wearing a jewish star

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like this would take us down the road of people wearing stars, crosses and moons.

That is, of identifying by their religion.

There have been Supreme Court cases about whether any of these should be allowed in the workplace because it might make others uncomfortable. Would you really want to work in an office where 2/3 were wearing crosses?

And rulings have consistently been that religious people are free to wear them. There is no uncertainty here.

Yeah, "there have been Supreme Court case". There have also been rulings, you idiot. You are advocating the same line of thinking that prohibits women from covering their heads (whether Muslim or Christian--this is also a historical Christian practice) or taking on other self-identifying marks of faith. Just because YOU don't think these symbols are important doesn't mean you can enforce that on everyone else.

Whoosh. Look who’s calling who an idiot.

The question is, do you really want all your Christian and Palestinian coworkers saying, hey, cool, it’s ok again to broadcast our religions (after not being completely ok for a while), so I’ll go ahead pull my confirmation cross/moon back out?

Some people feel uncomfortable surrounded by crosses at work or being treated by someone with a cross.

So yeah, those people have brought cases all the way to the Supreme Court. As you rudely said as you missed the point, yeah, SCOTUS has ruled. But the point was the discomfort that made people bring the cases. I take it you’d be fine it though.

This isn't France. People are allowed to openly bring their religious lives into the public sphere in the US and our embrace of diversity officially includes public religious identification.

Keep in mind, too, that while Jewishness coincides with religion to a certain point, there's a lot more to Jewishness than religion.

[Anonymous]

My daughter wears hers to school (a Jewish school) but I wouldn’t let her wear it out otherwise

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Performative religious symbolism is banned in France, where abortion is legal. Different strokes for different folks.

Except so many people wear crucifixes and nobody cares...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like this would take us down the road of people wearing stars, crosses and moons.

That is, of identifying by their religion.

There have been Supreme Court cases about whether any of these should be allowed in the workplace because it might make others uncomfortable. Would you really want to work in an office where 2/3 were wearing crosses?

And rulings have consistently been that religious people are free to wear them. There is no uncertainty here.

Yeah, "there have been Supreme Court case". There have also been rulings, you idiot. You are advocating the same line of thinking that prohibits women from covering their heads (whether Muslim or Christian--this is also a historical Christian practice) or taking on other self-identifying marks of faith. Just because YOU don't think these symbols are important doesn't mean you can enforce that on everyone else.

Whoosh. Look who’s calling who an idiot.

The question is, do you really want all your Christian and Palestinian coworkers saying, hey, cool, it’s ok again to broadcast our religions (after not being completely ok for a while), so I’ll go ahead pull my confirmation cross/moon back out?

Some people feel uncomfortable surrounded by crosses at work or being treated by someone with a cross.

So yeah, those people have brought cases all the way to the Supreme Court. As you rudely said as you missed the point, yeah, SCOTUS has ruled. But the point was the discomfort that made people bring the cases. I take it you’d be fine it though.

Most non-Christians hardly need people to wear crucifixes to know that we're minority religions, actually.

[Anonymous]

I've always had mine in rotation but the last few months I'm wearing it consistently. It's often tucked into my shirt, and mostly wear it for myself. I have no follow Jews at work and feel sort of lonely in the world right now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've always had mine in rotation but the last few months I'm wearing it consistently. It's often tucked into my shirt, and mostly wear it for myself. I have no follow Jews at work and feel sort of lonely in the world right now.

I see you. Shabbat shalom, my fellow tribe member!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like this would take us down the road of people wearing stars, crosses and moons.

That is, of identifying by their religion.

There have been Supreme Court cases about whether any of these should be allowed in the workplace because it might make others uncomfortable. Would you really want to work in an office where 2/3 were wearing crosses?

And rulings have consistently been that religious people are free to wear them. There is no uncertainty here.

Yeah, "there have been Supreme Court case". There have also been rulings, you idiot. You are advocating the same line of thinking that prohibits women from covering their heads (whether Muslim or Christian--this is also a historical Christian practice) or taking on other self-identifying marks of faith. Just because YOU don't think these symbols are important doesn't mean you can enforce that on everyone else.

