Help me understand Republican women in their 30s and 40s

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Anonymous wrote:So Republican women are totally OK with being treated as nothing more than baby factories, as long as dirty brown people don't come across the border to take jobs no American wants.

Got it.

Posts like this make ME want to become a Republican.

—lifelong Dem

Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me that Republican *policy* isn't geared towards denying women (and only women) reproductive freedom. And it's not just abortion - they're going after contraception as well. And the cherry on top is that they are proposing PUNISHMENT for having an abortion.

And spare me the lecture about immigration being a national security issue - if it was truly that, the GOP I used to know would have shut that shit off years ago. But Republicans don't want to solve the issue; it's too valuable to them as a wedge issue for political advantage. It's all dog whistles, and barely disguised ones at that.

The way I see it, any woman of reproductive age who still votes Republican is just like a Log Cabin Republican - willing to trade their entire identity for absolutely nothing.

How ‘bout I tell you instead that the holier-than-thou righteousness of the left is extraordinarily unappealing, even to people who pretty much agree with you?

Yuck

Are we not all stuck with these abortion bans because of holier than thou righteousness? Talk about unappealing.

NP- I'm an independent and I don't understand how people are still affiliated considering the disgusting rhetoric and lack of respect of both parties. It's not productive, and really only helps the vilest politicians on both sides to gain traction, and the press/media/social media when people gobble up divisive crap. I'm a reluctant Biden voter, but so tired of people not focusing on what they can agree on to just hurl insults at each other. The reality is most women, including republican women, are pro choice or hold some nuanced view of abortion, opposing bans. None of them will be convinced to vote Biden through ad-hominem attacks.

I don't like ad hominem attacks either, but if the ability to make your own health care decisions is something someone values at all, then how does that person vote in favor of a person and a party that are actively working to take that away? I do not get that.

All republicans aren't working to take away bodily autonomy any more than all democrats are working to establish and abortion right until the moment of birth. Dobbs left the decision up to individual states. That's where we are.

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Anonymous wrote:So Republican women are totally OK with being treated as nothing more than baby factories, as long as dirty brown people don't come across the border to take jobs no American wants.

Got it.

Posts like this make ME want to become a Republican.

—lifelong Dem

Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me that Republican *policy* isn't geared towards denying women (and only women) reproductive freedom. And it's not just abortion - they're going after contraception as well. And the cherry on top is that they are proposing PUNISHMENT for having an abortion.

And spare me the lecture about immigration being a national security issue - if it was truly that, the GOP I used to know would have shut that shit off years ago. But Republicans don't want to solve the issue; it's too valuable to them as a wedge issue for political advantage. It's all dog whistles, and barely disguised ones at that.

The way I see it, any woman of reproductive age who still votes Republican is just like a Log Cabin Republican - willing to trade their entire identity for absolutely nothing.

How ‘bout I tell you instead that the holier-than-thou righteousness of the left is extraordinarily unappealing, even to people who pretty much agree with you?

Yuck

Are we not all stuck with these abortion bans because of holier than thou righteousness? Talk about unappealing.

NP- I'm an independent and I don't understand how people are still affiliated considering the disgusting rhetoric and lack of respect of both parties. It's not productive, and really only helps the vilest politicians on both sides to gain traction, and the press/media/social media when people gobble up divisive crap. I'm a reluctant Biden voter, but so tired of people not focusing on what they can agree on to just hurl insults at each other. The reality is most women, including republican women, are pro choice or hold some nuanced view of abortion, opposing bans. None of them will be convinced to vote Biden through ad-hominem attacks.

I don't like ad hominem attacks either, but if the ability to make your own health care decisions is something someone values at all, then how does that person vote in favor of a person and a party that are actively working to take that away? I do not get that.

To be blunt? Some of us don’t sleep around so a need for an abortion is not the driving force in our lives.

This. Other issues are more important to me. I really don’t care about abortion very much. There are limited circumstances where I myself would want one. But they are clearly immoral. If I had to pick a position it would probably align to the general consensus in western Europe.

SCOTUS did not ban abortion. They delegated it down to the states. If SCOTUS had blanket banned abortion I might care about this issue more.

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Anonymous wrote:So Republican women are totally OK with being treated as nothing more than baby factories, as long as dirty brown people don't come across the border to take jobs no American wants.

Got it.

