MoCo Chief of Police now head of MCPS Security

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Anonymous wrote:Police officers are eligible for retirement after 25 years of service, so if you started right out of college, you'd be under age 50 when you retire. No surprise many start another career. The securty head at a private where our DS used to go was a former cop.

I think it's a great fit for the job -- he knows the county, he knows crime, and he knows the officers.

It is a conflict of interest to have someone who is former MCPD to serve in a role in MCPS where he might have to be adversarial or critical of MCPD, or vice versa where MCPD needs to be critical of MCPS, but won't because their former boss will get the blowback if they do.

It would be a conflict of interest to hold both positions at the same time, not to hold them consecutively.

If you think Yamada, as the new MCPD police chief, won’t be hesitant to throw his former boss, Marcus Jones, under the bus as head of security at MCPS, then I think you have a weak understanding of how human relationships work.

So much speculation.

Perhaps that’s how you relate with others. That’s certainly not how I do.

There is at least one poster here (possibly two) who have nothing to contribute other than some ingrained hatred toward anybody associated with MCPD.

But clearly there are those of us who see this as good news for MCPS, and I’m glad somebody with experience and knowledge of the county will be at the helm of school security.

Not really. The reality is you are unwilling or incapable of thinking critically about the choice MCPS is made. You lack an understanding of the power dynamics and how the two agencies have covered or collaborated in the past.

For some reason, you feel a need to defend the choice MCPS aggressively. I don’t know why.

But those of us who have inside knowledge, firsthand experience and a real understanding of why organizations should and do have policies that avoid the kinds of conflicts of interest that MoCo government agencies seem to run roughshod over will continue to point out the problems with this hire. Live with it.

DP. Frankly, I think you use "conflict of interest" and "corruption" far too liberally to the point that they lose all meaning.

What’s your definition of those terms and why is your interpretation the most credible and authoritative one and why does your interpretation of those terms not apply to this choice by MCPS?

Omg. Just look them up. I don't know why it's so important to you that I agree with you. Lol

I don't need to agree with you. But you accused me of using the terms "far too liberally" so defend your claim.

I'm not your research assistant. Google is your friend.

Then shut the hell up and stop challenging people about terms if you won’t defend your empty, baseless claims.

Stop claiming corruption if you don't know what it is. You find the definition and defend your allegations. You can't, because your allegations are crap. Stop wasting people's time and do something productive with your life, ffs.

MCPS is corrupt and how they went about filled the chief safety officer position was corrupt. Period.

If you don’t like that that’s how I feel about it, go cry in a corner. Take you own and advice and do something productive with your own life.

Is Chris Cram or April Key paying you to argue about this here?

Omg you are a psychopath. Goodnight!

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Anonymous wrote:Police officers are eligible for retirement after 25 years of service, so if you started right out of college, you'd be under age 50 when you retire. No surprise many start another career. The securty head at a private where our DS used to go was a former cop.

I think it's a great fit for the job -- he knows the county, he knows crime, and he knows the officers.

It is a conflict of interest to have someone who is former MCPD to serve in a role in MCPS where he might have to be adversarial or critical of MCPD, or vice versa where MCPD needs to be critical of MCPS, but won't because their former boss will get the blowback if they do.

It would be a conflict of interest to hold both positions at the same time, not to hold them consecutively.

If you think Yamada, as the new MCPD police chief, won’t be hesitant to throw his former boss, Marcus Jones, under the bus as head of security at MCPS, then I think you have a weak understanding of how human relationships work.

So much speculation.

Perhaps that’s how you relate with others. That’s certainly not how I do.

There is at least one poster here (possibly two) who have nothing to contribute other than some ingrained hatred toward anybody associated with MCPD.

But clearly there are those of us who see this as good news for MCPS, and I’m glad somebody with experience and knowledge of the county will be at the helm of school security.

