The End of College Life - Wash U Prof's article in the Atlantic

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Anonymous wrote:In my opinion, unless Universities undertake a major course correction and become viewpoint neutral, hire many more conservative leaning faculty and shutter some of these crazy left leaning departments, they are not worth saving. It's better to see these Ellie universities fold.

You should watch less Fox News.

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Anonymous wrote: You should watch less Fox News.

Aaah, the "you should watch less fox news" hail Mary. 😂😂😂

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In my opinion, unless Universities undertake a major course correction and become viewpoint neutral, hire many more conservative leaning faculty and shutter some of these crazy left leaning departments, they are not worth saving. It's better to see these Ellie universities fold.

What conservative viewpoints are based in reality? Sure you can make your anti-gender studies, pro-western colonization theories, but I don't see why that requires shuttering women studies departments.

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Anonymous wrote:The colleges, especially high level schools are so top heavy with fluff and administrators.

They could make cuts without impacting students or instructions.

+1
Went to an ivy that had less fluff and overblown admin budgets 30yrs ago and it was an excellent education. Kid attends now, still an excellent education, improvements include much smaller classes, but there is also unnecessary excess, not research related, to be cut.

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I'm curious how people "know" that there is fluff and administrative bloat? I was an administrative staff person at a university- if you asked the professors, they might say that our department was bloat simply because many don't like dealing with us. Yet, they (and only a few with loud voices) were the first to scream if they didn't receive immediate attention.
Additionally, research projects are all different and need something different to succeed- so someone's large travel budget may be for essential national and international collaborations. Someone's large supply budget may be supporting a critical lab. Workshops and training budgets are important for states/areas that are historically underfunded and are trying to train K-12 teachers and engage students in areas like STEM so we see more rising talent.
This all makes me sad- we are not that far from a universal flu vaccine, Alzheimer's research may be reaching a critical success point, and currently 20% of our population will die from cancer- it's being researched at many universities on all fronts.

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I also think colleges need to reform how they do admissions. They are getting too much in tax subsidies to have admissions criteria that favor the rich the way that they do. And then they try to get around that through affirmative action for URMs (which I support) but that leaves lower middle class white/Asian kids out in the cold. I also think they need to rethink international admissions for undergrads. THose kids often stick to themselves while in college so don't really add much for their classmates and they international students are often very wealthy.

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My college did not take any federal Funds. We had sports, but we have profitable ones, my year the basketball team went to Final Four.

When I say direct the school of course students got Financial Aid from FASFA etc and since a Catholic University we paid no property tax.

But we did just fine as we did not have research stuff and it was a commuter school at time. No Dorms so Campus at night just a few Security Guards, same as weekends. No big costs.

Plus a lot of priests did not even get paid. Our President of School had no salary.

mathwise the year we went to Final Four we had a lot of games on natonal TV. CBS paid us a million a game back them per game on national TV. Plus we were selling 20,000 seats a game at the Garden for like $20 bucks each for home games.

Tuition was only $4,000 a single televised basketball game could support 250 scholarships.

And our cafeteria and security guards we used to pay very low salaries but gave free tuition to their kids. We had several retired cops working with kids in school.

This is all pre hiking tuition prices and gvt. funding. They ran the school to be afordable.


I knew a few SAHMs who worked in Cafeteria or secretary to get kids school paid for.

That business model broke 30-45 years ago most schools as they became big business models with high tuition

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm curious how people "know" that there is fluff and administrative bloat? I was an administrative staff person at a university- if you asked the professors, they might say that our department was bloat simply because many don't like dealing with us. Yet, they (and only a few with loud voices) were the first to scream if they didn't receive immediate attention.
Additionally, research projects are all different and need something different to succeed- so someone's large travel budget may be for essential national and international collaborations. Someone's large supply budget may be supporting a critical lab. Workshops and training budgets are important for states/areas that are historically underfunded and are trying to train K-12 teachers and engage students in areas like STEM so we see more rising talent.
This all makes me sad- we are not that far from a universal flu vaccine, Alzheimer's research may be reaching a critical success point, and currently 20% of our population will die from cancer- it's being researched at many universities on all fronts.

“Cutting the fluff” is a RWNJ wet dream. They get off on their narrative so they eat up whatever crap their “news” source feeds them.

Facts. Don’t. Matter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My college did not take any federal Funds. We had sports, but we have profitable ones, my year the basketball team went to Final Four.

When I say direct the school of course students got Financial Aid from FASFA etc and since a Catholic University we paid no property tax.

But we did just fine as we did not have research stuff and it was a commuter school at time. No Dorms so Campus at night just a few Security Guards, same as weekends. No big costs.

Plus a lot of priests did not even get paid. Our President of School had no salary.

mathwise the year we went to Final Four we had a lot of games on natonal TV. CBS paid us a million a game back them per game on national TV. Plus we were selling 20,000 seats a game at the Garden for like $20 bucks each for home games.

Tuition was only $4,000 a single televised basketball game could support 250 scholarships.

And our cafeteria and security guards we used to pay very low salaries but gave free tuition to their kids. We had several retired cops working with kids in school.

This is all pre hiking tuition prices and gvt. funding. They ran the school to be afordable.


I knew a few SAHMs who worked in Cafeteria or secretary to get kids school paid for.

