Why are ivies and other elite NE schools out, southern schools in?

[Anonymous]

Your cousins probably aren't admitting to their kids' GPAs. Lots of DMV kids go to weak academic/strong football large southern universities for the fun, and because they are easier to get into with a diploma from the DMV. Some want to avoid "woke" liberalism in the small liberal arts schools up north. I hear MANY kids saying they won't go to a college smaller than their high school. Most want minimum 5K students, 8-12K being ideal (ie Tulane). Tuition is often more affordable as you go south.

Some cons:
Someone mentioned safety - most southern schools allow open carry of guns.

Many red southern states are reducing investments in higher ed, and budget cuts are affecting quality.

Bans on DEI and controversial curriculum content are chasing good faculty away. Many faculty live in fear.

MAGA culture has infiltrated many of these schools, the young men in particular - anyone see the Trump rally at Coastal Carolina? Scary.

I thought about letting my daughter go south (mostly for the weather). Now she's deciding between schools in NY and MA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These don't seem like the same groups of students. I agree that southern big schools are gaining popularity - but I don't think they are pulling from the NE Ivy or bust crowd (those are more likely to try a Vandy/Duke/UCLA/Berkeley/USC alternative.

Exactly. Not same group of students. Ivies and top SLACs are more competitive than ever.

[Anonymous]

Mine wants a school bigger than 5K (more like 10K+), a well-defined campus setting and great school spirit. They also don't tolerate cold, grey weather very well. Where should they be applying if not the south?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean, they can do what they want, but I won't send my girls to the red states. And no, it's not because I think they have loose morals or whatever - I am genuinely worried about emergencies with their reproductive organs that docs in those states won't touch for fear of lawsuit. My soon to be freshman has already been told she might need a hysterectomy if other things don't work to fix her numerous issues.

So, for those heading off to these states, I hope for the best and that worst case scenario DOESN'T hit you.

Whatever. As if you would let your child get a hysterectomy anywhere else but home. Your point is ridiculous. It is as unlikely to be a factor in Houston TX as it is in the middle of nowhere New Hampshire.

Look, do people not understand emergencies? If my daughter is stuck in effing TX with a diseased uterus and/or ovaries, my concern is they will not actually operate and she will DIE. It isn't that simple to get her back home to Northern VA if her life is on the line.

If we can schedule it, great - yes, I would bring her home. But are people really this dense?

Never mind, don't answer that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The NE schools no longer offer an education. It’s now all toxic indoctrination.

The remaining real schools are in the South.

excuse me while I go laugh myself to death

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Your cousins probably aren't admitting to their kids' GPAs. Lots of DMV kids go to weak academic/strong football large southern universities for the fun, and because they are easier to get into with a diploma from the DMV. Some want to avoid "woke" liberalism in the small liberal arts schools up north. I hear MANY kids saying they won't go to a college smaller than their high school. Most want minimum 5K students, 8-12K being ideal (ie Tulane). Tuition is often more affordable as you go south.

Some cons:
Someone mentioned safety - most southern schools allow open carry of guns.

Many red southern states are reducing investments in higher ed, and budget cuts are affecting quality.

Bans on DEI and controversial curriculum content are chasing good faculty away. Many faculty live in fear.

MAGA culture has infiltrated many of these schools, the young men in particular - anyone see the Trump rally at Coastal Carolina? Scary.

I thought about letting my daughter go south (mostly for the weather). Now she's deciding between schools in NY and MA.

This is stupid.

There is no connection between crime and open carry. And all colleges are exempt from open carry. Virginia is open carry so we do not have to guess how it works. Crime rate is lower in VA than MD or DC.

Red states are not cutting investments in higher ed. That is northern states. And in any event most are going private when they go south.

DEI is being banned everywhere. Every corp, bank, school. It is a full roll back. No matter your view that it what is happening. Nothing contained to the South.

Most men vote maga. In all states.

The best places to find work and to live are in the South, not NY or MA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean, they can do what they want, but I won't send my girls to the red states. And no, it's not because I think they have loose morals or whatever - I am genuinely worried about emergencies with their reproductive organs that docs in those states won't touch for fear of lawsuit. My soon to be freshman has already been told she might need a hysterectomy if other things don't work to fix her numerous issues.

So, for those heading off to these states, I hope for the best and that worst case scenario DOESN'T hit you.

