One of DOGE's "cost saving" suggestions

[Anonymous]

Yup - lots of waste and sleepers in gvt but also lots of hardworking people putting in the work and extra hours. It would be lovely to think the cuts would be the waste and not the grinders, but I’m little hope of that

I'm all for cutting waste, but that's not what I was referring to. There are functions that I think are definitely beneficial and not wasteful (e.g., investigating contractor claims of whistleblower reprisal, having veterans' claims go to the Court of Appeals for Veterans' Claims before going to Federal court, Federal compensation funds for victims, agricultural research, space exploration), but if DOGE and the current administration are bent on significantly reducing the workforce, we may not be able to have those types functions/services any more. It takes people to administer functions and programs. If you want less Government, the Government is going to do less.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Yup - lots of waste and sleepers in gvt but also lots of hardworking people putting in the work and extra hours. It would be lovely to think the cuts would be the waste and not the grinders, but I’m little hope of that

I'm all for cutting waste, but that's not what I was referring to. There are functions that I think are definitely beneficial and not wasteful (e.g., investigating contractor claims of whistleblower reprisal, having veterans' claims go to the Court of Appeals for Veterans' Claims before going to Federal court, Federal compensation funds for victims, agricultural research, space exploration), but if DOGE and the current administration are bent on significantly reducing the workforce, we may not be able to have those types functions/services any more. It takes people to administer functions and programs. If you want less Government, the Government is going to do less.

I heard EPA and DoEdu have many such ‘unwanted’ functions/programs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We have a ton of mid career people walking out right now, the folks who are most valuable and can most easily get jobs in the private sector

I bet they are all getting raises in their next jobs too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So...cut the cheapest employees who are most motivated to do good work?

someone must have clued them in that even if the president wants to they can't just point a finger and immediately "lay off" tenured civil servants. But anyone on probation can be let go at any time for no reason whatsoever.

I am one of these and I had thought of that and I am totally worried. I had to worked for the Feds for 10 years, left for private sector for a few and now back to feds, but less than a year. ugh.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So...cut the cheapest employees who are most motivated to do good work?

Fire the people who are still in their probationary period and who would be entitled to minimal or no severance, I would guess. Of course, in this environment, if they were hired, they are also probably in jobs where they are really needed. But, I’m 50 and have been a Fed for 20 years. Fire me and you owe me 52 weeks severance.

Assuming that all 20 years count towards retirement, you won't receive any severance pay. Once you are eligible for retirement, there's no severance pay. You are either eligible for VERA (Voluntary) retirement or DSR (Involuntary) retirement, depending on what will be offered to you. So, you will get a pension with lifetime subsidized health insurance, but no severance pay.

A 50 year old with 20 years is not eligible for retirement

[Anonymous]

Correct but they are eligible for VERA if offered, and what the PP seems to be arguing is that a VERA would be offered to such a person not a RIF.

[Anonymous]

This is not very scientific but I hired to govt workers in the past two years, both did not last long. One three months the other nine months.

One women with 15 years all govt experience doing exact thing I hired her for to do commented I have her one project per month to do and finish Her govt job gave her 4 projects a year to do. I was giving her 4x the work she claimed.

The guy somehow he treated sick days, personal days and floating holidays like a kid in a cookie jar. Plus on in office days he was loose with the arrival time and leaving times.

His state job he mainly worked alone and had long deliverable dates. He could not get used to working certain hours each day. And he had big issues that in corporate, sick days are very very rarely taken and only when you are sick. He kept taking days for an eye exam, check up, dentist and he had issued that is not sick time. But I could allow him to take off just for time it takes to get check up,

Both loved reading HR manual looking for loop holes and both seem surprised a bit that me as their manager could fire them at any time, not give them a raise and not give them a bonus.

For both one was 42 and other 50 this was their first non State or Govt job. Both went back to State and Govt jobs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My agency did this first time around with Trump. Kinda sh*tty they called them performance based terminations but somehow they affected all the new employees.

I hope karma is karma.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow, a whole year of severance? That's amazing.

Ideally, they'd do true performance-based layoffs where needed, rather than blanket approaches or encouraging older workers to retire early. But they won't be doing anything reasonable.

Why the assumption older workers have performance issues?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is not very scientific but I hired to govt workers in the past two years, both did not last long. One three months the other nine months.

One women with 15 years all govt experience doing exact thing I hired her for to do commented I have her one project per month to do and finish Her govt job gave her 4 projects a year to do. I was giving her 4x the work she claimed.

The guy somehow he treated sick days, personal days and floating holidays like a kid in a cookie jar. Plus on in office days he was loose with the arrival time and leaving times.

His state job he mainly worked alone and had long deliverable dates. He could not get used to working certain hours each day. And he had big issues that in corporate, sick days are very very rarely taken and only when you are sick. He kept taking days for an eye exam, check up, dentist and he had issued that is not sick time. But I could allow him to take off just for time it takes to get check up,

Both loved reading HR manual looking for loop holes and both seem surprised a bit that me as their manager could fire them at any time, not give them a raise and not give them a bonus.

