Wow Stuyvesant in NYC has impressive college results

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Anonymous wrote:Stuy sends about 50 to Cornell a year, and that's their top Ivy every year. So there's no chance it's 40% a year.

They send more to NYU, which is always surprising to me. like 75 kids. NYU isn't great with FA for most kids, but maybe they are generous with lower income.

I went to NYU twenty years ago. It was surprising how many local Tristate kids attended the school. Huge numbers. The few frats/sororities at NYU were dominated by kids from Long Island and northern NJ,

And no, they were not commuting. Local kids lived in the dorms even if their family home was in Queens, Jersey City, Yonkers, Westchester, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Fact of the matter is that the Ivies have started to move on from schools like Stuy and TJ in favor of very wealthy international students.

So yeah, 30 years ago Stuy would send 25-30 to Harvard alone. But today? Harvard doesn't want that many kids from Stuy. Sure, Stuy grads will have an outsized number of placements in banking, tech, etc compared to other high schools. But those wealthy foreign kids are development cases from Day 1 and their families are more than happy to start donating if it can cement a long-lasting relationship with Harvard or Yale.

Know the Stuy valedictorian from a few years ago. Extremely well-rounded, super-engaged, mega-bright kid. Comes from an affluent, but not "Ivy development case" family. Rejected Harvard.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a massive school-almost 1000 kids per grade. A few dozen ivies is not all that impressive.

This is also a 48% economically disadvantaged student population.

Kids who qualify for FA may end up at an Ivy if admitted. Kids with parents in middle class jobs - high enough for no aid, but not high enough to cover full pay costs (especially if younger siblings) - often end up in the SUNYs or next tier down providing sufficient merit.

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Anonymous wrote:There are about 900 kids in the graduating class and 120 posts on Instagram. I'm curious where the rest of the class is headed. With 900 seniors, I'd expect the top 10% headed to top colleges. These are the best students in NYC.

*Some* of the best. I live in NYC, and there are at least 15-20 amazing high-schools, both public and private. Brilliant kids also in Hunter, Bronx Science, Brooklyn Tech, LaGuardia, Nest - publics; and Horace Mann, Trinity, Dalton, Brearley, Chapin, Spence, Collegiate, Saint Ann’s, Riverdale, Fieldston, Packer etc.

Last year, Horace Mann sent 21 of its graduating class of around 300 to The University of Chicago alone! That is 1% of Chicago’s entire freshman class.
I have heard from multiple people who work in admissions that if geography wasn’t a metric looked at by colleges, NYC (and Korea for that matter) would be heavily over-represented on college campuses.

Hmm. HM has a total school enrollment of nearly 1800. Do they really have 1200 students in the HS?

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I went to Bronx Science which is ranked second to Stuy for specialized HS. A lot of kids who didn't go to HYP or other top tier colleges ended up going to state schools like Binghamton, Stony Brook or Geneseo, or CUNY honors which was a great deal back then as it was free.

I'm sure Stuy sends at least a decent number of kids to these schools as well.

It is super competitive to get into top ranked universities from the large specialized HS because there is so much competiton. They don't want to accept dozens of students from the same school.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fact of the matter is that the Ivies have started to move on from schools like Stuy and TJ in favor of very wealthy international students.

So yeah, 30 years ago Stuy would send 25-30 to Harvard alone. But today? Harvard doesn't want that many kids from Stuy. Sure, Stuy grads will have an outsized number of placements in banking, tech, etc compared to other high schools. But those wealthy foreign kids are development cases from Day 1 and their families are more than happy to start donating if it can cement a long-lasting relationship with Harvard or Yale.

Know the Stuy valedictorian from a few years ago. Extremely well-rounded, super-engaged, mega-bright kid. Comes from an affluent, but not "Ivy development case" family. Rejected Harvard.

Sure, n=1. They probably went on to one of the other dozen T20 schools where they were admitted, likely with a full ride.

But the facts bear out that compared to 30 years ago, the Stuy's and TJs are sending less kids to the Ivy League. Probably in spite of having even smarter kids these days. And that's because international students are starting to majorly crowd-out domestic students from public schools.

I'd love to see some legislation on this issue from our federal government.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fact of the matter is that the Ivies have started to move on from schools like Stuy and TJ in favor of very wealthy international students.

So yeah, 30 years ago Stuy would send 25-30 to Harvard alone. But today? Harvard doesn't want that many kids from Stuy. Sure, Stuy grads will have an outsized number of placements in banking, tech, etc compared to other high schools. But those wealthy foreign kids are development cases from Day 1 and their families are more than happy to start donating if it can cement a long-lasting relationship with Harvard or Yale.

