Understanding Juvenile Carjacking: A Panel Discussion Moderated by Ward 6 Councilmember Charles Allen

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is a wrap around service? I hear about them quite a bit.

Parents

Basically this. Like integrative or concierge medicine. Or the "emotional labor" of a mother.
Wrap around service is government provided parenting, coordinating all the individual "transactional" services like "providing food" or "school".


https://caseworthy.com/articles/what-are-wraparound-services-in-behavioral-health/

Can the government provide transportation to their next crime? We don't want these kids to suffer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The parents/foster parents begging for accountability for their children was quite telling.

Yes, it's also reflected in this piece in Hill Rag recently: https://www.hillrag.com/2023/12/06/carjacking-is-no-big-deal/. Very worth a read, as it does a great job of clearly explaining how the system is breaking down (and how it's not really a "system" at all).

Several points from the story of the foster kid in the Hill Rag article:
- His foster dad has mixed feelings about the child's arrest but also thought to himself that some kind of consequences for this behavior was needed to change the behavior
- After the kid is released without charges on the carjacking, he started influencing other kids in the foster home, including ones as young as 13, about carjacking, which the kids refer to as "free cars"
- A year after the carjacking, the same kid was arrested for a domestic assault and wound up in a group home that his foster dad thinks might have been worse because it just placed him in a facility with other juvenile offenders where they just reinforce and encourage the idea that criminality is necessary or inevitable
- The kid now lives in another state and according to his foster dad, is on track to finish high school and considering enlisting in the military. This seems like a happier ending for that kid.

While you can't extrapolate policy critique from one story, I do think the comments from the foster dad, in particular, are valuable, because this is someone who works with a lot of kids who are "in the system" and is pretty clearly outlining the key issues at play: kids NEED accountability, we do have consider their age, detention/incarceration may not fix much and may actually increase recidivism, and there's an argument that getting kids out of the communities/families/friendships where these patterns emerge might be a path forward.

I don't know what the policy that works to remove kids from dysfunctional communities looks like, but it really looks like we're looking at dysfunction that goes beyond the family unit to the surrounding community. We need to address that dysfunction, but in the meantime, I do think we should be doing more to simply remove kids from the community (send to family out of state, out of the city, if possible) if we want to help these specific kids.

“free cars” ????

[Anonymous]

Just get fking tough on crime.

We can’t fix broken homes or teach parents to be better people.

We can however arrest and get violent people off the street so they don’t take “free cars”.

But we won’t do that because we are going to usefully analyze “the root causes of poverty”, in perpetuity, debate disparate impact in arrest and prosecution statistics, and then cry when the crime rate keeps rising.

So, no, we won’t take any meaningful action. But Charles Allen will get to say “evidence based” a lot on camera and look like he’s doing something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The parents/foster parents begging for accountability for their children was quite telling.

Yes, it's also reflected in this piece in Hill Rag recently: https://www.hillrag.com/2023/12/06/carjacking-is-no-big-deal/. Very worth a read, as it does a great job of clearly explaining how the system is breaking down (and how it's not really a "system" at all).

Several points from the story of the foster kid in the Hill Rag article:
- His foster dad has mixed feelings about the child's arrest but also thought to himself that some kind of consequences for this behavior was needed to change the behavior
- After the kid is released without charges on the carjacking, he started influencing other kids in the foster home, including ones as young as 13, about carjacking, which the kids refer to as "free cars"
- A year after the carjacking, the same kid was arrested for a domestic assault and wound up in a group home that his foster dad thinks might have been worse because it just placed him in a facility with other juvenile offenders where they just reinforce and encourage the idea that criminality is necessary or inevitable
- The kid now lives in another state and according to his foster dad, is on track to finish high school and considering enlisting in the military. This seems like a happier ending for that kid.

While you can't extrapolate policy critique from one story, I do think the comments from the foster dad, in particular, are valuable, because this is someone who works with a lot of kids who are "in the system" and is pretty clearly outlining the key issues at play: kids NEED accountability, we do have consider their age, detention/incarceration may not fix much and may actually increase recidivism, and there's an argument that getting kids out of the communities/families/friendships where these patterns emerge might be a path forward.

I don't know what the policy that works to remove kids from dysfunctional communities looks like, but it really looks like we're looking at dysfunction that goes beyond the family unit to the surrounding community. We need to address that dysfunction, but in the meantime, I do think we should be doing more to simply remove kids from the community (send to family out of state, out of the city, if possible) if we want to help these specific kids.

“free cars” ????

That is car jackings teen slang for stealing cars. It’s literally the language they use in reference to car jacking.