Posts like this make ME want to become a Republican.

—lifelong Dem

Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me that Republican *policy* isn't geared towards denying women (and only women) reproductive freedom. And it's not just abortion - they're going after contraception as well. And the cherry on top is that they are proposing PUNISHMENT for having an abortion.

And spare me the lecture about immigration being a national security issue - if it was truly that, the GOP I used to know would have shut that shit off years ago. But Republicans don't want to solve the issue; it's too valuable to them as a wedge issue for political advantage. It's all dog whistles, and barely disguised ones at that.

The way I see it, any woman of reproductive age who still votes Republican is just like a Log Cabin Republican - willing to trade their entire identity for absolutely nothing.

How ‘bout I tell you instead that the holier-than-thou righteousness of the left is extraordinarily unappealing, even to people who pretty much agree with you?

Yuck

Are we not all stuck with these abortion bans because of holier than thou righteousness? Talk about unappealing.

NP- I'm an independent and I don't understand how people are still affiliated considering the disgusting rhetoric and lack of respect of both parties. It's not productive, and really only helps the vilest politicians on both sides to gain traction, and the press/media/social media when people gobble up divisive crap. I'm a reluctant Biden voter, but so tired of people not focusing on what they can agree on to just hurl insults at each other. The reality is most women, including republican women, are pro choice or hold some nuanced view of abortion, opposing bans. None of them will be convinced to vote Biden through ad-hominem attacks.

I don't like ad hominem attacks either, but if the ability to make your own health care decisions is something someone values at all, then how does that person vote in favor of a person and a party that are actively working to take that away? I do not get that.

To be blunt? Some of us don’t sleep around so a need for an abortion is not the driving force in our lives.

And there it is...

This is not about babies, it's about controlling and punishing women's sexuality.

And a certain percentage of women are okay with it because it makes them feel superior.

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Anonymous wrote:So Republican women are totally OK with being treated as nothing more than baby factories, as long as dirty brown people don't come across the border to take jobs no American wants.

Got it.

Posts like this make ME want to become a Republican.

—lifelong Dem

Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me that Republican *policy* isn't geared towards denying women (and only women) reproductive freedom. And it's not just abortion - they're going after contraception as well. And the cherry on top is that they are proposing PUNISHMENT for having an abortion.

And spare me the lecture about immigration being a national security issue - if it was truly that, the GOP I used to know would have shut that shit off years ago. But Republicans don't want to solve the issue; it's too valuable to them as a wedge issue for political advantage. It's all dog whistles, and barely disguised ones at that.

The way I see it, any woman of reproductive age who still votes Republican is just like a Log Cabin Republican - willing to trade their entire identity for absolutely nothing.

How ‘bout I tell you instead that the holier-than-thou righteousness of the left is extraordinarily unappealing, even to people who pretty much agree with you?

Yuck

Are we not all stuck with these abortion bans because of holier than thou righteousness? Talk about unappealing.

NP- I'm an independent and I don't understand how people are still affiliated considering the disgusting rhetoric and lack of respect of both parties. It's not productive, and really only helps the vilest politicians on both sides to gain traction, and the press/media/social media when people gobble up divisive crap. I'm a reluctant Biden voter, but so tired of people not focusing on what they can agree on to just hurl insults at each other. The reality is most women, including republican women, are pro choice or hold some nuanced view of abortion, opposing bans. None of them will be convinced to vote Biden through ad-hominem attacks.

I don't like ad hominem attacks either, but if the ability to make your own health care decisions is something someone values at all, then how does that person vote in favor of a person and a party that are actively working to take that away? I do not get that.

To be blunt? Some of us don’t sleep around so a need for an abortion is not the driving force in our lives.

NP. I’m the agnostic black feminist from a few comments ago. Surely, you’re smart enough to understand that abortion isn’t just for women who sleep around. Last year, at age 43, I became pregnant with a genetically nonviable baby that put me into heart failure. An abortion saved my life and I feel zero guilt or conflict about ending that pregnancy so I could live. I have always been pro-choice and never more so than now. One can face the reality that Dems have gotten so much wrong without trivializing the very real life and death issue abortion can be for any woman at any time. As smug as you are, you’re still just one rape and failed birth control method away from needing an abortion.

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty simple, I probably disagree with you on every major policy issue from immigration to crime to the Supreme Court. It’s not that complicated.

