Is it time for a 3rd party?

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Anonymous wrote:Advocate in your state for proportional Electoral College vote. Don’t just vote down the line but choose the best candidate for each position. Increase knowledge about the candidates. Require term limits in Congress.

Electoral College? Senate?
Go to Montana and North Dakota and throw money at people and promise them more.

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Anonymous wrote:MAGA is the third party.
Small r republicans are dead. If anything we need a new Republican Party that looks like the old one. Not this batsh*t one

Explain the difference between MAGA’s and republicans. Because I truly don’t see it. Their Venn Diagrams are a circle.

If there is a difference, it would be that a MAGA Republican actually supports the idea of Trump being the best option for POTUS- a true Trump supporter. A normal Republican would be someone that may vote for Trump as their perceived lesser of two evils but does not support the notion of Trump being anywhere near the best person for the job.

And where do Elon Musk and Project 2025 fit in with these republicans?

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3rd party is not viable in the US winner takes it all system. Until we have a parlimentary system with proportional representation, it wouldn't win any power.

We will remain a two party system as long as the very powerful, wealthy, and awful two parties we have are in still power. They get to set the rules and they'll continue to make it harder and harder for their power to be challenged in any matter. A true uni-party in this regard.

Anybody still screaming "uniparty" after Jan 20 is braindead.

Your pet issue being widely unpopular does make the majority a uniparty.

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Anonymous wrote:With the republicans totally off the rails and trying to destroy this country and go against the constitution, and it seems people have little confidence in the Dems maybe it’s time for a 3rd party to emerge? I feel like at this time it can gain momentum. Maybe something more centrist but on the socially progressive side.

Mathematically, it is unlikely that a third party of significant size could develop in the U.S., as explained by "Duverger's Law":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law#:~:text=In%20political%20science%2C%20Duverger's%20law,main%20parties%20tend%20to%20emerge.

The first US President said "please guys no parties" and the first parties were formed before he left office.

If you think the US can have a viable 3rd party under the US Constitution, you're a moron.

The best you can hope for is for a dominant party to fracture and one part replace the other, like MAGA just did to the "conservatives".

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Anonymous wrote:No, it’s time to make room for more diversity of thought in the Democratic Party so people who aren’t wanting to go whole hog on super lefty talking points feel welcome.

Pretty sure it wasn't "super lefty talking points" that thought it was wise to nominate 78 year old Joe Biden in 2020. Take Biden out of the 2020 equation and replace him with a normal candidate and there is no Trump second term and all of this talking point and messaging hullabaloo wouldn't be necessary.

Yes, Biden's decision to run for reelection is the original sin that got us into this mess and a new Trump presidency. If 83 year old Biden had remained a one term president - as he promised - we would have had a competitive primary process and a candidate that would have easily beaten Trump. Third parties don't work in a two party system. At best, they are spoilers. And realistically, a viable third party can only succeed as a vehicle for charismatic billionaires, which we really don't need any more of. Democrats made a terrible choice by supporting a gerontocracy. The real lesson is that everyone at the DNC needs to be banished from politics forever and Democrats need to commit to free and fair primaries always, especially when the incumbent is feeble and old and unfit for office. This entire disaster lies at the feet of the Democratic establishment. A third party is a useless waste of time. Democrats just need to try a little democracy next time.

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3rd party is not viable in the US winner takes it all system. Until we have a parlimentary system with proportional representation, it wouldn't win any power.

We will remain a two party system as long as the very powerful, wealthy, and awful two parties we have are in still power. They get to set the rules and they'll continue to make it harder and harder for their power to be challenged in any matter. A true uni-party in this regard.

Anybody still screaming "uniparty" after Jan 20 is braindead.

Your pet issue being widely unpopular does make the majority a uniparty.

Uni-party very much so exists as in the GOP and Dem parties continually working together to set election rules that make it nearly impossible for their power to ever be challenged. It's called preservation of power by the already very wealthy and powerful people that are currently in power. Not a difficult concept to understand.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:With the republicans totally off the rails and trying to destroy this country and go against the constitution, and it seems people have little confidence in the Dems maybe it’s time for a 3rd party to emerge? I feel like at this time it can gain momentum. Maybe something more centrist but on the socially progressive side.

I'm registered with no party affiliation. It's always been time for a 3rd party, but it's a hard habit to break. Ross Perot could've pulled it off, if only he weren't crazy.

And therein lies the problem. Too much crazy

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Anonymous wrote:No, it’s time to make room for more diversity of thought in the Democratic Party so people who aren’t wanting to go whole hog on super lefty talking points feel welcome.

Pretty sure it wasn't "super lefty talking points" that thought it was wise to nominate 78 year old Joe Biden in 2020. Take Biden out of the 2020 equation and replace him with a normal candidate and there is no Trump second term and all of this talking point and messaging hullabaloo wouldn't be necessary.

