MoCo Chief of Police now head of MCPS Security

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of people retire from Law Enforcement and then continue working.

A lot of people also retire from the military and then continue working.

A lot of people retire from education and then continue working.

This isn’t remotely a problem.

The problem is that MoCo recycles people instead of bringing in fresh blood, perspective and experience. We save seats for people and that's not how we should hire. We did not hire the "best" candidate for the job. We hired someone as an in-county favor.

They didn't do that with the Superintendent. And how do you know the MoCo Chief of Police isn't the best qualified? Seems to me that his experience working at MCPD and having deep insights in MoCo communities and neighborhoods are valuable things that he could bring to MCPS. I'm liking both of these hires so far.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of people retire from Law Enforcement and then continue working.

A lot of people also retire from the military and then continue working.

A lot of people retire from education and then continue working.

This isn’t remotely a problem.

The problem is that MoCo recycles people instead of bringing in fresh blood, perspective and experience. We save seats for people and that's not how we should hire. We did not hire the "best" candidate for the job. We hired someone as an in-county favor.

They didn't do that with the Superintendent. And how do you know the MoCo Chief of Police isn't the best qualified? Seems to me that his experience working at MCPD and having deep insights in MoCo communities and neighborhoods are valuable things that he could bring to MCPS. I'm liking both of these hires so far.

Deep insights.
Now what does he do with that information? Is he going to start reporting everything that comes across his MCPS desk or is he going to cover up like Ed Clarke did?
Reporting everything is going to make MCPS look bad, but now he will work for them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like a former police chief would be quite competitive for a job like this? Calling it corruption seems over the top. It's not like they hired a former chief of recycling for this job.

The job search was not competitive. It was created for him to park himself and his salary. If you knew the track record of this position, and how poorly retired law enforcement officials have performed in this role (hint: look up Ed Clarke's track record), then you wouldn't be chirping up about something you know nothing about.

Wow, you sound lovely.

If you're going to allege corruption, you need to have something beyond what you have shared here. For example, what did Jones do to get this job? Who did he pay off? Or did he abuse his position as police Chief to curry favor with MCPS? Give us something besides your attempts to bully other posters for questioning you.

You reveal who you are first and then I'll reveal how I know what I know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of people retire from Law Enforcement and then continue working.

A lot of people also retire from the military and then continue working.

A lot of people retire from education and then continue working.

This isn’t remotely a problem.

The problem is that MoCo recycles people instead of bringing in fresh blood, perspective and experience. We save seats for people and that's not how we should hire. We did not hire the "best" candidate for the job. We hired someone as an in-county favor.

They didn't do that with the Superintendent. And how do you know the MoCo Chief of Police isn't the best qualified? Seems to me that his experience working at MCPD and having deep insights in MoCo communities and neighborhoods are valuable things that he could bring to MCPS. I'm liking both of these hires so far.

Actually they did do that with the superintendent. That's how we ended up with McKnight and Felder.

I guess if Jones ends up being a flop then maybe we'll finally get an out-of-county person whose perspective is fresh and not burdened by the weight of previous county relationships and entanglements, as they were forced to do with Dr. Taylor. But it took two back-to-back flops for MCPS to look outside of MoCo's walls.

And honestly, Taylor isn't technically completely a MoCo outsider. He is a product of MCPS since he was a student and graduate, which has been a main selling point for him as a candidate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of people retire from Law Enforcement and then continue working.

A lot of people also retire from the military and then continue working.

A lot of people retire from education and then continue working.

This isn’t remotely a problem.

The problem is that MoCo recycles people instead of bringing in fresh blood, perspective and experience. We save seats for people and that's not how we should hire. We did not hire the "best" candidate for the job. We hired someone as an in-county favor.

They didn't do that with the Superintendent. And how do you know the MoCo Chief of Police isn't the best qualified? Seems to me that his experience working at MCPD and having deep insights in MoCo communities and neighborhoods are valuable things that he could bring to MCPS. I'm liking both of these hires so far.

Deep insights.
Now what does he do with that information? Is he going to start reporting everything that comes across his MCPS desk or is he going to cover up like Ed Clarke did?
Reporting everything is going to make MCPS look bad, but now he will work for them.

Correct. Being former MCPD and then transitioning to MCPS creates an inherent conflict of interest because on the MCPS side, sometimes you have to tell on people who might have failed in their jobs on the MCPD side, and it's hard to do that if some of those people are your friends.

