Wow Stuyvesant in NYC has impressive college results

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Anonymous wrote:I am wondering if Stuy’s education model is effective. These are the best students selected merit based. In theory the majority of them should be ivy bound. But the results are far from that.

"in theory the majority of them should be ivy bound?"

in what theory?

stuy is a meritocracy. the ivies are not. the end.

Oh come on. Cornell is like our state flagship, you can’t say Cornell is not meritocracy to its residents—plus there are the contract colleges. In theory the majority of Stuy should at least be accepted by Cornell.

Cornell is 70k and that's if you are a NY resident and attend a contract college. Otherwise it's 90k. it's nobody's state flagship

NYC parent here with hs students. Cornell is well-represented in NYC high school college matriculation lists. It is as if it was flagship.

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The reason why we don’t have a state flagship it’s because we already have Cornell.

the numbers going to a SUNY and CUNY vs Cornell is enormous.

Flagship means it maintains certain selectivity. There is Cal, and there are other UCs and cal state system.

We know what flagship means. A private Ivy League college doesn’t fit the description and yes - all of Cornell is private.

No, not all of Cornell is private. It has land grant schools as well.

all of cornell is private. MIT is a land grant school as well. it's okay that you know nothing .. but you know nothing. easy to google all this. state contract school does not equal public.

I dont even have an affiliation to cornell and your ignorance offends me.

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Anonymous wrote:Typical Stuy kid is a poor Asian immigrant who spent two years non-stop studying for the SHSAT as it is their ticket out. Most of these kids have minimal mainstream American people skills - they have not assimilated. And some of them aren’t really that smart - just good at that one test.

Many end up at SUNY/CUNY. Many of these would be eligible for tons of aid at Ivies but for some reason don’t apply.

Bronx Science has more Nobel laureates and is a slightly more normal version of Stuy. Kids are more normal and slightly more relaxed. Though there is a contingent of the immigrant kids who are viewed as failures for not getting into Stuy.

What’s your evidence that Stuy kids lack social skills? I’ve met plenty who are terrific talented kids. I wouldn’t put much credence in the viewpoint from an Internet rando who traffics in Asian stereotypes.

First of all, I said "most," "typical," etc. It is a huge school. I am not dumb enough to think all kids are like this. But a significant number are. There definitely are lots of great, fun, social, interesting kids there. But the presence of the other type is overwhelming.

I live in NYC. I seriously considered Stuy for my child. My child knows many kids who go there (and many who chose not to go there). I work near Stuy and see the kids every day (and as the parent of teenagers I know "normal behavior."). My child has many Asian friends who did not want to go to Stuy for the reasons I cited.

Stereotypes exist for a reason - there is a basis in truth. I agree that one must be very careful not to apply stereotypes, especially negative ones, to every member of a group when you first meet them.

Stuy parent here.
When I mentioned to the PTA president that a family member ran an etiquette program for children in a major city, the PTA president, who is Chinese, asked me with big hopeful eyes if my family member could come to Stuy and run some courses on social skills.
As a Chinese person myself, I have to agree that many FOB Chinese lack social skills and that sure doesn't help their kids who are othered every single day of their life as an immigrant.
The only Chinese etiquette that is socially enforced is deference to elders.
Maintaining 'face' is so important that it trumps introspection and self awareness.

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Anonymous wrote:Typical Stuy kid is a poor Asian immigrant who spent two years non-stop studying for the SHSAT as it is their ticket out. Most of these kids have minimal mainstream American people skills - they have not assimilated. And some of them aren’t really that smart - just good at that one test.

Many end up at SUNY/CUNY. Many of these would be eligible for tons of aid at Ivies but for some reason don’t apply.

Bronx Science has more Nobel laureates and is a slightly more normal version of Stuy. Kids are more normal and slightly more relaxed. Though there is a contingent of the immigrant kids who are viewed as failures for not getting into Stuy.

What’s your evidence that Stuy kids lack social skills? I’ve met plenty who are terrific talented kids. I wouldn’t put much credence in the viewpoint from an Internet rando who traffics in Asian stereotypes.

First of all, I said "most," "typical," etc. It is a huge school. I am not dumb enough to think all kids are like this. But a significant number are. There definitely are lots of great, fun, social, interesting kids there. But the presence of the other type is overwhelming.

