wearing a jewish star

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this would take us down the road of people wearing stars, crosses and moons.

That is, of identifying by their religion.

There have been Supreme Court cases about whether any of these should be allowed in the workplace because it might make others uncomfortable. Would you really want to work in an office where 2/3 were wearing crosses?

And rulings have consistently been that religious people are free to wear them. There is no uncertainty here.

Yeah, "there have been Supreme Court case". There have also been rulings, you idiot. You are advocating the same line of thinking that prohibits women from covering their heads (whether Muslim or Christian--this is also a historical Christian practice) or taking on other self-identifying marks of faith. Just because YOU don't think these symbols are important doesn't mean you can enforce that on everyone else.

Whoosh. Look who’s calling who an idiot.

The question is, do you really want all your Christian and Palestinian coworkers saying, hey, cool, it’s ok again to broadcast our religions (after not being completely ok for a while), so I’ll go ahead pull my confirmation cross/moon back out?

Some people feel uncomfortable surrounded by crosses at work or being treated by someone with a cross.

So yeah, those people have brought cases all the way to the Supreme Court. As you rudely said as you missed the point, yeah, SCOTUS has ruled. But the point was the discomfort that made people bring the cases. I take it you’d be fine it though.

I don’t get your point PP. I have a cross necklace that I love; I don’t wear it all the time, but what’s it to you if I do?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like this would take us down the road of people wearing stars, crosses and moons.

That is, of identifying by their religion.

There have been Supreme Court cases about whether any of these should be allowed in the workplace because it might make others uncomfortable. Would you really want to work in an office where 2/3 were wearing crosses?

And rulings have consistently been that religious people are free to wear them. There is no uncertainty here.

Yeah, "there have been Supreme Court case". There have also been rulings, you idiot. You are advocating the same line of thinking that prohibits women from covering their heads (whether Muslim or Christian--this is also a historical Christian practice) or taking on other self-identifying marks of faith. Just because YOU don't think these symbols are important doesn't mean you can enforce that on everyone else.

Whoosh. Look who’s calling who an idiot.

The question is, do you really want all your Christian and Palestinian coworkers saying, hey, cool, it’s ok again to broadcast our religions (after not being completely ok for a while), so I’ll go ahead pull my confirmation cross/moon back out?

Some people feel uncomfortable surrounded by crosses at work or being treated by someone with a cross.

So yeah, those people have brought cases all the way to the Supreme Court. As you rudely said as you missed the point, yeah, SCOTUS has ruled. But the point was the discomfort that made people bring the cases. I take it you’d be fine it though.

I don’t get your point PP. I have a cross necklace that I love; I don’t wear it all the time, but what’s it to you if I do?

It makes her "uncomfortable". Apparently she believes this should never happen. But if it does, someone else has GOT to pay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Solidarity with Jews over what exactly?

[Anonymous]

I used to love wearing my silver cross in my home country, but here in the DC area, I feel a little boxed-in by judgement people place on various religious symbols. So even though a star of David is lovely and I would want you to wear whatever you wanted... I don't know if you should. Particularly during this horrible, horrible time of mass murder in Gaza and as we uncover all this abuse and torture of Israeli hostages.

I'm sorry, OP. The world should be a better place.

[Anonymous]

I think it's great to wear a star and you absolutely should if you want to. The silver lining of such a hard time is creating community and solidarity in ways we didn't have it before. Wear a crew neck in case you feel like you want to tuck it in on public transit or something.

I wear a hamsa myself, but in part since I lost my favorite *Jewish* star necklace (wore on and off for years) and have not yet replaced it

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Solidarity with Jews over what exactly?

The last season of Curb your Enthusiasm.

This is a funny response, albeit to an intentionally obtuse question.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How many Jewish people have been attacked in the DMV for wearing a star necklace?
If you want to wear a star wear a star. I wear a cross.

Truly, we don't need more Christians telling Jews how to feel about the climate right now - and pointing to themselves as an example of how everything's fine, they feel just fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I used to love wearing my silver cross in my home country, but here in the DC area, I feel a little boxed-in by judgement people place on various religious symbols. So even though a star of David is lovely and I would want you to wear whatever you wanted... I don't know if you should. Particularly during this horrible, horrible time of mass murder in Gaza and as we uncover all this abuse and torture of Israeli hostages.

I'm sorry, OP. The world should be a better place.

I think there's something fundamentally different in the experience wearing the sign of a minority religion vs a majority one. Group membership feels like a different declaration when the group in question is a minority. Of course everyone should wear what they want... but these symbols are a way to reach out to other members of a tiny community and say, yeah, you're not alone.

And it is in direct response to "this horrible, horrible time" and the antisemitism that has flourished.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Try to be more Jewish rather than performatively wearing something Jewish.

Why do you think you know anything about how Jewish the OP is “being”?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like this would take us down the road of people wearing stars, crosses and moons.

That is, of identifying by their religion.

There have been Supreme Court cases about whether any of these should be allowed in the workplace because it might make others uncomfortable. Would you really want to work in an office where 2/3 were wearing crosses?

And rulings have consistently been that religious people are free to wear them. There is no uncertainty here.

Yeah, "there have been Supreme Court case". There have also been rulings, you idiot. You are advocating the same line of thinking that prohibits women from covering their heads (whether Muslim or Christian--this is also a historical Christian practice) or taking on other self-identifying marks of faith. Just because YOU don't think these symbols are important doesn't mean you can enforce that on everyone else.

Whoosh. Look who’s calling who an idiot.

The question is, do you really want all your Christian and Palestinian coworkers saying, hey, cool, it’s ok again to broadcast our religions (after not being completely ok for a while), so I’ll go ahead pull my confirmation cross/moon back out?

