One of DOGE's "cost saving" suggestions

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Anonymous wrote:This is not very scientific but I hired to govt workers in the past two years, both did not last long. One three months the other nine months.

One women with 15 years all govt experience doing exact thing I hired her for to do commented I have her one project per month to do and finish Her govt job gave her 4 projects a year to do. I was giving her 4x the work she claimed.

The guy somehow he treated sick days, personal days and floating holidays like a kid in a cookie jar. Plus on in office days he was loose with the arrival time and leaving times.

His state job he mainly worked alone and had long deliverable dates. He could not get used to working certain hours each day. And he had big issues that in corporate, sick days are very very rarely taken and only when you are sick. He kept taking days for an eye exam, check up, dentist and he had issued that is not sick time. But I could allow him to take off just for time it takes to get check up,

Both loved reading HR manual looking for loop holes and both seem surprised a bit that me as their manager could fire them at any time, not give them a raise and not give them a bonus.

For both one was 42 and other 50 this was their first non State or Govt job. Both went back to State and Govt jobs

Uh oh 3 job guy is back.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do probationary periods reset by position or are they once-per-person. My boss is talking about promoting me into a new role and I’m wondering if that means this DOGE idea would apply to me and I should turn it down.

Only if you’re becoming SES.

Ah, thank you. It would be a GS-14 to 15 leap. Appreciate it!

Depends what the promotion position is (different role or just a GS promotion of your current role) - it could re-start the probationary period; definitely ask and don’t assume it would not.

You should check OP but when I took a job at a different agency I did not have to do another probationary period

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Anonymous wrote:So...cut the cheapest employees who are most motivated to do good work?

someone must have clued them in that even if the president wants to they can't just point a finger and immediately "lay off" tenured civil servants. But anyone on probation can be let go at any time for no reason whatsoever.

I am one of these and I had thought of that and I am totally worried. I had to worked for the Feds for 10 years, left for private sector for a few and now back to feds, but less than a year. ugh.

Check your SCD on your SF-50, service computation date. I think it should reflect your previous service and if so, I suspect you will have a different status from truly new feds.

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Anonymous wrote:So...cut the cheapest employees who are most motivated to do good work?

Fire the people who are still in their probationary period and who would be entitled to minimal or no severance, I would guess. Of course, in this environment, if they were hired, they are also probably in jobs where they are really needed. But, I’m 50 and have been a Fed for 20 years. Fire me and you owe me 52 weeks severance.

Assuming that all 20 years count towards retirement, you won't receive any severance pay. Once you are eligible for retirement, there's no severance pay. You are either eligible for VERA (Voluntary) retirement or DSR (Involuntary) retirement, depending on what will be offered to you. So, you will get a pension with lifetime subsidized health insurance, but no severance pay.

A 50 year old with 20 years is not eligible for retirement

NP and you are incorrect. A fed that is 50 years old with 20 years of service is eligible for a discontinued service retirement as the prior PP stated. Refer to Section 44A1.1-2.B. of this OPM publication: https://www.opm.gov/retirement-center/publications-forms/csrsfers-handbook/c044.pdf

Note also that a fed with 25 years of service is eligible for a DSR at any age.

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^Edit: Also, this is why they will probably not target older workers because it won't save that much money getting rid of them since they will be paying out a pension + health insurance costs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is not very scientific but I hired to govt workers in the past two years, both did not last long. One three months the other nine months.

One women with 15 years all govt experience doing exact thing I hired her for to do commented I have her one project per month to do and finish Her govt job gave her 4 projects a year to do. I was giving her 4x the work she claimed.

The guy somehow he treated sick days, personal days and floating holidays like a kid in a cookie jar. Plus on in office days he was loose with the arrival time and leaving times.

His state job he mainly worked alone and had long deliverable dates. He could not get used to working certain hours each day. And he had big issues that in corporate, sick days are very very rarely taken and only when you are sick. He kept taking days for an eye exam, check up, dentist and he had issued that is not sick time. But I could allow him to take off just for time it takes to get check up,

Both loved reading HR manual looking for loop holes and both seem surprised a bit that me as their manager could fire them at any time, not give them a raise and not give them a bonus.