I live in NYC. I seriously considered Stuy for my child. My child knows many kids who go there (and many who chose not to go there). I work near Stuy and see the kids every day (and as the parent of teenagers I know "normal behavior."). My child has many Asian friends who did not want to go to Stuy for the reasons I cited.

Stereotypes exist for a reason - there is a basis in truth. I agree that one must be very careful not to apply stereotypes, especially negative ones, to every member of a group when you first meet them.

Stuy parent here.
When I mentioned to the PTA president that a family member ran an etiquette program for children in a major city, the PTA president, who is Chinese, asked me with big hopeful eyes if my family member could come to Stuy and run some courses on social skills.
As a Chinese person myself, I have to agree that many FOB Chinese lack social skills and that sure doesn't help their kids who are othered every single day of their life as an immigrant.
The only Chinese etiquette that is socially enforced is deference to elders.
Maintaining 'face' is so important that it trumps introspection and self awareness.

Great idea on the social skills class - it would go a long way. These kids would be well served to study a little less and spend more time just being kids - watch TVs, play video games, etc. Unfortunately, there are a number who try to assimilate but are trying so hard that they fail miserably - appreciate the effort but they are misguided. By being at Stuy which has such a huge percentage of this type of kid, they think they can continue being this way - they need to leave their bubble.

I am not saying to throw away your culture and heritage - that would be horrible. But try to blend in a little more. One simple example - give your kid an American first name then honor your heritage with the middle name. Not that hard.

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Anonymous wrote:I am wondering if Stuy’s education model is effective. These are the best students selected merit based. In theory the majority of them should be ivy bound. But the results are far from that.

"in theory the majority of them should be ivy bound?"

in what theory?

stuy is a meritocracy. the ivies are not. the end.

Oh come on. Cornell is like our state flagship, you can’t say Cornell is not meritocracy to its residents—plus there are the contract colleges. In theory the majority of Stuy should at least be accepted by Cornell.

Cornell is 70k and that's if you are a NY resident and attend a contract college. Otherwise it's 90k. it's nobody's state flagship

NYC parent here with hs students. Cornell is well-represented in NYC high school college matriculation lists. It is as if it was flagship.

+1

The reason why we don’t have a state flagship it’s because we already have Cornell.

the numbers going to a SUNY and CUNY vs Cornell is enormous.

Flagship means it maintains certain selectivity. There is Cal, and there are other UCs and cal state system.

We know what flagship means. A private Ivy League college doesn’t fit the description and yes - all of Cornell is private.

No, not all of Cornell is private. It has land grant schools as well.

all of cornell is private. MIT is a land grant school as well. it's okay that you know nothing .. but you know nothing. easy to google all this. state contract school does not equal public.

I dont even have an affiliation to cornell and your ignorance offends me.

Incorrect. See attached. Several of Cornell's colleges are public. Lower tuition for in-state. Maybe they are not full-fledged public like SUNY, but they are a lot more public than the rest of Cornell or other similar schools.

https://faq.enrollment.cornell.edu/kb/article/217-is-cornell-a-public-or-private-institution/

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Anonymous wrote:I am wondering if Stuy’s education model is effective. These are the best students selected merit based. In theory the majority of them should be ivy bound. But the results are far from that.

"in theory the majority of them should be ivy bound?"

in what theory?

stuy is a meritocracy. the ivies are not. the end.

Oh come on. Cornell is like our state flagship, you can’t say Cornell is not meritocracy to its residents—plus there are the contract colleges. In theory the majority of Stuy should at least be accepted by Cornell.

Cornell is 70k and that's if you are a NY resident and attend a contract college. Otherwise it's 90k. it's nobody's state flagship

NYC parent here with hs students. Cornell is well-represented in NYC high school college matriculation lists. It is as if it was flagship.

+1

The reason why we don’t have a state flagship it’s because we already have Cornell.

the numbers going to a SUNY and CUNY vs Cornell is enormous.

Flagship means it maintains certain selectivity. There is Cal, and there are other UCs and cal state system.

We know what flagship means. A private Ivy League college doesn’t fit the description and yes - all of Cornell is private.

No, not all of Cornell is private. It has land grant schools as well.

all of cornell is private. MIT is a land grant school as well. it's okay that you know nothing .. but you know nothing. easy to google all this. state contract school does not equal public.

I dont even have an affiliation to cornell and your ignorance offends me.