Exactly. We disagree with you OP. Shocking to you, I know.

Disagreeing with us is one thing. Disagreeing with your own self interests and bodily autonomy is what confounds us.

You’re the one suggesting it as a conflict with self interest and bodily autonomy and that’s the mistake you are making. It’s really not that difficult to understand the other side of anortion even if you disagree. There’s probably a million articles online that explain conservative views of abortion that can help you …BUT

Be aware that even republicans disagree on where to draw the line, whether at conception or closer to the first trimester etc, and there are even fully pro choice/no restriction Republicans who simply align with the party on other issues besides abortion which leads them to vote the way they do.

DP, and ok. But why do you want laws that restrict what other people do?

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Anonymous wrote:So Republican women are totally OK with being treated as nothing more than baby factories, as long as dirty brown people don't come across the border to take jobs no American wants.

Got it.

Posts like this make ME want to become a Republican.

—lifelong Dem

Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me that Republican *policy* isn't geared towards denying women (and only women) reproductive freedom. And it's not just abortion - they're going after contraception as well. And the cherry on top is that they are proposing PUNISHMENT for having an abortion.

And spare me the lecture about immigration being a national security issue - if it was truly that, the GOP I used to know would have shut that shit off years ago. But Republicans don't want to solve the issue; it's too valuable to them as a wedge issue for political advantage. It's all dog whistles, and barely disguised ones at that.

The way I see it, any woman of reproductive age who still votes Republican is just like a Log Cabin Republican - willing to trade their entire identity for absolutely nothing.

How ‘bout I tell you instead that the holier-than-thou righteousness of the left is extraordinarily unappealing, even to people who pretty much agree with you?

Yuck

Are we not all stuck with these abortion bans because of holier than thou righteousness? Talk about unappealing.

NP- I'm an independent and I don't understand how people are still affiliated considering the disgusting rhetoric and lack of respect of both parties. It's not productive, and really only helps the vilest politicians on both sides to gain traction, and the press/media/social media when people gobble up divisive crap. I'm a reluctant Biden voter, but so tired of people not focusing on what they can agree on to just hurl insults at each other. The reality is most women, including republican women, are pro choice or hold some nuanced view of abortion, opposing bans. None of them will be convinced to vote Biden through ad-hominem attacks.

I don't like ad hominem attacks either, but if the ability to make your own health care decisions is something someone values at all, then how does that person vote in favor of a person and a party that are actively working to take that away? I do not get that.

All republicans aren't working to take away bodily autonomy any more than all democrats are working to establish and abortion right until the moment of birth. Dobbs left the decision up to individual states. That's where we are.

It's literally a plank in the Republican party platform (or would be if they had one I guess). I don't know how that's not working towards it. And the Dobbs experiment is simply demonstrating how punitive and life-threatening these policies are.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty simple, I probably disagree with you on every major policy issue from immigration to crime to the Supreme Court. It’s not that complicated.

Exactly. We disagree with you OP. Shocking to you, I know.

Disagreeing with us is one thing. Disagreeing with your own self interests and bodily autonomy is what confounds us.

You’re the one suggesting it as a conflict with self interest and bodily autonomy and that’s the mistake you are making. It’s really not that difficult to understand the other side of anortion even if you disagree. There’s probably a million articles online that explain conservative views of abortion that can help you …BUT

Be aware that even republicans disagree on where to draw the line, whether at conception or closer to the first trimester etc, and there are even fully pro choice/no restriction Republicans who simply align with the party on other issues besides abortion which leads them to vote the way they do.

DP, and ok. But why do you want laws that restrict what other people do?

DP
You are not recognizing that there is another party in the mix that doesn't have a say...... the baby that is growing in the womb.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty simple, I probably disagree with you on every major policy issue from immigration to crime to the Supreme Court. It’s not that complicated.

Exactly. We disagree with you OP. Shocking to you, I know.

Disagreeing with us is one thing. Disagreeing with your own self interests and bodily autonomy is what confounds us.

You’re the one suggesting it as a conflict with self interest and bodily autonomy and that’s the mistake you are making. It’s really not that difficult to understand the other side of anortion even if you disagree. There’s probably a million articles online that explain conservative views of abortion that can help you …BUT

Be aware that even republicans disagree on where to draw the line, whether at conception or closer to the first trimester etc, and there are even fully pro choice/no restriction Republicans who simply align with the party on other issues besides abortion which leads them to vote the way they do.