[Anonymous]

We can do both. We can arrest and get tough. And we can consider solutions for the various root causes. Certainly however the root cause of criminal behavior is NOT punishing people for crimes previously committed.

[Anonymous]

Look, the tough reality is that there are absolutely, without question, human pieces of dog S. NO amount of intervening and govt spending will save those people despite what liberals think. They are far too gone. Those human pieces of S then have kids who turn into the same trash, and the cycle repeats over and over again. Unfortunately, we can't require licenses for having kids. We can't make parents parent. The only thing we can do is mass incarcerate to make society safe for law abiding citizens.

I'm sorry reality hurts the senses of liberals. We can only live in the world as it is, not as we want it to be.

[Anonymous]

He is so incompetent, it’s embarrassing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why can't school truancy be automated instead of having CPS have to get a warrant to access those records? Five unexcused absenses and whatever work flow process DCPS uses, the central admin emails the teacher and sends a form letter to the parents. Same thing at ten absenses. Then at 15, that letter gets CC'd via email and mail to CPS. At that point CPS can call the parents/Guardian and just start the communication process. Does the kid need transportation? Are there underlying issues?

But automate the whole process. Seriously a first year office manager could script out an entire work flow and then have automated letters in place in a day. This is soooo easy.

Because legally you need a court order to access those school records. There are protective laws meant to protect juvenile data, but instead they keep services intended to help minors from communicating with each other. It's not automated because it would violate the law.

Huh, I wonder if there is some kind of governing body in DC that could change these rules so that CPS and DCPS could communicate with each other without having to get a judge to sign a court order?

Huh? DCPS contacts CFSA on its own after a certain number of absences already (I believe it's 10, but don't quote me). No subpoena required.

[Anonymous]

The idea of white liberals who live in three million dollar homes setting up a panel to "understand" carjacking sounds like a Christopher Guest movie.

[Anonymous]

I think all we need is an information campaign at schools like DARE but about car jackings. We can employ people to pass out literature and stickers explaining how bad it is to rob/shoot people. Maybe get a mascot, Carl Carjacked or whatever, to go to school assemblies and tell the kids about "wraparound services"

[Anonymous]

Another carjacking in Shaw today mid-afternoon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Look, the tough reality is that there are absolutely, without question, human pieces of dog S. NO amount of intervening and govt spending will save those people despite what liberals think. They are far too gone. Those human pieces of S then have kids who turn into the same trash, and the cycle repeats over and over again. Unfortunately, we can't require licenses for having kids. We can't make parents parent. The only thing we can do is mass incarcerate to make society safe for law abiding citizens.

I'm sorry reality hurts the senses of liberals. We can only live in the world as it is, not as we want it to be.

You do understand that you are potentially taking the risk of locking up the next Einstein. Are you willing to take that risk? I'm not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look, the tough reality is that there are absolutely, without question, human pieces of dog S. NO amount of intervening and govt spending will save those people despite what liberals think. They are far too gone. Those human pieces of S then have kids who turn into the same trash, and the cycle repeats over and over again. Unfortunately, we can't require licenses for having kids. We can't make parents parent. The only thing we can do is mass incarcerate to make society safe for law abiding citizens.

I'm sorry reality hurts the senses of liberals. We can only live in the world as it is, not as we want it to be.

You do understand that you are potentially taking the risk of locking up the next Einstein. Are you willing to take that risk? I'm not.

Yes.

And show me how many carjackings, armed robberies, muggings, murders, and assaults Einstein committed.

Incarcerate all of the POS and throw away the key. I do not care about age. The only way to break the cycle is to prevent human POS from replicating. But we can't do that, so all you can do is throw them in jail.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look, the tough reality is that there are absolutely, without question, human pieces of dog S. NO amount of intervening and govt spending will save those people despite what liberals think. They are far too gone. Those human pieces of S then have kids who turn into the same trash, and the cycle repeats over and over again. Unfortunately, we can't require licenses for having kids. We can't make parents parent. The only thing we can do is mass incarcerate to make society safe for law abiding citizens.

I'm sorry reality hurts the senses of liberals. We can only live in the world as it is, not as we want it to be.

You do understand that you are potentially taking the risk of locking up the next Einstein. Are you willing to take that risk? I'm not.

If Einstein were using his creativity to maim and kill random people on the streets, I've no problem with locking him up

[Anonymous]

Maybe they should try it........

During a panel, DC residents voiced their frustrations and demanded accountability from city leaders in addressing the violent crime epidemic that's plaguing our nation’s capital.

DC Attorney General Brian Schwalb’s response: “We cannot prosecute and arrest our way out of it.”