That business model broke 30-45 years ago most schools as they became big business models with high tuition

Which college is this?

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What you don’t get is that this will just kill off most schools.

It won't kill off most schools, but it will force them to cut the flab and make choices on how to spend limited money. It will kill some schools, that is a much needed Darwinian fitness test.

They are cutting research, not “flab”.

MAGAs are dumb AF.

Look beneath the surface & see what this “research” is focused on, moron.

Please enlighten us. Be specific.

The Trump admin is attaching education because it threatens his fascist plans. Period.

If they actually cared about improving efficiency or trimming the fat they wouldn't do what they are doing.

You are the moron.

+1

MAGA trash and the fake D trolls love to push their lies, but the rest of us can see what is really happening here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm curious how people "know" that there is fluff and administrative bloat? I was an administrative staff person at a university- if you asked the professors, they might say that our department was bloat simply because many don't like dealing with us. Yet, they (and only a few with loud voices) were the first to scream if they didn't receive immediate attention.
Additionally, research projects are all different and need something different to succeed- so someone's large travel budget may be for essential national and international collaborations. Someone's large supply budget may be supporting a critical lab. Workshops and training budgets are important for states/areas that are historically underfunded and are trying to train K-12 teachers and engage students in areas like STEM so we see more rising talent.
This all makes me sad- we are not that far from a universal flu vaccine, Alzheimer's research may be reaching a critical success point, and currently 20% of our population will die from cancer- it's being researched at many universities on all fronts.

Come on, please. No one wants to see cancer research cut but if you claim that colleges aren’t far too expensive and need to do some cost cutting and focus on educational mission, you are simply FOS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My college did not take any federal Funds. We had sports, but we have profitable ones, my year the basketball team went to Final Four.

When I say direct the school of course students got Financial Aid from FASFA etc and since a Catholic University we paid no property tax.

But we did just fine as we did not have research stuff and it was a commuter school at time. No Dorms so Campus at night just a few Security Guards, same as weekends. No big costs.

Plus a lot of priests did not even get paid. Our President of School had no salary.

mathwise the year we went to Final Four we had a lot of games on natonal TV. CBS paid us a million a game back them per game on national TV. Plus we were selling 20,000 seats a game at the Garden for like $20 bucks each for home games.

Tuition was only $4,000 a single televised basketball game could support 250 scholarships.

And our cafeteria and security guards we used to pay very low salaries but gave free tuition to their kids. We had several retired cops working with kids in school.

This is all pre hiking tuition prices and gvt. funding. They ran the school to be afordable.


I knew a few SAHMs who worked in Cafeteria or secretary to get kids school paid for.

That business model broke 30-45 years ago most schools as they became big business models with high tuition

Thank you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
What you don’t get is that this will just kill off most schools.

It won't kill off most schools, but it will force them to cut the flab and make choices on how to spend limited money. It will kill some schools, that is a much needed Darwinian fitness test.

They are cutting research, not “flab”.

MAGAs are dumb AF.

Look beneath the surface & see what this “research” is focused on, moron.

Please enlighten us. Be specific.

The Trump admin is attaching education because it threatens his fascist plans. Period.

If they actually cared about improving efficiency or trimming the fat they wouldn't do what they are doing.

You are the moron.

+1

MAGA trash and the fake D trolls love to push their lies, but the rest of us can see what is really happening here.

No, liberal Dem here and I think colleges have been broken for years, and need revamping

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
What you don’t get is that this will just kill off most schools.

It won't kill off most schools, but it will force them to cut the flab and make choices on how to spend limited money. It will kill some schools, that is a much needed Darwinian fitness test.

They are cutting research, not “flab”.

MAGAs are dumb AF.

Look beneath the surface & see what this “research” is focused on, moron.

Please enlighten us. Be specific.

The Trump admin is attaching education because it threatens his fascist plans. Period.

If they actually cared about improving efficiency or trimming the fat they wouldn't do what they are doing.

You are the moron.

+1

MAGA trash and the fake D trolls love to push their lies, but the rest of us can see what is really happening here.

No, liberal Dem here and I think colleges have been broken for years, and need revamping

And revamping looks like? What do you actually want, it's easy to complain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm curious how people "know" that there is fluff and administrative bloat? I was an administrative staff person at a university- if you asked the professors, they might say that our department was bloat simply because many don't like dealing with us. Yet, they (and only a few with loud voices) were the first to scream if they didn't receive immediate attention.
Additionally, research projects are all different and need something different to succeed- so someone's large travel budget may be for essential national and international collaborations. Someone's large supply budget may be supporting a critical lab. Workshops and training budgets are important for states/areas that are historically underfunded and are trying to train K-12 teachers and engage students in areas like STEM so we see more rising talent.
This all makes me sad- we are not that far from a universal flu vaccine, Alzheimer's research may be reaching a critical success point, and currently 20% of our population will die from cancer- it's being researched at many universities on all fronts.

Great question.

Let's hire an Assistant Dean of Staff Management to find out.

/s

"Administrative bloat" is an incredibly well documented issue in higher education. Like, I really don't even know how to answer your question because there's so many sources and statistics out there about skyrocketing administrative costs/number of non-instructional staff at universities. It's like asking "I'm curious how people "know" that the US has industrialized over the years"...because it's just a fact that is known to anyone that pays a modicum of attention.