DP, and ok. But why do you want laws that restrict what other people do?

DP
You are not recognizing that there is another party in the mix that doesn't have a say...... the baby that is growing in the womb.

NP. What PP is saying is that YOU don’t get a say. You’re not the woman or the baby. Not a single right of yours is on the line and if the woman’s choice bothers you, then you can get therapy or stay mad. HTH.

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Anonymous wrote:So Republican women are totally OK with being treated as nothing more than baby factories, as long as dirty brown people don't come across the border to take jobs no American wants.

Got it.

Posts like this make ME want to become a Republican.

—lifelong Dem

Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me that Republican *policy* isn't geared towards denying women (and only women) reproductive freedom. And it's not just abortion - they're going after contraception as well. And the cherry on top is that they are proposing PUNISHMENT for having an abortion.

And spare me the lecture about immigration being a national security issue - if it was truly that, the GOP I used to know would have shut that shit off years ago. But Republicans don't want to solve the issue; it's too valuable to them as a wedge issue for political advantage. It's all dog whistles, and barely disguised ones at that.

The way I see it, any woman of reproductive age who still votes Republican is just like a Log Cabin Republican - willing to trade their entire identity for absolutely nothing.

How ‘bout I tell you instead that the holier-than-thou righteousness of the left is extraordinarily unappealing, even to people who pretty much agree with you?

Yuck

Are we not all stuck with these abortion bans because of holier than thou righteousness? Talk about unappealing.

NP- I'm an independent and I don't understand how people are still affiliated considering the disgusting rhetoric and lack of respect of both parties. It's not productive, and really only helps the vilest politicians on both sides to gain traction, and the press/media/social media when people gobble up divisive crap. I'm a reluctant Biden voter, but so tired of people not focusing on what they can agree on to just hurl insults at each other. The reality is most women, including republican women, are pro choice or hold some nuanced view of abortion, opposing bans. None of them will be convinced to vote Biden through ad-hominem attacks.

I don't like ad hominem attacks either, but if the ability to make your own health care decisions is something someone values at all, then how does that person vote in favor of a person and a party that are actively working to take that away? I do not get that.

To be blunt? Some of us don’t sleep around so a need for an abortion is not the driving force in our lives.

Do you have unprotected sex with your husband? Because an ectopic pregnancy necessitates an abortion. A miscarriage that takes days for fetal activity to stop and that won't spontaneously expel necessitates an abortion. If you have a couple of kids at home and develop a life-threatening pregnancy complication. I don't think you should be forced to have an abortion, but I think you should be able to decide if you want to leave your other kids without a mother.

But I guess for some folks none of it will be real until it happens to you, or your daughter, or sister. Best of luck.

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Anonymous wrote:So Republican women are totally OK with being treated as nothing more than baby factories, as long as dirty brown people don't come across the border to take jobs no American wants.

Got it.

Posts like this make ME want to become a Republican.

—lifelong Dem

Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me that Republican *policy* isn't geared towards denying women (and only women) reproductive freedom. And it's not just abortion - they're going after contraception as well. And the cherry on top is that they are proposing PUNISHMENT for having an abortion.

And spare me the lecture about immigration being a national security issue - if it was truly that, the GOP I used to know would have shut that shit off years ago. But Republicans don't want to solve the issue; it's too valuable to them as a wedge issue for political advantage. It's all dog whistles, and barely disguised ones at that.

The way I see it, any woman of reproductive age who still votes Republican is just like a Log Cabin Republican - willing to trade their entire identity for absolutely nothing.

How ‘bout I tell you instead that the holier-than-thou righteousness of the left is extraordinarily unappealing, even to people who pretty much agree with you?

Yuck

Are we not all stuck with these abortion bans because of holier than thou righteousness? Talk about unappealing.

NP- I'm an independent and I don't understand how people are still affiliated considering the disgusting rhetoric and lack of respect of both parties. It's not productive, and really only helps the vilest politicians on both sides to gain traction, and the press/media/social media when people gobble up divisive crap. I'm a reluctant Biden voter, but so tired of people not focusing on what they can agree on to just hurl insults at each other. The reality is most women, including republican women, are pro choice or hold some nuanced view of abortion, opposing bans. None of them will be convinced to vote Biden through ad-hominem attacks.