Incorrect. See attached. Several of Cornell's colleges are public. Lower tuition for in-state. Maybe they are not full-fledged public like SUNY, but they are a lot more public than the rest of Cornell or other similar schools.

https://faq.enrollment.cornell.edu/kb/article/217-is-cornell-a-public-or-private-institution/

"Although it's an Ivy League university, chartered as a private institution, it includes undergraduate colleges and schools that receive some funding from New York State. "

that doesnt make them public. some of the colleges have direct state funding, but so do MIT and Caltechand BU and Tufts and U Miami. The fact that cornell gives a break to NYS students, and has their state assistance flow through their SUNY budget, makes people think it's a state school. it's not. it's state-assisted

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Anonymous wrote:I am wondering if Stuy’s education model is effective. These are the best students selected merit based. In theory the majority of them should be ivy bound. But the results are far from that.

"in theory the majority of them should be ivy bound?"

in what theory?

stuy is a meritocracy. the ivies are not. the end.

Oh come on. Cornell is like our state flagship, you can’t say Cornell is not meritocracy to its residents—plus there are the contract colleges. In theory the majority of Stuy should at least be accepted by Cornell.

Cornell is 70k and that's if you are a NY resident and attend a contract college. Otherwise it's 90k. it's nobody's state flagship

NYC parent here with hs students. Cornell is well-represented in NYC high school college matriculation lists. It is as if it was flagship.

+1

The reason why we don’t have a state flagship it’s because we already have Cornell.

the numbers going to a SUNY and CUNY vs Cornell is enormous.

Flagship means it maintains certain selectivity. There is Cal, and there are other UCs and cal state system.

We know what flagship means. A private Ivy League college doesn’t fit the description and yes - all of Cornell is private.

No, not all of Cornell is private. It has land grant schools as well.

all of cornell is private. MIT is a land grant school as well. it's okay that you know nothing .. but you know nothing. easy to google all this. state contract school does not equal public.

I dont even have an affiliation to cornell and your ignorance offends me.

Incorrect. See attached. Several of Cornell's colleges are public. Lower tuition for in-state. Maybe they are not full-fledged public like SUNY, but they are a lot more public than the rest of Cornell or other similar schools.

https://faq.enrollment.cornell.edu/kb/article/217-is-cornell-a-public-or-private-institution/

"Although it's an Ivy League university, chartered as a private institution, it includes undergraduate colleges and schools that receive some funding from New York State. "

that doesnt make them public. some of the colleges have direct state funding, but so do MIT and Caltechand BU and Tufts and U Miami. The fact that cornell gives a break to NYS students, and has their state assistance flow through their SUNY budget, makes people think it's a state school. it's not. it's state-assisted

You really want to die on this hill. It is a matter of nuance. Everything has to be black and white for so many of the idiots around here. I was very clear. It has state-funded parts where in-state kids get a discount. Harvard doesn't have this. Yale doesn't. So it is different from them. It is not full-fledged public. But it is not 100% private. I live in NY and know many kids who specifically apply to the "public" parts because it is a lot cheaper, even if they might prefer the private part. Can't do that at Penn or Duke or Dartmouth or Northeastern or Holy Cross or Bucknell.

Good Lord.

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Anonymous wrote:Typical Stuy kid is a poor Asian immigrant who spent two years non-stop studying for the SHSAT as it is their ticket out. Most of these kids have minimal mainstream American people skills - they have not assimilated. And some of them aren’t really that smart - just good at that one test.

Many end up at SUNY/CUNY. Many of these would be eligible for tons of aid at Ivies but for some reason don’t apply.

Bronx Science has more Nobel laureates and is a slightly more normal version of Stuy. Kids are more normal and slightly more relaxed. Though there is a contingent of the immigrant kids who are viewed as failures for not getting into Stuy.

What’s your evidence that Stuy kids lack social skills? I’ve met plenty who are terrific talented kids. I wouldn’t put much credence in the viewpoint from an Internet rando who traffics in Asian stereotypes.

First of all, I said "most," "typical," etc. It is a huge school. I am not dumb enough to think all kids are like this. But a significant number are. There definitely are lots of great, fun, social, interesting kids there. But the presence of the other type is overwhelming.

I live in NYC. I seriously considered Stuy for my child. My child knows many kids who go there (and many who chose not to go there). I work near Stuy and see the kids every day (and as the parent of teenagers I know "normal behavior."). My child has many Asian friends who did not want to go to Stuy for the reasons I cited.