Know the Stuy valedictorian from a few years ago. Extremely well-rounded, super-engaged, mega-bright kid. Comes from an affluent, but not "Ivy development case" family. Rejected Harvard.

Sure, n=1. They probably went on to one of the other dozen T20 schools where they were admitted, likely with a full ride.

But the facts bear out that compared to 30 years ago, the Stuy's and TJs are sending less kids to the Ivy League. Probably in spite of having even smarter kids these days. And that's because international students are starting to majorly crowd-out domestic students from public schools.

I'd love to see some legislation on this issue from our federal government.

What kind of legislation? Keep out international students from our private colleges???

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Stuy still sends plenty to Harvard every year. I could dig up the list from last year when I have a minute, but this year is looking stronger.

not sure what instagram you're looking at, probably stuygrads2024. go over to stuyseniorcaucus and see videos for more. they'll be released over the next couple of weeks. (my dd is in one of these!)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fact of the matter is that the Ivies have started to move on from schools like Stuy and TJ in favor of very wealthy international students.

So yeah, 30 years ago Stuy would send 25-30 to Harvard alone. But today? Harvard doesn't want that many kids from Stuy. Sure, Stuy grads will have an outsized number of placements in banking, tech, etc compared to other high schools. But those wealthy foreign kids are development cases from Day 1 and their families are more than happy to start donating if it can cement a long-lasting relationship with Harvard or Yale.

Know the Stuy valedictorian from a few years ago. Extremely well-rounded, super-engaged, mega-bright kid. Comes from an affluent, but not "Ivy development case" family. Rejected Harvard.

Sure, n=1. They probably went on to one of the other dozen T20 schools where they were admitted, likely with a full ride.

But the facts bear out that compared to 30 years ago, the Stuy's and TJs are sending less kids to the Ivy League. Probably in spite of having even smarter kids these days. And that's because international students are starting to majorly crowd-out domestic students from public schools.

I'd love to see some legislation on this issue from our federal government.

The only legislation I want to see is a law that grants these international students a provisional greencard.
The percentage of international students at harvard has doubled from 8% to 16% over the past 30 years. international students are not crowding out domestic students by a whole lot.

Stuy and Tj aren't sending as many kids to college because the pool of applicants used to be 100% of Tj students plus maybe 30% of students from other schools. Now its closer to 80% so some of those kids are getting spots at the top schools too. They are dealing with a wave of domestic competition.

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It seems like no one there wants to attend Virginia publics universities

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It seems like no one there wants to attend Virginia publics universities

Honestly aside from UVA, W&M and VT, none of the Virginia publics have a national draw.
UVA out of state tuition is as high as any private school without nearly as much financial aid.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stuy sends about 50 to Cornell a year, and that's their top Ivy every year. So there's no chance it's 40% a year.

They send more to NYU, which is always surprising to me. like 75 kids. NYU isn't great with FA for most kids, but maybe they are generous with lower income.

I went to NYU twenty years ago. It was surprising how many local Tristate kids attended the school. Huge numbers. The few frats/sororities at NYU were dominated by kids from Long Island and northern NJ,

And no, they were not commuting. Local kids lived in the dorms even if their family home was in Queens, Jersey City, Yonkers, Westchester, etc.

I went to a NYC private and about 5 kids from my class ended up transferring to NYU because they didn't like being away from NYC. Just happened to my DD's friend at Colgate.

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Anonymous wrote:Stuyvesant is awesome. Much harder to get into and do well in than TJ.

It is tough to get admitted to Stuy but they don’t all go to Harvard. They go to a lot of different colleges including all the CUNYs which offer free tuition to NYC public schools. Unlike TJ many Stuy students come from low income families making these students even more remarkable.

And most of them (~90% of Asian students) are Chinese Americans whereas Asian students at TJ is almost all Indian Americans.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stuyvesant is awesome. Much harder to get into and do well in than TJ.

It is tough to get admitted to Stuy but they don’t all go to Harvard. They go to a lot of different colleges including all the CUNYs which offer free tuition to NYC public schools. Unlike TJ many Stuy students come from low income families making these students even more remarkable.

And most of them (~90% of Asian students) are Chinese Americans whereas Asian students at TJ is almost all Indian Americans.

Unless things have changed (and they probably have) 90% sounds very high.
More than 10% of the asians in the 1980s were probably south asians
There was also a significant korean population.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems like no one there wants to attend Virginia publics universities

How many TJ kids are attending a CUNY or SUNY?