Before people get excited about Marcus Jones, they should really interrogate how Ed Clarke did in the job, as he was also retired MCPD. Hopefully Jones is better and more active and independent, but he could be more of the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of people retire from Law Enforcement and then continue working.

A lot of people also retire from the military and then continue working.

A lot of people retire from education and then continue working.

This isn’t remotely a problem.

The problem is that MoCo recycles people instead of bringing in fresh blood, perspective and experience. We save seats for people and that's not how we should hire. We did not hire the "best" candidate for the job. We hired someone as an in-county favor.

They didn't do that with the Superintendent. And how do you know the MoCo Chief of Police isn't the best qualified? Seems to me that his experience working at MCPD and having deep insights in MoCo communities and neighborhoods are valuable things that he could bring to MCPS. I'm liking both of these hires so far.

Deep insights.
Now what does he do with that information? Is he going to start reporting everything that comes across his MCPS desk or is he going to cover up like Ed Clarke did?
Reporting everything is going to make MCPS look bad, but now he will work for them.

Correct. Being former MCPD and then transitioning to MCPS creates an inherent conflict of interest because on the MCPS side, sometimes you have to tell on people who might have failed in their jobs on the MCPD side, and it's hard to do that if some of those people are your friends.

Before people get excited about Marcus Jones, they should really interrogate how Ed Clarke did in the job, as he was also retired MCPD. Hopefully Jones is better and more active and independent, but he could be more of the same.

So you’re judging him on things you think he may/may not do in the new position, using an entirely different person as your proof. Got it.

I’m excited. I like Jones. I see this as a good move.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of people retire from Law Enforcement and then continue working.

A lot of people also retire from the military and then continue working.

A lot of people retire from education and then continue working.

This isn’t remotely a problem.

The problem is that MoCo recycles people instead of bringing in fresh blood, perspective and experience. We save seats for people and that's not how we should hire. We did not hire the "best" candidate for the job. We hired someone as an in-county favor.

They didn't do that with the Superintendent. And how do you know the MoCo Chief of Police isn't the best qualified? Seems to me that his experience working at MCPD and having deep insights in MoCo communities and neighborhoods are valuable things that he could bring to MCPS. I'm liking both of these hires so far.

Deep insights.
Now what does he do with that information? Is he going to start reporting everything that comes across his MCPS desk or is he going to cover up like Ed Clarke did?
Reporting everything is going to make MCPS look bad, but now he will work for them.

Correct. Being former MCPD and then transitioning to MCPS creates an inherent conflict of interest because on the MCPS side, sometimes you have to tell on people who might have failed in their jobs on the MCPD side, and it's hard to do that if some of those people are your friends.

Before people get excited about Marcus Jones, they should really interrogate how Ed Clarke did in the job, as he was also retired MCPD. Hopefully Jones is better and more active and independent, but he could be more of the same.

So you’re judging him on things you think he may/may not do in the new position, using an entirely different person as your proof. Got it.

I’m excited. I like Jones. I see this as a good move.

Judging him on the known conflict of interest. He now has to protect the brand. He's not going to be able to report everything that goes on, that would damage the brand.

[Anonymous]

Police officers are eligible for retirement after 25 years of service, so if you started right out of college, you'd be under age 50 when you retire. No surprise many start another career. The securty head at a private where our DS used to go was a former cop.

I think it's a great fit for the job -- he knows the county, he knows crime, and he knows the officers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of people retire from Law Enforcement and then continue working.

A lot of people also retire from the military and then continue working.

A lot of people retire from education and then continue working.

This isn’t remotely a problem.

The problem is that MoCo recycles people instead of bringing in fresh blood, perspective and experience. We save seats for people and that's not how we should hire. We did not hire the "best" candidate for the job. We hired someone as an in-county favor.

They didn't do that with the Superintendent. And how do you know the MoCo Chief of Police isn't the best qualified? Seems to me that his experience working at MCPD and having deep insights in MoCo communities and neighborhoods are valuable things that he could bring to MCPS. I'm liking both of these hires so far.

Deep insights.
Now what does he do with that information? Is he going to start reporting everything that comes across his MCPS desk or is he going to cover up like Ed Clarke did?
Reporting everything is going to make MCPS look bad, but now he will work for them.

Correct. Being former MCPD and then transitioning to MCPS creates an inherent conflict of interest because on the MCPS side, sometimes you have to tell on people who might have failed in their jobs on the MCPD side, and it's hard to do that if some of those people are your friends.