Not really. The reality is you are unwilling or incapable of thinking critically about the choice MCPS is made. You lack an understanding of the power dynamics and how the two agencies have covered or collaborated in the past.

For some reason, you feel a need to defend the choice MCPS aggressively. I don’t know why.

But those of us who have inside knowledge, firsthand experience and a real understanding of why organizations should and do have policies that avoid the kinds of conflicts of interest that MoCo government agencies seem to run roughshod over will continue to point out the problems with this hire. Live with it.

DP. Frankly, I think you use "conflict of interest" and "corruption" far too liberally to the point that they lose all meaning.

What’s your definition of those terms and why is your interpretation the most credible and authoritative one and why does your interpretation of those terms not apply to this choice by MCPS?

Omg. Just look them up. I don't know why it's so important to you that I agree with you. Lol

I don't need to agree with you. But you accused me of using the terms "far too liberally" so defend your claim.

NP. Corruption is when the applicant buys a car for the daughter of the decision maker in order to get the job. It is NOT when the decision maker says “I know someone who would be great for this job. Let’s see if they are interested and if they are, we won’t have to do a full search.”

If MCPS already knew who they wanted for the job, why did MCPS list a job posting soliciting candidates to apply when they never intended to entertain those applications? That is deceptive.

This happens all the time. It sucks but it is not corruption dumbass.

Hi April Key, you’re definitely corrupt.

But you don't even know what corruption is so nobody cares what you think

What makes you so sure anyone cares about you think? You’re a child.

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I don't know how Marcus Jones feels about MCPD. But he was its chief and he has partnered with MCPS to spin and talk about crap that he knew were lies because again, regardless of whether they're MCPD or MCPS, MoCo is gonna protect MoCo. And since he was comfortable with the garbage spin that he spouted alongside Brian Hull here, I'm not convinced he'll suddenly become a truthteller.

LINK: https://www.facebook.com/mcpnews/videos/3674465332819978

The tangled relationship between the two is why MCPD stopped always posting on social media when a crime or serious incident was happening at a school because MCPS put pressure on MCPD that they were stirring the community up and making their life more difficult.

Haha.. MCPD has never covered up for MCPS. The reason we heard about the alleged Rockville HS gang rape is because MCPD put out a press release.. MCPS was busy covering it up.

But OK, that was years ago, let's look at the past few months:

That's just the last 2 months. MCPD is defintely NOT covering up for MCPS.

MCPD has a long history of covering up for MCPS. It is only in the last few years that police reports even identified schools as locations. They used to just print an address and you had to know the addresses of 209 school building to know that an arrest was made at a school. Arrest statements never revealed when a MCPS employee was arrested.

Looks like you are missing some reports. Where is the press release on the break in at Poolesville High School?

DP but you're talking a lot of BS without backing them up.

Call the police and ask. That’s how you find out about the two people inside Poolesville HS last week that wasn’t made public. That is the only way you will find out what has not been made public.

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Anonymous wrote:Police officers are eligible for retirement after 25 years of service, so if you started right out of college, you'd be under age 50 when you retire. No surprise many start another career. The securty head at a private where our DS used to go was a former cop.

I think it's a great fit for the job -- he knows the county, he knows crime, and he knows the officers.

It is a conflict of interest to have someone who is former MCPD to serve in a role in MCPS where he might have to be adversarial or critical of MCPD, or vice versa where MCPD needs to be critical of MCPS, but won't because their former boss will get the blowback if they do.

It would be a conflict of interest to hold both positions at the same time, not to hold them consecutively.

If you think Yamada, as the new MCPD police chief, won’t be hesitant to throw his former boss, Marcus Jones, under the bus as head of security at MCPS, then I think you have a weak understanding of how human relationships work.

Both men are extraordinarily ethical and actually care about the welfare of our community. Deeply care. I can't imagine a scenario where one has to throw the other "under the bus." They are adults, can deal with conflict, and know how to solve problems.

~someone who has worked with both for years.