Whatever. As if you would let your child get a hysterectomy anywhere else but home. Your point is ridiculous. It is as unlikely to be a factor in Houston TX as it is in the middle of nowhere New Hampshire.

This is not a real concern that you prepare for. The chances of that happening are quite slim if almost non-existent. And then the chances of getting improper medical care are also non-existent. And the chances of moving her back to VA are overwhelming. You cannot prepare for the worst case scenario.

Look, do people not understand emergencies? If my daughter is stuck in effing TX with a diseased uterus and/or ovaries, my concern is they will not actually operate and she will DIE. It isn't that simple to get her back home to Northern VA if her life is on the line.

If we can schedule it, great - yes, I would bring her home. But are people really this dense?

Never mind, don't answer that.

This is not a real concern that you prepare for. The chances of that happening are quite slim if almost non-existent. And then the chances of getting improper medical care are also non-existent --- the only issue would be if she was pregnant and even if she was there is below a tiny percentage that she would not get normal medical care. And the chances of moving her back to VA are overwhelming. You cannot prepare for the worst case scenario when there is almost no chance it will occur.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your cousins probably aren't admitting to their kids' GPAs. Lots of DMV kids go to weak academic/strong football large southern universities for the fun, and because they are easier to get into with a diploma from the DMV. Some want to avoid "woke" liberalism in the small liberal arts schools up north. I hear MANY kids saying they won't go to a college smaller than their high school. Most want minimum 5K students, 8-12K being ideal (ie Tulane). Tuition is often more affordable as you go south.

Some cons:
Someone mentioned safety - most southern schools allow open carry of guns.

Many red southern states are reducing investments in higher ed, and budget cuts are affecting quality.

Bans on DEI and controversial curriculum content are chasing good faculty away. Many faculty live in fear.

MAGA culture has infiltrated many of these schools, the young men in particular - anyone see the Trump rally at Coastal Carolina? Scary.

I thought about letting my daughter go south (mostly for the weather). Now she's deciding between schools in NY and MA.

This is stupid.

There is no connection between crime and open carry. And all colleges are exempt from open carry. Virginia is open carry so we do not have to guess how it works. Crime rate is lower in VA than MD or DC.

Red states are not cutting investments in higher ed. That is northern states. And in any event most are going private when they go south.

DEI is being banned everywhere. Every corp, bank, school. It is a full roll back. No matter your view that it what is happening. Nothing contained to the South.

Most men vote maga. In all states.

The best places to find work and to live are in the South, not NY or MA.

Both your post and PP’s post are just rife with bullshit.

Most men don’t vote MAGA in all states…that’s silly.

Southern cities per capita are by far the most dangerous…Birmingham, Memphis…8 of the 10 most dangerous are in the South.

The “best places” to work are subjective and/or industry-based.

Decent schools like Vandy, Emory, Rice…even flagships are not MAGA-infested. Coastal Carolina isn’t where kids from the North are attending…even if they head South.

[Anonymous]

Students aiming for uga/uf etc have no chance at ivys. Duke, Vandy, Rice, Emory have been taking students away from ivys for years, but usually only through scholarship programs. That's changing as students might seriously weigh a regular acceptance from Emory vs one from Cornell or Dartmouth, depending on the finances, major etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean, they can do what they want, but I won't send my girls to the red states. And no, it's not because I think they have loose morals or whatever - I am genuinely worried about emergencies with their reproductive organs that docs in those states won't touch for fear of lawsuit. My soon to be freshman has already been told she might need a hysterectomy if other things don't work to fix her numerous issues.

So, for those heading off to these states, I hope for the best and that worst case scenario DOESN'T hit you.

Whatever. As if you would let your child get a hysterectomy anywhere else but home. Your point is ridiculous. It is as unlikely to be a factor in Houston TX as it is in the middle of nowhere New Hampshire.

Look, do people not understand emergencies? If my daughter is stuck in effing TX with a diseased uterus and/or ovaries, my concern is they will not actually operate and she will DIE. It isn't that simple to get her back home to Northern VA if her life is on the line.

If we can schedule it, great - yes, I would bring her home. But are people really this dense?

Never mind, don't answer that.

This is not a real concern that you prepare for. The chances of that happening are quite slim if almost non-existent. And then the chances of getting improper medical care are also non-existent --- the only issue would be if she was pregnant and even if she was there is below a tiny percentage that she would not get normal medical care. And the chances of moving her back to VA are overwhelming. You cannot prepare for the worst case scenario when there is almost no chance it will occur.