Stereotypes exist for a reason - there is a basis in truth. I agree that one must be very careful not to apply stereotypes, especially negative ones, to every member of a group when you first meet them.

Stuy parent here.
When I mentioned to the PTA president that a family member ran an etiquette program for children in a major city, the PTA president, who is Chinese, asked me with big hopeful eyes if my family member could come to Stuy and run some courses on social skills.
As a Chinese person myself, I have to agree that many FOB Chinese lack social skills and that sure doesn't help their kids who are othered every single day of their life as an immigrant.
The only Chinese etiquette that is socially enforced is deference to elders.
Maintaining 'face' is so important that it trumps introspection and self awareness.

Great idea on the social skills class - it would go a long way. These kids would be well served to study a little less and spend more time just being kids - watch TVs, play video games, etc. Unfortunately, there are a number who try to assimilate but are trying so hard that they fail miserably - appreciate the effort but they are misguided. By being at Stuy which has such a huge percentage of this type of kid, they think they can continue being this way - they need to leave their bubble.

I am not saying to throw away your culture and heritage - that would be horrible. But try to blend in a little more. One simple example - give your kid an American first name then honor your heritage with the middle name. Not that hard.

What an idiotic post. People don’t need to name their kid an American first name -whatever that means-to fit your idea of what America is. And if your idea of being a socially adept kid is that kids should spend more time watching TV and playing video games-I can only imagine what how your kids turned out…

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Anonymous wrote:Typical Stuy kid is a poor Asian immigrant who spent two years non-stop studying for the SHSAT as it is their ticket out. Most of these kids have minimal mainstream American people skills - they have not assimilated. And some of them aren’t really that smart - just good at that one test.

Many end up at SUNY/CUNY. Many of these would be eligible for tons of aid at Ivies but for some reason don’t apply.

Bronx Science has more Nobel laureates and is a slightly more normal version of Stuy. Kids are more normal and slightly more relaxed. Though there is a contingent of the immigrant kids who are viewed as failures for not getting into Stuy.

What’s your evidence that Stuy kids lack social skills? I’ve met plenty who are terrific talented kids. I wouldn’t put much credence in the viewpoint from an Internet rando who traffics in Asian stereotypes.

First of all, I said "most," "typical," etc. It is a huge school. I am not dumb enough to think all kids are like this. But a significant number are. There definitely are lots of great, fun, social, interesting kids there. But the presence of the other type is overwhelming.

I live in NYC. I seriously considered Stuy for my child. My child knows many kids who go there (and many who chose not to go there). I work near Stuy and see the kids every day (and as the parent of teenagers I know "normal behavior."). My child has many Asian friends who did not want to go to Stuy for the reasons I cited.

Stereotypes exist for a reason - there is a basis in truth. I agree that one must be very careful not to apply stereotypes, especially negative ones, to every member of a group when you first meet them.

Stuy parent here.
When I mentioned to the PTA president that a family member ran an etiquette program for children in a major city, the PTA president, who is Chinese, asked me with big hopeful eyes if my family member could come to Stuy and run some courses on social skills.
As a Chinese person myself, I have to agree that many FOB Chinese lack social skills and that sure doesn't help their kids who are othered every single day of their life as an immigrant.
The only Chinese etiquette that is socially enforced is deference to elders.
Maintaining 'face' is so important that it trumps introspection and self awareness.

I am not saying to throw away your culture and heritage - that would be horrible. But try to blend in a little more. One simple example - give your kid an American first name then honor your heritage with the middle name. Not that hard.

This makes me chuckle. Cute.

Most Chinese kids at Stuy do have American first names, Mike, Alice, Tom, Mary.

You are out of touch.

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Anonymous wrote:2 Harvard, 4 Yale, 4 Princeton, 8 MIT, 1 Stanford, 3 Columbia, 4 UPenn, 10 Cornell, 2 Brown, 3 Duke, 6 UChicago, 2 Northwestern, 11 NYU, 1 Vanderbilt

Legacy kids always have a good shot Chances are parents went to those schools

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Anonymous wrote:Typical Stuy kid is a poor Asian immigrant who spent two years non-stop studying for the SHSAT as it is their ticket out. Most of these kids have minimal mainstream American people skills - they have not assimilated. And some of them aren’t really that smart - just good at that one test.