Before people get excited about Marcus Jones, they should really interrogate how Ed Clarke did in the job, as he was also retired MCPD. Hopefully Jones is better and more active and independent, but he could be more of the same.

So you’re judging him on things you think he may/may not do in the new position, using an entirely different person as your proof. Got it.

I’m excited. I like Jones. I see this as a good move.

Good for you. Why are you threatened by people being critical about the Jones pick?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Post reports that Jones said he was recruited for the job.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2024/06/25/marcus-jones-mcps-montgomery-schools-security/

Who recruited him? McKnight no
Felder no

Karla and the BOE. Maybe with the support, or encouragement, from Jawando and the County Council.

You are ridiculous. The board doesn't hire MCPS staff, except for the superintendent, and the council certainly does not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Police officers are eligible for retirement after 25 years of service, so if you started right out of college, you'd be under age 50 when you retire. No surprise many start another career. The securty head at a private where our DS used to go was a former cop.

I think it's a great fit for the job -- he knows the county, he knows crime, and he knows the officers.

It is a conflict of interest to have someone who is former MCPD to serve in a role in MCPS where he might have to be adversarial or critical of MCPD, or vice versa where MCPD needs to be critical of MCPS, but won't because their former boss will get the blowback if they do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Post reports that Jones said he was recruited for the job.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2024/06/25/marcus-jones-mcps-montgomery-schools-security/

Who recruited him? McKnight no
Felder no

Karla and the BOE. Maybe with the support, or encouragement, from Jawando and the County Council.

You are ridiculous. The board doesn't hire MCPS staff, except for the superintendent, and the council certainly does not.

If I have to explain to you how the board can exert its will indirectly then you're not worth having the conversation with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Police officers are eligible for retirement after 25 years of service, so if you started right out of college, you'd be under age 50 when you retire. No surprise many start another career. The securty head at a private where our DS used to go was a former cop.

I think it's a great fit for the job -- he knows the county, he knows crime, and he knows the officers.

It is a conflict of interest to have someone who is former MCPD to serve in a role in MCPS where he might have to be adversarial or critical of MCPD, or vice versa where MCPD needs to be critical of MCPS, but won't because their former boss will get the blowback if they do.

Who knows security best? The former Chief of Police!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Post reports that Jones said he was recruited for the job.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2024/06/25/marcus-jones-mcps-montgomery-schools-security/

Who recruited him? McKnight no
Felder no

Karla and the BOE. Maybe with the support, or encouragement, from Jawando and the County Council.

You are ridiculous. The board doesn't hire MCPS staff, except for the superintendent, and the council certainly does not.

If I have to explain to you how the board can exert its will indirectly then you're not worth having the conversation with.

DP here, but not worthy, not worthy!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of people retire from Law Enforcement and then continue working.

A lot of people also retire from the military and then continue working.

A lot of people retire from education and then continue working.

This isn’t remotely a problem.

The problem is that MoCo recycles people instead of bringing in fresh blood, perspective and experience. We save seats for people and that's not how we should hire. We did not hire the "best" candidate for the job. We hired someone as an in-county favor.

They didn't do that with the Superintendent. And how do you know the MoCo Chief of Police isn't the best qualified? Seems to me that his experience working at MCPD and having deep insights in MoCo communities and neighborhoods are valuable things that he could bring to MCPS. I'm liking both of these hires so far.

Deep insights.
Now what does he do with that information? Is he going to start reporting everything that comes across his MCPS desk or is he going to cover up like Ed Clarke did?
Reporting everything is going to make MCPS look bad, but now he will work for them.

Correct. Being former MCPD and then transitioning to MCPS creates an inherent conflict of interest because on the MCPS side, sometimes you have to tell on people who might have failed in their jobs on the MCPD side, and it's hard to do that if some of those people are your friends.

Before people get excited about Marcus Jones, they should really interrogate how Ed Clarke did in the job, as he was also retired MCPD. Hopefully Jones is better and more active and independent, but he could be more of the same.

So you’re judging him on things you think he may/may not do in the new position, using an entirely different person as your proof. Got it.

I’m excited. I like Jones. I see this as a good move.

Good for you. Why are you threatened by people being critical about the Jones pick?

I’m certainly not threatened. He got the job, and I’m happy for him.

You’re welcome to be as critical as you like. Most of us will wait until he has actually done something to criticize, but you’re welcome to make assumptions instead.