I don't like ad hominem attacks either, but if the ability to make your own health care decisions is something someone values at all, then how does that person vote in favor of a person and a party that are actively working to take that away? I do not get that.

To be blunt? Some of us don’t sleep around so a need for an abortion is not the driving force in our lives.

NP. I’m the agnostic black feminist from a few comments ago. Surely, you’re smart enough to understand that abortion isn’t just for women who sleep around. Last year, at age 43, I became pregnant with a genetically nonviable baby that put me into heart failure. An abortion saved my life and I feel zero guilt or conflict about ending that pregnancy so I could live. I have always been pro-choice and never more so than now. One can face the reality that Dems have gotten so much wrong without trivializing the very real life and death issue abortion can be for any woman at any time. As smug as you are, you’re still just one rape and failed birth control method away from needing an abortion.

Well said.

I am sorry about your health issue and hope you have recovered.

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Anonymous wrote:So Republican women are totally OK with being treated as nothing more than baby factories, as long as dirty brown people don't come across the border to take jobs no American wants.

Got it.

Posts like this make ME want to become a Republican.

—lifelong Dem

Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me that Republican *policy* isn't geared towards denying women (and only women) reproductive freedom. And it's not just abortion - they're going after contraception as well. And the cherry on top is that they are proposing PUNISHMENT for having an abortion.

And spare me the lecture about immigration being a national security issue - if it was truly that, the GOP I used to know would have shut that shit off years ago. But Republicans don't want to solve the issue; it's too valuable to them as a wedge issue for political advantage. It's all dog whistles, and barely disguised ones at that.

The way I see it, any woman of reproductive age who still votes Republican is just like a Log Cabin Republican - willing to trade their entire identity for absolutely nothing.

How ‘bout I tell you instead that the holier-than-thou righteousness of the left is extraordinarily unappealing, even to people who pretty much agree with you?

Yuck

Are we not all stuck with these abortion bans because of holier than thou righteousness? Talk about unappealing.

NP- I'm an independent and I don't understand how people are still affiliated considering the disgusting rhetoric and lack of respect of both parties. It's not productive, and really only helps the vilest politicians on both sides to gain traction, and the press/media/social media when people gobble up divisive crap. I'm a reluctant Biden voter, but so tired of people not focusing on what they can agree on to just hurl insults at each other. The reality is most women, including republican women, are pro choice or hold some nuanced view of abortion, opposing bans. None of them will be convinced to vote Biden through ad-hominem attacks.

I don't like ad hominem attacks either, but if the ability to make your own health care decisions is something someone values at all, then how does that person vote in favor of a person and a party that are actively working to take that away? I do not get that.

To be blunt? Some of us don’t sleep around so a need for an abortion is not the driving force in our lives.

And there it is...

This is not about babies, it's about controlling and punishing women's sexuality.

And a certain percentage of women are okay with it because it makes them feel superior. [/quote

Well you can’t deny that 95%+ of all abortions are, shall we say, “elective.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty simple, I probably disagree with you on every major policy issue from immigration to crime to the Supreme Court. It’s not that complicated.

Exactly. We disagree with you OP. Shocking to you, I know.

Disagreeing with us is one thing. Disagreeing with your own self interests and bodily autonomy is what confounds us.

You’re the one suggesting it as a conflict with self interest and bodily autonomy and that’s the mistake you are making. It’s really not that difficult to understand the other side of anortion even if you disagree. There’s probably a million articles online that explain conservative views of abortion that can help you …BUT

Be aware that even republicans disagree on where to draw the line, whether at conception or closer to the first trimester etc, and there are even fully pro choice/no restriction Republicans who simply align with the party on other issues besides abortion which leads them to vote the way they do.

DP, and ok. But why do you want laws that restrict what other people do?

DP
You are not recognizing that there is another party in the mix that doesn't have a say...... the baby that is growing in the womb.

+1. The concept of the value of human life is lost in some people

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Anonymous wrote:So Republican women are totally OK with being treated as nothing more than baby factories, as long as dirty brown people don't come across the border to take jobs no American wants.

Got it.

Posts like this make ME want to become a Republican.

—lifelong Dem

Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me that Republican *policy* isn't geared towards denying women (and only women) reproductive freedom. And it's not just abortion - they're going after contraception as well. And the cherry on top is that they are proposing PUNISHMENT for having an abortion.