Many end up at SUNY/CUNY. Many of these would be eligible for tons of aid at Ivies but for some reason don’t apply.

Bronx Science has more Nobel laureates and is a slightly more normal version of Stuy. Kids are more normal and slightly more relaxed. Though there is a contingent of the immigrant kids who are viewed as failures for not getting into Stuy.

What’s your evidence that Stuy kids lack social skills? I’ve met plenty who are terrific talented kids. I wouldn’t put much credence in the viewpoint from an Internet rando who traffics in Asian stereotypes.

First of all, I said "most," "typical," etc. It is a huge school. I am not dumb enough to think all kids are like this. But a significant number are. There definitely are lots of great, fun, social, interesting kids there. But the presence of the other type is overwhelming.

I live in NYC. I seriously considered Stuy for my child. My child knows many kids who go there (and many who chose not to go there). I work near Stuy and see the kids every day (and as the parent of teenagers I know "normal behavior."). My child has many Asian friends who did not want to go to Stuy for the reasons I cited.

Stereotypes exist for a reason - there is a basis in truth. I agree that one must be very careful not to apply stereotypes, especially negative ones, to every member of a group when you first meet them.

Stuy parent here.
When I mentioned to the PTA president that a family member ran an etiquette program for children in a major city, the PTA president, who is Chinese, asked me with big hopeful eyes if my family member could come to Stuy and run some courses on social skills.
As a Chinese person myself, I have to agree that many FOB Chinese lack social skills and that sure doesn't help their kids who are othered every single day of their life as an immigrant.
The only Chinese etiquette that is socially enforced is deference to elders.
Maintaining 'face' is so important that it trumps introspection and self awareness.

I am not saying to throw away your culture and heritage - that would be horrible. But try to blend in a little more. One simple example - give your kid an American first name then honor your heritage with the middle name. Not that hard.

This makes me chuckle. Cute.

Most Chinese kids at Stuy do have American first names, Mike, Alice, Tom, Mary.

You are out of touch.

What an awful thing to say. American-born offspring of Indian immigrants. My American-born son has a beautiful Sanskrit name and he’s funny, creative, personable and…gasp…he struggles with math. We’re not robots who are incapable of assimilating or having an independent thought process.

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Anonymous wrote:Typical Stuy kid is a poor Asian immigrant who spent two years non-stop studying for the SHSAT as it is their ticket out. Most of these kids have minimal mainstream American people skills - they have not assimilated. And some of them aren’t really that smart - just good at that one test.

Many end up at SUNY/CUNY. Many of these would be eligible for tons of aid at Ivies but for some reason don’t apply.

Bronx Science has more Nobel laureates and is a slightly more normal version of Stuy. Kids are more normal and slightly more relaxed. Though there is a contingent of the immigrant kids who are viewed as failures for not getting into Stuy.

What’s your evidence that Stuy kids lack social skills? I’ve met plenty who are terrific talented kids. I wouldn’t put much credence in the viewpoint from an Internet rando who traffics in Asian stereotypes.

First of all, I said "most," "typical," etc. It is a huge school. I am not dumb enough to think all kids are like this. But a significant number are. There definitely are lots of great, fun, social, interesting kids there. But the presence of the other type is overwhelming.

I live in NYC. I seriously considered Stuy for my child. My child knows many kids who go there (and many who chose not to go there). I work near Stuy and see the kids every day (and as the parent of teenagers I know "normal behavior."). My child has many Asian friends who did not want to go to Stuy for the reasons I cited.

Stereotypes exist for a reason - there is a basis in truth. I agree that one must be very careful not to apply stereotypes, especially negative ones, to every member of a group when you first meet them.

Stuy parent here.
When I mentioned to the PTA president that a family member ran an etiquette program for children in a major city, the PTA president, who is Chinese, asked me with big hopeful eyes if my family member could come to Stuy and run some courses on social skills.
As a Chinese person myself, I have to agree that many FOB Chinese lack social skills and that sure doesn't help their kids who are othered every single day of their life as an immigrant.
The only Chinese etiquette that is socially enforced is deference to elders.
Maintaining 'face' is so important that it trumps introspection and self awareness.

I am not saying to throw away your culture and heritage - that would be horrible. But try to blend in a little more. One simple example - give your kid an American first name then honor your heritage with the middle name. Not that hard.

This makes me chuckle. Cute.