For both one was 42 and other 50 this was their first non State or Govt job. Both went back to State and Govt jobs

I don’t blame them for leaving. They realized they were experienced enough they didn’t have to put up with a micromanager who tracked when they were going to dentist appointments and treated them like factor workers clocking in/out at set hours vs a flex band.

The fact you compare using PTO including floating holidays to a cookie jar tells me all I need to know about you as a manager — how dare the people you supervise actually use the benefits offered when they were hired.

[Anonymous]

it should be the oldies first

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is not very scientific but I hired to govt workers in the past two years, both did not last long. One three months the other nine months.

One women with 15 years all govt experience doing exact thing I hired her for to do commented I have her one project per month to do and finish Her govt job gave her 4 projects a year to do. I was giving her 4x the work she claimed.

The guy somehow he treated sick days, personal days and floating holidays like a kid in a cookie jar. Plus on in office days he was loose with the arrival time and leaving times.

His state job he mainly worked alone and had long deliverable dates. He could not get used to working certain hours each day. And he had big issues that in corporate, sick days are very very rarely taken and only when you are sick. He kept taking days for an eye exam, check up, dentist and he had issued that is not sick time. But I could allow him to take off just for time it takes to get check up,

Both loved reading HR manual looking for loop holes and both seem surprised a bit that me as their manager could fire them at any time, not give them a raise and not give them a bonus.

For both one was 42 and other 50 this was their first non State or Govt job. Both went back to State and Govt jobs

I realize this is a troll, but what is the alternative to the bolded? If your employer won't allow you to arrive late or leave early for regular dental/eye/medical appointments, what can you do other than take sick leave on those days? Just not go to the dentist?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is not very scientific but I hired to govt workers in the past two years, both did not last long. One three months the other nine months.

One women with 15 years all govt experience doing exact thing I hired her for to do commented I have her one project per month to do and finish Her govt job gave her 4 projects a year to do. I was giving her 4x the work she claimed.

The guy somehow he treated sick days, personal days and floating holidays like a kid in a cookie jar. Plus on in office days he was loose with the arrival time and leaving times.

His state job he mainly worked alone and had long deliverable dates. He could not get used to working certain hours each day. And he had big issues that in corporate, sick days are very very rarely taken and only when you are sick. He kept taking days for an eye exam, check up, dentist and he had issued that is not sick time. But I could allow him to take off just for time it takes to get check up,

Both loved reading HR manual looking for loop holes and both seem surprised a bit that me as their manager could fire them at any time, not give them a raise and not give them a bonus.

For both one was 42 and other 50 this was their first non State or Govt job. Both went back to State and Govt jobs

Odd that a federal employee could not understand working specific hours since that is a big requirement for a fed job.

Also odd that they expected bonuses since we don’t get those.

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not very scientific but I hired to govt workers in the past two years, both did not last long. One three months the other nine months.

One women with 15 years all govt experience doing exact thing I hired her for to do commented I have her one project per month to do and finish Her govt job gave her 4 projects a year to do. I was giving her 4x the work she claimed.

The guy somehow he treated sick days, personal days and floating holidays like a kid in a cookie jar. Plus on in office days he was loose with the arrival time and leaving times.

His state job he mainly worked alone and had long deliverable dates. He could not get used to working certain hours each day. And he had big issues that in corporate, sick days are very very rarely taken and only when you are sick. He kept taking days for an eye exam, check up, dentist and he had issued that is not sick time. But I could allow him to take off just for time it takes to get check up,

Both loved reading HR manual looking for loop holes and both seem surprised a bit that me as their manager could fire them at any time, not give them a raise and not give them a bonus.

For both one was 42 and other 50 this was their first non State or Govt job. Both went back to State and Govt jobs

Odd that a federal employee could not understand working specific hours since that is a big requirement for a fed job.

Also odd that they expected bonuses since we don’t get those.

Feds get (smallish) bonuses

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:it should be the oldies first

Yup, they are still sucking the tit and not retiring.