Whoosh. Look who’s calling who an idiot.

The question is, do you really want all your Christian and Palestinian coworkers saying, hey, cool, it’s ok again to broadcast our religions (after not being completely ok for a while), so I’ll go ahead pull my confirmation cross/moon back out?

Some people feel uncomfortable surrounded by crosses at work or being treated by someone with a cross.

So yeah, those people have brought cases all the way to the Supreme Court. As you rudely said as you missed the point, yeah, SCOTUS has ruled. But the point was the discomfort that made people bring the cases. I take it you’d be fine it though.

I got your point, but I didn't respond to the stupidest part, the "uncomfortable" comment.

What you're really saying is that you're such a bigot that if your Muslim coworker was wearing a crescent necklace you would be...what? "Uncomfortable" to the point of, again, what? It's an absurd and stupid point. You are talking about "comfort" vs. someone closely held religious belief that does not hurt you.

Be "uncomfortable". It is the tiny, tiny price of living in a free, pluralist society.

DP and Jewish. It doesn't bother me when people wear a crucifix or a crescent. They are free to wear whatever they want as an expression of their faith, the same way I wear my Star of David.

I feel differently about religious symbols in the workplace, like a crucifix hanging on the wall of your office or something. That makes a semi-public space into a religious space in a way that your personal jewelry does not, and I don't particularly care to sit in your office for a meeting with a crucifix hanging over us. I have no basis to feel that way, other than my own gut feeling that there is a difference between the two situations, but that's my 2 cents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like this would take us down the road of people wearing stars, crosses and moons.

That is, of identifying by their religion.

There have been Supreme Court cases about whether any of these should be allowed in the workplace because it might make others uncomfortable. Would you really want to work in an office where 2/3 were wearing crosses?

And rulings have consistently been that religious people are free to wear them. There is no uncertainty here.

Yeah, "there have been Supreme Court case". There have also been rulings, you idiot. You are advocating the same line of thinking that prohibits women from covering their heads (whether Muslim or Christian--this is also a historical Christian practice) or taking on other self-identifying marks of faith. Just because YOU don't think these symbols are important doesn't mean you can enforce that on everyone else.

Whoosh. Look who’s calling who an idiot.

The question is, do you really want all your Christian and Palestinian coworkers saying, hey, cool, it’s ok again to broadcast our religions (after not being completely ok for a while), so I’ll go ahead pull my confirmation cross/moon back out?

Some people feel uncomfortable surrounded by crosses at work or being treated by someone with a cross.

So yeah, those people have brought cases all the way to the Supreme Court. As you rudely said as you missed the point, yeah, SCOTUS has ruled. But the point was the discomfort that made people bring the cases. I take it you’d be fine it though.

I got your point, but I didn't respond to the stupidest part, the "uncomfortable" comment.

What you're really saying is that you're such a bigot that if your Muslim coworker was wearing a crescent necklace you would be...what? "Uncomfortable" to the point of, again, what? It's an absurd and stupid point. You are talking about "comfort" vs. someone closely held religious belief that does not hurt you.

Be "uncomfortable". It is the tiny, tiny price of living in a free, pluralist society.

DP and Jewish. It doesn't bother me when people wear a crucifix or a crescent. They are free to wear whatever they want as an expression of their faith, the same way I wear my Star of David.

I feel differently about religious symbols in the workplace, like a crucifix hanging on the wall of your office or something. That makes a semi-public space into a religious space in a way that your personal jewelry does not, and I don't particularly care to sit in your office for a meeting with a crucifix hanging over us. I have no basis to feel that way, other than my own gut feeling that there is a difference between the two situations, but that's my 2 cents.

PP you responded to and I agree, especially if that office receives public funding of any kind. Also agree (obviously) that personal jewelry and manner of dress is personal and requires concessions and liberty all around--head coverings for those who do, perhaps dresses instead of the issued slacks, jewelry, turbans and on and on.

Other posters can compare us to France if they like, but don't forget what their revolution looked like compared to ours. That level of fascist secular norming is baked in to the culture.