Most Chinese kids at Stuy do have American first names, Mike, Alice, Tom, Mary.

You are out of touch.

What an awful thing to say. American-born offspring of Indian immigrants. My American-born son has a beautiful Sanskrit name and he’s funny, creative, personable and…gasp…he struggles with math. We’re not robots who are incapable of assimilating or having an independent thought process.

For some reasons, Americans easily accept Indian names as part of western culture, but view Eastern Asian names as foreign. I think even back in Coolie times, Chinese immigrants started giving their kids American first names. Some even changed their last names to spellings that sounded like white names.

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Anonymous wrote:2 Harvard, 4 Yale, 4 Princeton, 8 MIT, 1 Stanford, 3 Columbia, 4 UPenn, 10 Cornell, 2 Brown, 3 Duke, 6 UChicago, 2 Northwestern, 11 NYU, 1 Vanderbilt

Legacy kids always have a good shot Chances are parents went to those schools

the video shows more than 4 yale kids in one hallway

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Anonymous wrote:Typical Stuy kid is a poor Asian immigrant who spent two years non-stop studying for the SHSAT as it is their ticket out. Most of these kids have minimal mainstream American people skills - they have not assimilated. And some of them aren’t really that smart - just good at that one test.

Many end up at SUNY/CUNY. Many of these would be eligible for tons of aid at Ivies but for some reason don’t apply.

Bronx Science has more Nobel laureates and is a slightly more normal version of Stuy. Kids are more normal and slightly more relaxed. Though there is a contingent of the immigrant kids who are viewed as failures for not getting into Stuy.

What’s your evidence that Stuy kids lack social skills? I’ve met plenty who are terrific talented kids. I wouldn’t put much credence in the viewpoint from an Internet rando who traffics in Asian stereotypes.

First of all, I said "most," "typical," etc. It is a huge school. I am not dumb enough to think all kids are like this. But a significant number are. There definitely are lots of great, fun, social, interesting kids there. But the presence of the other type is overwhelming.

I live in NYC. I seriously considered Stuy for my child. My child knows many kids who go there (and many who chose not to go there). I work near Stuy and see the kids every day (and as the parent of teenagers I know "normal behavior."). My child has many Asian friends who did not want to go to Stuy for the reasons I cited.

Stereotypes exist for a reason - there is a basis in truth. I agree that one must be very careful not to apply stereotypes, especially negative ones, to every member of a group when you first meet them.

Stuy parent here.
When I mentioned to the PTA president that a family member ran an etiquette program for children in a major city, the PTA president, who is Chinese, asked me with big hopeful eyes if my family member could come to Stuy and run some courses on social skills.
As a Chinese person myself, I have to agree that many FOB Chinese lack social skills and that sure doesn't help their kids who are othered every single day of their life as an immigrant.
The only Chinese etiquette that is socially enforced is deference to elders.
Maintaining 'face' is so important that it trumps introspection and self awareness.

Great idea on the social skills class - it would go a long way. These kids would be well served to study a little less and spend more time just being kids - watch TVs, play video games, etc. Unfortunately, there are a number who try to assimilate but are trying so hard that they fail miserably - appreciate the effort but they are misguided. By being at Stuy which has such a huge percentage of this type of kid, they think they can continue being this way - they need to leave their bubble.

I am not saying to throw away your culture and heritage - that would be horrible. But try to blend in a little more. One simple example - give your kid an American first name then honor your heritage with the middle name. Not that hard.

Ugh. You are so racist I want to barf!

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Anonymous wrote:Typical Stuy kid is a poor Asian immigrant who spent two years non-stop studying for the SHSAT as it is their ticket out. Most of these kids have minimal mainstream American people skills - they have not assimilated. And some of them aren’t really that smart - just good at that one test.

Many end up at SUNY/CUNY. Many of these would be eligible for tons of aid at Ivies but for some reason don’t apply.

Bronx Science has more Nobel laureates and is a slightly more normal version of Stuy. Kids are more normal and slightly more relaxed. Though there is a contingent of the immigrant kids who are viewed as failures for not getting into Stuy.

What’s your evidence that Stuy kids lack social skills? I’ve met plenty who are terrific talented kids. I wouldn’t put much credence in the viewpoint from an Internet rando who traffics in Asian stereotypes.

First of all, I said "most," "typical," etc. It is a huge school. I am not dumb enough to think all kids are like this. But a significant number are. There definitely are lots of great, fun, social, interesting kids there. But the presence of the other type is overwhelming.