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MCPS is a burning house 🔥 The hiring of Chief Jones is quick fix, bandaid to quell the school safety inferno🧯Years ago, catch phrase "hardening of our schools" was frequently mentioned. Stakeholders balked at the ideas of metal detectors, wanding of students, and cameras in the classrooms. Therefore, the next best thing is to "subtly" insert an Enforcer, with street cred, well-respected and known to the community. Change is coming from the top-down. At least on paper. MCPS Security Assistants and Team Leaders are in for a rude awakening!

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DP. I think this is AWESOME!!! Chief Jones is a former cop.. a top cop. If there's even a whiff of corruption, broken laws, monkeybusiness with forensic data, failure to uphold the law - all he has to do is pick up a phone.

This is a great trend that MCPS needs to continue to clean up the Central Office and keep our school system honest and safe!

Well done! Bravo!

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Anonymous wrote:DP. I think this is AWESOME!!! Chief Jones is a former cop.. a top cop. If there's even a whiff of corruption, broken laws, monkeybusiness with forensic data, failure to uphold the law - all he has to do is pick up a phone.

This is a great trend that MCPS needs to continue to clean up the Central Office and keep our school system honest and safe!

Well done! Bravo!

I think it's probably a good thing too.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. I think this is AWESOME!!! Chief Jones is a former cop.. a top cop. If there's even a whiff of corruption, broken laws, monkeybusiness with forensic data, failure to uphold the law - all he has to do is pick up a phone.

This is a great trend that MCPS needs to continue to clean up the Central Office and keep our school system honest and safe!

Well done! Bravo!

Why didn’t former police officer Ed Clarke do any of that when he was in charge of MCPS security?

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Could someone just have the balls to specifically say what the break in was at Poolesville High vs being so damn vague? Specifically what happened when they broke in?

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Shocking, how transparent of MCPS to hire the former McPD Chief. Does MCPS understand the meaning of the word transparent?

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Anonymous wrote:Shocking, how transparent of MCPS to hire the former McPD Chief. Does MCPS understand the meaning of the word transparent?

Why did Grace Rivera-Oven vote against him?

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Anonymous wrote:Shocking, how transparent of MCPS to hire the former McPD Chief. Does MCPS understand the meaning of the word transparent?

Why did Grace Rivera-Oven vote against him?

She didn't vote at all. She wasn't at the 6/25 meeting.

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Anonymous wrote:Shocking, how transparent of MCPS to hire the former McPD Chief. Does MCPS understand the meaning of the word transparent?

Why did Grace Rivera-Oven vote against him?

She didn't vote at all. She wasn't at the 6/25 meeting.

That is a no vote. She didn’t zoom.

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Anonymous wrote:Police officers are eligible for retirement after 25 years of service, so if you started right out of college, you'd be under age 50 when you retire. No surprise many start another career. The securty head at a private where our DS used to go was a former cop.

I think it's a great fit for the job -- he knows the county, he knows crime, and he knows the officers.

It is a conflict of interest to have someone who is former MCPD to serve in a role in MCPS where he might have to be adversarial or critical of MCPD, or vice versa where MCPD needs to be critical of MCPS, but won't because their former boss will get the blowback if they do.

It would be a conflict of interest to hold both positions at the same time, not to hold them consecutively.

If you think Yamada, as the new MCPD police chief, won’t be hesitant to throw his former boss, Marcus Jones, under the bus as head of security at MCPS, then I think you have a weak understanding of how human relationships work.

Both men are extraordinarily ethical and actually care about the welfare of our community. Deeply care. I can't imagine a scenario where one has to throw the other "under the bus." They are adults, can deal with conflict, and know how to solve problems.

~someone who has worked with both for years.

+1000

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Anonymous wrote:Could someone just have the balls to specifically say what the break in was at Poolesville High vs being so damn vague? Specifically what happened when they broke in?

it's just more #fakenews they'll say anything