Considering OB/GYNs are moving out of and/or just not going to these states, it IS a real concern. I don't trust my child's medical care to states that think that the Handmaid's Tale is a great vision for the future. Abortion is only part of the story. Just wait.

You can think I am a nut all you want. I hope none of your children get caught in the middle of this mess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure Harvard and Yale aren’t crying in their beers over the loss of a few kids vapid enough to be swayed by a few tailgate videos.

But considering OP is likely a repeat-offender troll, those “cousins” are probably just as fake as the supposed flight from elite New England schools. Not sure what they’re getting out of these endless tiresome attempts to whip up a narrative.

+1

Any kid who is just enamored with the environment of southern football, and "elite greek life" most likely wasn't a serious candidate for Elite NE private schools.

[Anonymous]

One of my three went South. Great school/program for her area of study.

She did want the sun and good times in addition to studies. But she didn’t want Southern summers. Student schedule allows for that (for the most part). After graduating, she left.

Weather was important to her, but only as a supporting factor, not the primary one. As long as the academics are excellent for your studies, go where you want.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I thought all of the politics of the south made it toxic, yet all of my cousins in the DMV had absolutely zero desire to shoot for ivies or any of the other elite schools in the NE. They became enamored with the lifestyle on the campuses of southern schools by watching social media vids of girls getting ready to go to to tailgates at Alabama or UGA. Other types of of events and parties on the campuses of southern schools also had tons of social media coverage. The students themselves post the videos, so all of the southern schools get tons of free marketing. I heard this was also a big trend with all of the friends of my cousins - they’re applying to southern schools. Is the whole NE school a thing of the past?

The majority of kid/families who are really "in" to the southern schools such as UGA, Clemson, Auburn UTenn, etc also apply to Uva and occasionally some T20 privates. They do not get in to UVA in state or the T20s so of course they spin it as they wanted the big southern schools. The other group who are die-hard big southern school fans starting somewhere in 11th are spin-savvy and realistic. They know they have no shot, thus aim for big southern. 25% of the side by side prep schools in the DMV area go to T25s including UVA, or Williams/Amherst/Swat. The big southern schools are for the next 30-40% of the class so sure they are "in fashion" because a lot of popular average or above avg prep school kids go there. The smart kids use those same schools as safeties and the very smartest have UVA as the instate safety. There is always some new parent saying Oh I heard no one gets into UVa and even UGA is hard: yet the numbers published by the high school reveal that 65% of the prep school applies to UVA and over a third of them get in. The top ones just go elsewhere so it seems more rare to those who do not know. Adding to it is the average UNweighted gpa at this school is 3.9, and the average Weighted is 4.14 with 4-5APs being average, which is still underinflated compared to publics with avg 4.3 weighted. Little larlo takes 6 APs and has a 4.2 and mommy thinks he is a shoe-in for UVA, then the college counselors tell her at the big meeting at the end of 10th grade that he has almost no shot at UVA because he is an average kid, and the family emerges with a list of uva-adjacent schools like UGA and Clemson. Same situation for the 3.7uw/3.75weighted who took his first AP and parents think he must be average: he is told he is bottom quartile and how does Ole Miss or Auburn sound (or Syracuse if mom is hell bent on the NE). These are real anecdotes from the college counseling dean with all the data. Parents still clamor for UVA and T20 privates, but they pivot fast when told the truth. In fact it is a main reason the college meetings are right at the end of sophomore year: time to see the schools they need to see and not waste time on UVA or Georgetown

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These don't seem like the same groups of students. I agree that southern big schools are gaining popularity - but I don't think they are pulling from the NE Ivy or bust crowd (those are more likely to try a Vandy/Duke/UCLA/Berkeley/USC alternative.

Exactly. Not same group of students. Ivies and top SLACs are more competitive than ever.

Right completely separate pools of students

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure Harvard and Yale aren’t crying in their beers over the loss of a few kids vapid enough to be swayed by a few tailgate videos.

But considering OP is likely a repeat-offender troll, those “cousins” are probably just as fake as the supposed flight from elite New England schools. Not sure what they’re getting out of these endless tiresome attempts to whip up a narrative.

+1

Any kid who is just enamored with the environment of southern football, and "elite greek life" most likely wasn't a serious candidate for Elite NE private schools.

It’s just copium from the OP. The NE schools that are actually worth attending (Ivy/+/topLACs)are still chased and highly coveted by the brightest students.