Some people feel uncomfortable surrounded by crosses at work or being treated by someone with a cross.

So yeah, those people have brought cases all the way to the Supreme Court. As you rudely said as you missed the point, yeah, SCOTUS has ruled. But the point was the discomfort that made people bring the cases. I take it you’d be fine it though.

I got your point, but I didn't respond to the stupidest part, the "uncomfortable" comment.

What you're really saying is that you're such a bigot that if your Muslim coworker was wearing a crescent necklace you would be...what? "Uncomfortable" to the point of, again, what? It's an absurd and stupid point. You are talking about "comfort" vs. someone closely held religious belief that does not hurt you.

Be "uncomfortable". It is the tiny, tiny price of living in a free, pluralist society.

DP and Jewish. It doesn't bother me when people wear a crucifix or a crescent. They are free to wear whatever they want as an expression of their faith, the same way I wear my Star of David.

I feel differently about religious symbols in the workplace, like a crucifix hanging on the wall of your office or something. That makes a semi-public space into a religious space in a way that your personal jewelry does not, and I don't particularly care to sit in your office for a meeting with a crucifix hanging over us. I have no basis to feel that way, other than my own gut feeling that there is a difference between the two situations, but that's my 2 cents.

Not sure I agree or disagree with you tbh… I think I’d be ok with a symbol of any religion on the wall as long as it’s wasn’t a hate symbol. How do you feel about Christmas decor in the office though? Or other religious decor?

PP here. Personally, I don't love Christmas decor in the office, but I recognize I'm not going to win any battles on that front, so I don't bother.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Solidarity with Jews over what exactly?

Over the antisemitism that is so invisible to you that you can't even conceive of its existence, apparently.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I used to love wearing my silver cross in my home country, but here in the DC area, I feel a little boxed-in by judgement people place on various religious symbols. So even though a star of David is lovely and I would want you to wear whatever you wanted... I don't know if you should. Particularly during this horrible, horrible time of mass murder in Gaza and as we uncover all this abuse and torture of Israeli hostages.

I'm sorry, OP. The world should be a better place.

Yes, it should be!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like this would take us down the road of people wearing stars, crosses and moons.

That is, of identifying by their religion.

There have been Supreme Court cases about whether any of these should be allowed in the workplace because it might make others uncomfortable. Would you really want to work in an office where 2/3 were wearing crosses?

And rulings have consistently been that religious people are free to wear them. There is no uncertainty here.

Yeah, "there have been Supreme Court case". There have also been rulings, you idiot. You are advocating the same line of thinking that prohibits women from covering their heads (whether Muslim or Christian--this is also a historical Christian practice) or taking on other self-identifying marks of faith. Just because YOU don't think these symbols are important doesn't mean you can enforce that on everyone else.

Whoosh. Look who’s calling who an idiot.

The question is, do you really want all your Christian and Palestinian coworkers saying, hey, cool, it’s ok again to broadcast our religions (after not being completely ok for a while), so I’ll go ahead pull my confirmation cross/moon back out?

Some people feel uncomfortable surrounded by crosses at work or being treated by someone with a cross.

So yeah, those people have brought cases all the way to the Supreme Court. As you rudely said as you missed the point, yeah, SCOTUS has ruled. But the point was the discomfort that made people bring the cases. I take it you’d be fine it though.

I got your point, but I didn't respond to the stupidest part, the "uncomfortable" comment.

What you're really saying is that you're such a bigot that if your Muslim coworker was wearing a crescent necklace you would be...what? "Uncomfortable" to the point of, again, what? It's an absurd and stupid point. You are talking about "comfort" vs. someone closely held religious belief that does not hurt you.

Be "uncomfortable". It is the tiny, tiny price of living in a free, pluralist society.

DP and Jewish. It doesn't bother me when people wear a crucifix or a crescent. They are free to wear whatever they want as an expression of their faith, the same way I wear my Star of David.

I feel differently about religious symbols in the workplace, like a crucifix hanging on the wall of your office or something. That makes a semi-public space into a religious space in a way that your personal jewelry does not, and I don't particularly care to sit in your office for a meeting with a crucifix hanging over us. I have no basis to feel that way, other than my own gut feeling that there is a difference between the two situations, but that's my 2 cents.

Not sure I agree or disagree with you tbh… I think I’d be ok with a symbol of any religion on the wall as long as it’s wasn’t a hate symbol. How do you feel about Christmas decor in the office though? Or other religious decor?

PP here. Personally, I don't love Christmas decor in the office, but I recognize I'm not going to win any battles on that front, so I don't bother.

Yeah. I do think that decorating the walls with the overt symbols of the powerful majority religion is unfriendly to those in the minority, in a way that decorating with the symbols of a minority religion just isn't. But it isn't a big deal, not to me at least. If you're the member of a minority, you would go crazy if you did anything except shrug and accept these omnipresent displays.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Roberto Coin has a lovely small Jewish star necklace.

I started wearing a hamsa necklace recently. Multiple religions/cultures use this symbol, so it's not strictly Jewish, but is very recognizable as a Jewish symbol too. And I like the additional mysticism/protection it provides.

The hamsa is not a religious symbol. It’s a North African/berber tradition that North African Jews took with them to Israel.

[Anonymous]

As someone who grew up in the Tristate area, the idea of anti-semitism existing here in the US is so unfathomable to my 90’s NE bubble self. My heart is breaking for all the PPs who feel that wearing their Star of David necklace may make them unsafe. I actually have not seen a Star of David necklace since school days, but a lot of my Jewish friends have at one point or another worn beautiful, dainty evil eye and/or hamsa necklaces and bracelets. Also when I lived in New York, a lot of mezuzahs (sp?) on doors.