Yes, Biden's decision to run for reelection is the original sin that got us into this mess and a new Trump presidency. If 83 year old Biden had remained a one term president - as he promised - we would have had a competitive primary process and a candidate that would have easily beaten Trump. Third parties don't work in a two party system. At best, they are spoilers. And realistically, a viable third party can only succeed as a vehicle for charismatic billionaires, which we really don't need any more of. Democrats made a terrible choice by supporting a gerontocracy. The real lesson is that everyone at the DNC needs to be banished from politics forever and Democrats need to commit to free and fair primaries always, especially when the incumbent is feeble and old and unfit for office. This entire disaster lies at the feet of the Democratic establishment. A third party is a useless waste of time. Democrats just need to try a little democracy next time.

Agree 100%! A simpler solution to avoiding the 2024 debacle would have been not nominating/electing a 78 year old 1st term POTUS to begin with. There is no such thing as a successful ending when you elect a 78 year old 1st term POTUS. Trump is a 78 year old 2nd term POTUS and I can guarantee you a not so happy ending with his approval ratings soon dropping to the Trump/Biden norm of 40%.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:With the republicans totally off the rails and trying to destroy this country and go against the constitution, and it seems people have little confidence in the Dems maybe it’s time for a 3rd party to emerge? I feel like at this time it can gain momentum. Maybe something more centrist but on the socially progressive side.

Our two party system worked fairly well for over 200 years because we had at least one of the two major parties functioning at an acceptable level at all times. Now that both major parties are in a failing state of dysfunction, we hear the yearning for a 3rd party frequently. The sad thing is, our current major parties have preserved their power by putting rules into place that make it extremely difficult for 3rd parties to make a splash on the state and federal levels. For that reason, I think our best bet is to pray for significant reform, new leadership to step up, or just one elite leader to emerge by 2028.

We can't afford to go through another election cycle with the Trump/Biden garbage on the table.

they haven’t been the same two parties during that time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:With the republicans totally off the rails and trying to destroy this country and go against the constitution, and it seems people have little confidence in the Dems maybe it’s time for a 3rd party to emerge? I feel like at this time it can gain momentum. Maybe something more centrist but on the socially progressive side.

After there is a landslide democrat victory in 2026, there should be a constitutional amendment to ban political parties espousing Fascist polices.

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Anonymous wrote:With the republicans totally off the rails and trying to destroy this country and go against the constitution, and it seems people have little confidence in the Dems maybe it’s time for a 3rd party to emerge? I feel like at this time it can gain momentum. Maybe something more centrist but on the socially progressive side.

Our two party system worked fairly well for over 200 years because we had at least one of the two major parties functioning at an acceptable level at all times. Now that both major parties are in a failing state of dysfunction, we hear the yearning for a 3rd party frequently. The sad thing is, our current major parties have preserved their power by putting rules into place that make it extremely difficult for 3rd parties to make a splash on the state and federal levels. For that reason, I think our best bet is to pray for significant reform, new leadership to step up, or just one elite leader to emerge by 2028.

We can't afford to go through another election cycle with the Trump/Biden garbage on the table.

they haven’t been the same two parties during that time.

Well of course not but until Obama left office, we always had at least one party functioning at an acceptable level. What they have given over the past 8 years has not been acceptable by any measure. I'm sure their wealthy donors have been happy and maybe a few MAGA idiots but most of us normal people are not happy with what our major parties have put forth during the past three election cycles.

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3rd party is not viable in the US winner takes it all system. Until we have a parlimentary system with proportional representation, it wouldn't win any power.

We will remain a two party system as long as the very powerful, wealthy, and awful two parties we have are in still power. They get to set the rules and they'll continue to make it harder and harder for their power to be challenged in any matter. A true uni-party in this regard.

It is a duopoly.

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Anonymous wrote:third parties put bad plurality candidates like Trump into office.

Didn’t the 2 party system just do that?

No

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
3rd party is not viable in the US winner takes it all system. Until we have a parlimentary system with proportional representation, it wouldn't win any power.

We will remain a two party system as long as the very powerful, wealthy, and awful two parties we have are in still power. They get to set the rules and they'll continue to make it harder and harder for their power to be challenged in any matter. A true uni-party in this regard.

It is a duopoly.

Nothing wrong with a duopoly when the two entities are supplying products that meet the wants and needs of consumers. In this case, the two entities have stopped supplying good product but they've set the rules so that no other entity can challenge with a product that may be more desirable to consumers. It's a conundrum!

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Anonymous wrote:Peeling people off to a third party just guarantees Republicans more strength.

The only way there can be a third party on the left is for there to also be a third party on the right. Many on the right want this but though crazy they are not stupid enough to not realize they still need coalition with the rest of the right.

Nonsense. There are lots of republicans who would vote for a conservative Dem if they were offered an alternative to Trump.

A Jim Webb-like candidate could easily steal half the party from Trump.

Literally how Bill Clinton the Blue Dog was elected.

I miss those Blue Dogs. Abandoned and left without a party.