And spare me the lecture about immigration being a national security issue - if it was truly that, the GOP I used to know would have shut that shit off years ago. But Republicans don't want to solve the issue; it's too valuable to them as a wedge issue for political advantage. It's all dog whistles, and barely disguised ones at that.

The way I see it, any woman of reproductive age who still votes Republican is just like a Log Cabin Republican - willing to trade their entire identity for absolutely nothing.

How ‘bout I tell you instead that the holier-than-thou righteousness of the left is extraordinarily unappealing, even to people who pretty much agree with you?

Yuck

Are we not all stuck with these abortion bans because of holier than thou righteousness? Talk about unappealing.

NP- I'm an independent and I don't understand how people are still affiliated considering the disgusting rhetoric and lack of respect of both parties. It's not productive, and really only helps the vilest politicians on both sides to gain traction, and the press/media/social media when people gobble up divisive crap. I'm a reluctant Biden voter, but so tired of people not focusing on what they can agree on to just hurl insults at each other. The reality is most women, including republican women, are pro choice or hold some nuanced view of abortion, opposing bans. None of them will be convinced to vote Biden through ad-hominem attacks.

I don't like ad hominem attacks either, but if the ability to make your own health care decisions is something someone values at all, then how does that person vote in favor of a person and a party that are actively working to take that away? I do not get that.

All republicans aren't working to take away bodily autonomy any more than all democrats are working to establish and abortion right until the moment of birth. Dobbs left the decision up to individual states. That's where we are.

It's literally a plank in the Republican party platform (or would be if they had one I guess). I don't know how that's not working towards it. And the Dobbs experiment is simply demonstrating how punitive and life-threatening these policies are.

And? Just as much as the right to abort is literally a plank in the Dem platform.

Dobbs put zero abortion restrictions into effect. It just let the states handle it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty simple, I probably disagree with you on every major policy issue from immigration to crime to the Supreme Court. It’s not that complicated.

Exactly. We disagree with you OP. Shocking to you, I know.

Disagreeing with us is one thing. Disagreeing with your own self interests and bodily autonomy is what confounds us.

You’re the one suggesting it as a conflict with self interest and bodily autonomy and that’s the mistake you are making. It’s really not that difficult to understand the other side of anortion even if you disagree. There’s probably a million articles online that explain conservative views of abortion that can help you …BUT

Be aware that even republicans disagree on where to draw the line, whether at conception or closer to the first trimester etc, and there are even fully pro choice/no restriction Republicans who simply align with the party on other issues besides abortion which leads them to vote the way they do.

DP, and ok. But why do you want laws that restrict what other people do?

DP
You are not recognizing that there is another party in the mix that doesn't have a say...... the baby that is growing in the womb.

NP. What PP is saying is that YOU don’t get a say. You’re not the woman or the baby. Not a single right of yours is on the line and if the woman’s choice bothers you, then you can get therapy or stay mad. HTH.

I am not mad.
But, there are some of us that believe someone needs to be the voice for the voiceless..... the baby.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty simple, I probably disagree with you on every major policy issue from immigration to crime to the Supreme Court. It’s not that complicated.

Exactly. We disagree with you OP. Shocking to you, I know.

Disagreeing with us is one thing. Disagreeing with your own self interests and bodily autonomy is what confounds us.

You’re the one suggesting it as a conflict with self interest and bodily autonomy and that’s the mistake you are making. It’s really not that difficult to understand the other side of anortion even if you disagree. There’s probably a million articles online that explain conservative views of abortion that can help you …BUT

Be aware that even republicans disagree on where to draw the line, whether at conception or closer to the first trimester etc, and there are even fully pro choice/no restriction Republicans who simply align with the party on other issues besides abortion which leads them to vote the way they do.

DP, and ok. But why do you want laws that restrict what other people do?

DP
You are not recognizing that there is another party in the mix that doesn't have a say...... the baby that is growing in the womb.

NP. What PP is saying is that YOU don’t get a say. You’re not the woman or the baby. Not a single right of yours is on the line and if the woman’s choice bothers you, then you can get therapy or stay mad. HTH.

I am not mad.
But, there are some of us that believe someone needs to be the voice for the voiceless..... the baby.

You can “voice” anything you like but you have no right to force a woman to continue with a dangerous pregnancy.