I live in NYC. I seriously considered Stuy for my child. My child knows many kids who go there (and many who chose not to go there). I work near Stuy and see the kids every day (and as the parent of teenagers I know "normal behavior."). My child has many Asian friends who did not want to go to Stuy for the reasons I cited.

Stereotypes exist for a reason - there is a basis in truth. I agree that one must be very careful not to apply stereotypes, especially negative ones, to every member of a group when you first meet them.

Stuy parent here.
When I mentioned to the PTA president that a family member ran an etiquette program for children in a major city, the PTA president, who is Chinese, asked me with big hopeful eyes if my family member could come to Stuy and run some courses on social skills.
As a Chinese person myself, I have to agree that many FOB Chinese lack social skills and that sure doesn't help their kids who are othered every single day of their life as an immigrant.
The only Chinese etiquette that is socially enforced is deference to elders.
Maintaining 'face' is so important that it trumps introspection and self awareness.

I am not saying to throw away your culture and heritage - that would be horrible. But try to blend in a little more. One simple example - give your kid an American first name then honor your heritage with the middle name. Not that hard.

This makes me chuckle. Cute.

Most Chinese kids at Stuy do have American first names, Mike, Alice, Tom, Mary.

You are out of touch.

What an awful thing to say. American-born offspring of Indian immigrants. My American-born son has a beautiful Sanskrit name and he’s funny, creative, personable and…gasp…he struggles with math. We’re not robots who are incapable of assimilating or having an independent thought process.

For some reasons, Americans easily accept Indian names as part of western culture, but view Eastern Asian names as foreign. I think even back in Coolie times, Chinese immigrants started giving their kids American first names. Some even changed their last names to spellings that sounded like white names.

It’s because South Asians have dealt with White Colonial racists for several hundred years and were not about to kow tow to their White American counterparts.

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Anonymous wrote:Typical Stuy kid is a poor Asian immigrant who spent two years non-stop studying for the SHSAT as it is their ticket out. Most of these kids have minimal mainstream American people skills - they have not assimilated. And some of them aren’t really that smart - just good at that one test.

Many end up at SUNY/CUNY. Many of these would be eligible for tons of aid at Ivies but for some reason don’t apply.

Bronx Science has more Nobel laureates and is a slightly more normal version of Stuy. Kids are more normal and slightly more relaxed. Though there is a contingent of the immigrant kids who are viewed as failures for not getting into Stuy.

What’s your evidence that Stuy kids lack social skills? I’ve met plenty who are terrific talented kids. I wouldn’t put much credence in the viewpoint from an Internet rando who traffics in Asian stereotypes.

First of all, I said "most," "typical," etc. It is a huge school. I am not dumb enough to think all kids are like this. But a significant number are. There definitely are lots of great, fun, social, interesting kids there. But the presence of the other type is overwhelming.

I live in NYC. I seriously considered Stuy for my child. My child knows many kids who go there (and many who chose not to go there). I work near Stuy and see the kids every day (and as the parent of teenagers I know "normal behavior."). My child has many Asian friends who did not want to go to Stuy for the reasons I cited.

Stereotypes exist for a reason - there is a basis in truth. I agree that one must be very careful not to apply stereotypes, especially negative ones, to every member of a group when you first meet them.

Stuy parent here.
When I mentioned to the PTA president that a family member ran an etiquette program for children in a major city, the PTA president, who is Chinese, asked me with big hopeful eyes if my family member could come to Stuy and run some courses on social skills.
As a Chinese person myself, I have to agree that many FOB Chinese lack social skills and that sure doesn't help their kids who are othered every single day of their life as an immigrant.
The only Chinese etiquette that is socially enforced is deference to elders.
Maintaining 'face' is so important that it trumps introspection and self awareness.

Great idea on the social skills class - it would go a long way. These kids would be well served to study a little less and spend more time just being kids - watch TVs, play video games, etc. Unfortunately, there are a number who try to assimilate but are trying so hard that they fail miserably - appreciate the effort but they are misguided. By being at Stuy which has such a huge percentage of this type of kid, they think they can continue being this way - they need to leave their bubble.

I am not saying to throw away your culture and heritage - that would be horrible. But try to blend in a little more. One simple example - give your kid an American first name then honor your heritage with the middle name. Not that hard.

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