texas Tech, Univ of Iowa, UCF, Univ of North FL,..............not to mention the most comfort/luxe dorms and facilities usually found in places that won't be affected by fed funding cuts such as Liberty and High Point.

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There is too much federal $ going to colleges and there is a lot of bloat. I wish there was a better, internal means of decreasing the crazy.

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Anonymous wrote:If federal funding of research was being used to subsidize all this stuff, doesn’t this just prove that it was being misused? Why not just end the research that was being funded?

Do you understand how innovation works in a post-capitalist society?

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Anonymous wrote:There is so much waste on the college campuses of today particularly those that do research. I live in a Division 1 college town and have friends that work for the university and rarely have to step foot on campus. A lot of my friends frequently travel around the world going to conferences.

Research is how advancement happens. there is a reason the US universities are generally the envy of the world, and kids globally have clamored to be able to attend. They are also economic engines for the towns and states where they are located and provide a well trained workforce for local and regional economies.

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Anonymous wrote:All Americans - liberal, conservative, and apolitical - should be very concerned about the future of college given how Trump & Vance are attacking it. It is arson with no architecture. They don't have a vision for fixing it, they just want it to die.

I am paying careful attention and am very happy with the changes. These are much needed.

The people who are unhappy are those who are content to receive funds without needing to demonstrate any results.

Now the fun part - the supposed liberals who are "open" to new ideas and alternative viewpoints, think none of the above is an "acceptable" viewpoint. Because the above must have been written by a MAGA advocate and therefore not a valid view.

-A moderate democrat who voted for Kamala

Researchers have to demonstrate results. Often they are contractually obligated to publish their results no matter what. They don’t have to demonstrate success. That is an important concept in science and engineering. You can’t guarantee success, nor should you, when trialing new concepts in basic and applied research.

An epic cope!

This is ridiculous. Do you think all experiments work out the way a scientist expects/wants them to?

+1 and scientists learn even when experiments don’t support the hypothesis.

Of course in a lot of fields they won’t be able to publish unless their results fit the prevailing orthodoxy.

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Anonymous wrote:The cluelessness and stupidity on display in this thread makes it quite clear how we ended up with a low-IQ troll for a president.

Nah! Smugness exactly like you exhibited is what got us Trump. So, thank you for your contribution!

Babe, "smugness" is not what got us Trump, idiots voting for one of their kind is what got us Trump.

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I think we should adopt the European model of all schools being essentially commuter schools based in big cities and students living at home. Those from rural areas should get the doems but there should be no special prestige in dorm life.
I come from a country like this and there was no special desired social life in the dorms, or it included the kids who lived at home too.
Such a waste of parents money to think that dorm life is something of huge value.

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Evolution happens. The future will be different but that is not necessarily better or worse.

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Anonymous wrote:All Americans - liberal, conservative, and apolitical - should be very concerned about the future of college given how Trump & Vance are attacking it. It is arson with no architecture. They don't have a vision for fixing it, they just want it to die.

I am paying careful attention and am very happy with the changes. These are much needed.

The people who are unhappy are those who are content to receive funds without needing to demonstrate any results.

Now the fun part - the supposed liberals who are "open" to new ideas and alternative viewpoints, think none of the above is an "acceptable" viewpoint. Because the above must have been written by a MAGA advocate and therefore not a valid view.

-A moderate democrat who voted for Kamala

Look the MAGA troll that always claims to be a dem is back. And as unconvincing as always.

This is why I am really really really loving what Trump is doing. I am going to really really really enjoy the next 4 years.

Knowing you guys are going to cry cry cry, is only going to make each day, really really really bright! Loving it!

Looking forward to a 3rd term and 8 more years!

Is there truly nothing else that makes your days bright? Really?

Have you ever seen a movie and enjoyed seeing the villain suffer in the end? It is very satisfying.

Eh, seems kinda empty to me. Glee isn’t joy, in the same way cotton candy isn’t sustenance. But have a nice life, I guess.

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Anonymous wrote:The cluelessness and stupidity on display in this thread makes it quite clear how we ended up with a low-IQ troll for a president.

Nah! Smugness exactly like you exhibited is what got us Trump. So, thank you for your contribution!

Funny, I thought it was the price of eggs, which were going to come down in day one. Good thing that happe—

Wait.