[Anonymous]

How many Jewish people have been attacked in the DMV for wearing a star necklace?
If you want to wear a star wear a star. I wear a cross.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like this would take us down the road of people wearing stars, crosses and moons.

That is, of identifying by their religion.

There have been Supreme Court cases about whether any of these should be allowed in the workplace because it might make others uncomfortable. Would you really want to work in an office where 2/3 were wearing crosses?

And rulings have consistently been that religious people are free to wear them. There is no uncertainty here.

Yeah, "there have been Supreme Court case". There have also been rulings, you idiot. You are advocating the same line of thinking that prohibits women from covering their heads (whether Muslim or Christian--this is also a historical Christian practice) or taking on other self-identifying marks of faith. Just because YOU don't think these symbols are important doesn't mean you can enforce that on everyone else.

Whoosh. Look who’s calling who an idiot.

The question is, do you really want all your Christian and Palestinian coworkers saying, hey, cool, it’s ok again to broadcast our religions (after not being completely ok for a while), so I’ll go ahead pull my confirmation cross/moon back out?

Some people feel uncomfortable surrounded by crosses at work or being treated by someone with a cross.

So yeah, those people have brought cases all the way to the Supreme Court. As you rudely said as you missed the point, yeah, SCOTUS has ruled. But the point was the discomfort that made people bring the cases. I take it you’d be fine it though.

I got your point, but I didn't respond to the stupidest part, the "uncomfortable" comment.

What you're really saying is that you're such a bigot that if your Muslim coworker was wearing a crescent necklace you would be...what? "Uncomfortable" to the point of, again, what? It's an absurd and stupid point. You are talking about "comfort" vs. someone closely held religious belief that does not hurt you.

Be "uncomfortable". It is the tiny, tiny price of living in a free, pluralist society.

DP and Jewish. It doesn't bother me when people wear a crucifix or a crescent. They are free to wear whatever they want as an expression of their faith, the same way I wear my Star of David.

I feel differently about religious symbols in the workplace, like a crucifix hanging on the wall of your office or something. That makes a semi-public space into a religious space in a way that your personal jewelry does not, and I don't particularly care to sit in your office for a meeting with a crucifix hanging over us. I have no basis to feel that way, other than my own gut feeling that there is a difference between the two situations, but that's my 2 cents.

Not sure I agree or disagree with you tbh… I think I’d be ok with a symbol of any religion on the wall as long as it’s wasn’t a hate symbol. How do you feel about Christmas decor in the office though? Or other religious decor?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Try to be more Jewish rather than performatively wearing something Jewish.

"Performative" is a pejorative term with limited application to Jewish people and practices. It is hard to draw a line between "being performative" and practicing Judaism or just being part of Jewish culture. Ultimately, "performative" is a subjective and negative term, intended to gatekeep more than to encourage meaningful interaction with an ethnic or religious background.

+1 Judaism is in the doing. Literally in the performance.

OP - I have started thinking about these same things. I feel more Jewish than ever in my 50 years right now - and have been considering putting on a star of David, which I haven't ever worn before in my life. I'm also thinking of joining a synagogue. I feel desperate for Jewish company and community, and, yes, performance.

I am also worried about being recognizably Jewish in this climate. I'm in Florida, where we have the actual Nazis on the right and the left wing protests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How many Jewish people have been attacked in the DMV for wearing a star necklace?
If you want to wear a star wear a star. I wear a cross.

Truly, we don't need more Christians telling Jews how to feel about the climate right now - and pointing to themselves as an example of how everything's fine, they feel just fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I feel like this would take us down the road of people wearing stars, crosses and moons.

That is, of identifying by their religion.

There have been Supreme Court cases about whether any of these should be allowed in the workplace because it might make others uncomfortable. Would you really want to work in an office where 2/3 were wearing crosses?

... were you under the impression that people don't wear crosses? they do!

[Anonymous]

Solidarity with Jews over what exactly?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Solidarity with Jews over what exactly?

The last season of Curb your Enthusiasm.