For both one was 42 and other 50 this was their first non State or Govt job. Both went back to State and Govt jobs

Odd that a federal employee could not understand working specific hours since that is a big requirement for a fed job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not very scientific but I hired to govt workers in the past two years, both did not last long. One three months the other nine months.

One women with 15 years all govt experience doing exact thing I hired her for to do commented I have her one project per month to do and finish Her govt job gave her 4 projects a year to do. I was giving her 4x the work she claimed.

The guy somehow he treated sick days, personal days and floating holidays like a kid in a cookie jar. Plus on in office days he was loose with the arrival time and leaving times.

His state job he mainly worked alone and had long deliverable dates. He could not get used to working certain hours each day. And he had big issues that in corporate, sick days are very very rarely taken and only when you are sick. He kept taking days for an eye exam, check up, dentist and he had issued that is not sick time. But I could allow him to take off just for time it takes to get check up,

Both loved reading HR manual looking for loop holes and both seem surprised a bit that me as their manager could fire them at any time, not give them a raise and not give them a bonus.

For both one was 42 and other 50 this was their first non State or Govt job. Both went back to State and Govt jobs

Odd that a federal employee could not understand working specific hours since that is a big requirement for a fed job.

At my agency, we have maybe five core hours two days a week, but a wide range of flex hours to get the rest of the 40.

Also, very odd that OP is in charge of anything or anyone given their poor writing skills.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is not very scientific but I hired to govt workers in the past two years, both did not last long. One three months the other nine months.

One women with 15 years all govt experience doing exact thing I hired her for to do commented I have her one project per month to do and finish Her govt job gave her 4 projects a year to do. I was giving her 4x the work she claimed.

The guy somehow he treated sick days, personal days and floating holidays like a kid in a cookie jar. Plus on in office days he was loose with the arrival time and leaving times.

His state job he mainly worked alone and had long deliverable dates. He could not get used to working certain hours each day. And he had big issues that in corporate, sick days are very very rarely taken and only when you are sick. He kept taking days for an eye exam, check up, dentist and he had issued that is not sick time. But I could allow him to take off just for time it takes to get check up,

Both loved reading HR manual looking for loop holes and both seem surprised a bit that me as their manager could fire them at any time, not give them a raise and not give them a bonus.

For both one was 42 and other 50 this was their first non State or Govt job. Both went back to State and Govt jobs

Go back to your troll farm

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many of the retired age group are begging to be bought out by VERA, let’s start there instead of gutting all of the young grunt workers making the least amount of money.

That would take more than a week to accomplish and would piss off the low IQ MAGAs because they’d see it as government giving more money to someone besides themselves. Better to do something flashy and just fire random people en masse. The goal isn’t to save money. It’s to make a scene for the high school dropouts and put the fear of god in every federal worker who’s left.

Yup. This.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So...cut the cheapest employees who are most motivated to do good work?

Fire the people who are still in their probationary period and who would be entitled to minimal or no severance, I would guess. Of course, in this environment, if they were hired, they are also probably in jobs where they are really needed. But, I’m 50 and have been a Fed for 20 years. Fire me and you owe me 52 weeks severance.

Assuming that all 20 years count towards retirement, you won't receive any severance pay. Once you are eligible for retirement, there's no severance pay. You are either eligible for VERA (Voluntary) retirement or DSR (Involuntary) retirement, depending on what will be offered to you. So, you will get a pension with lifetime subsidized health insurance, but no severance pay.

A 50 year old with 20 years is not eligible for retirement

Wrong. 50 year old in federal law enforcement with 20 years is eligible for retirement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not very scientific but I hired to govt workers in the past two years, both did not last long. One three months the other nine months.

One women with 15 years all govt experience doing exact thing I hired her for to do commented I have her one project per month to do and finish Her govt job gave her 4 projects a year to do. I was giving her 4x the work she claimed.

The guy somehow he treated sick days, personal days and floating holidays like a kid in a cookie jar. Plus on in office days he was loose with the arrival time and leaving times.

His state job he mainly worked alone and had long deliverable dates. He could not get used to working certain hours each day. And he had big issues that in corporate, sick days are very very rarely taken and only when you are sick. He kept taking days for an eye exam, check up, dentist and he had issued that is not sick time. But I could allow him to take off just for time it takes to get check up,

Both loved reading HR manual looking for loop holes and both seem surprised a bit that me as their manager could fire them at any time, not give them a raise and not give them a bonus.

For both one was 42 and other 50 this was their first non State or Govt job. Both went back to State and Govt jobs

Odd that a federal employee could not understand working specific hours since that is a big requirement for a fed job.

At my agency, we have maybe five core hours two days a week, but a wide range of flex hours to get the rest of the 40.

Also, very odd that OP is in charge of anything or anyone given their poor writing skills.

Yes but you do have to actually be there for the 40 hours. It is not a "just as long as the work is done" kind of place.