Understanding Juvenile Carjacking: A Panel Discussion Moderated by Ward 6 Councilmember Charles Allen

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With violent crime soaring back to 90s levels, it's time to bring back broken windows policing. Discuss.

We already know Broken Windows doesn’t work. The cops mostly ended up hassling working class black guys on their way to their jobs (or coming home from work), because those were easy targets for making their monthly “stop” numbers. Most cops didn’t want to actually deal with a legit gangbanger carrying a firearm.

I’m fine with bringing back the jump out squads who target drug dealers or folks selling stolen goods. Also fine with random traffic stops to ensure license plates are legit, vehicle is not stolen, or no outstanding tickets greater than $1000 (this will ensnare a lot of Maryland vehicles).

There are thousands of NYC area transplants now living in DC that can report Broken Windows does work.

[Anonymous]

Of course it does, for a time

[Anonymous]

Broken windows works.

NYC was bad in the 80's I was shocked at how it had approved by the 2000's. You could walk around like you were in a European City. You could not do this in the 80's

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Broken windows works.

NYC was bad in the 80's I was shocked at how it had approved by the 2000's. You could walk around like you were in a European City. You could not do this in the 80's

+1. This is my lived experience too. And despite what AG Schwab says, you absolutely CAN arrest your way out of this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With violent crime soaring back to 90s levels, it's time to bring back broken windows policing. Discuss.

I think you may be rushing this. You just need to give the current policies and services more time to work. A few more years and the results will start to show positive change. You can’t just arrest and prosecute everyone and expect things to change. Have faith in the elected leaders.

This is satire right?

I wish it was. This is verbatim what supporters of juvenile justice reform say. It's sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With violent crime soaring back to 90s levels, it's time to bring back broken windows policing. Discuss.

I think you may be rushing this. You just need to give the current policies and services more time to work. A few more years and the results will start to show positive change. You can’t just arrest and prosecute everyone and expect things to change. Have faith in the elected leaders.

You’re delusional. Truly delusional.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With violent crime soaring back to 90s levels, it's time to bring back broken windows policing. Discuss.

We already know Broken Windows doesn’t work. The cops mostly ended up hassling working class black guys on their way to their jobs (or coming home from work), because those were easy targets for making their monthly “stop” numbers. Most cops didn’t want to actually deal with a legit gangbanger carrying a firearm.

I’m fine with bringing back the jump out squads who target drug dealers or folks selling stolen goods. Also fine with random traffic stops to ensure license plates are legit, vehicle is not stolen, or no outstanding tickets greater than $1000 (this will ensnare a lot of Maryland vehicles).

Citation?

Yes to the rest

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With violent crime soaring back to 90s levels, it's time to bring back broken windows policing. Discuss.

We already know Broken Windows doesn’t work. The cops mostly ended up hassling working class black guys on their way to their jobs (or coming home from work), because those were easy targets for making their monthly “stop” numbers. Most cops didn’t want to actually deal with a legit gangbanger carrying a firearm.

I’m fine with bringing back the jump out squads who target drug dealers or folks selling stolen goods. Also fine with random traffic stops to ensure license plates are legit, vehicle is not stolen, or no outstanding tickets greater than $1000 (this will ensnare a lot of Maryland vehicles).

Broken windows does work. Incarcerate people who break the law. Do not allow them to procreate. This is the only way out of this situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With violent crime soaring back to 90s levels, it's time to bring back broken windows policing. Discuss.

We already know Broken Windows doesn’t work. The cops mostly ended up hassling working class black guys on their way to their jobs (or coming home from work), because those were easy targets for making their monthly “stop” numbers. Most cops didn’t want to actually deal with a legit gangbanger carrying a firearm.

I’m fine with bringing back the jump out squads who target drug dealers or folks selling stolen goods. Also fine with random traffic stops to ensure license plates are legit, vehicle is not stolen, or no outstanding tickets greater than $1000 (this will ensnare a lot of Maryland vehicles).

There are thousands of NYC area transplants now living in DC that can report Broken Windows does work.

It didn’t do sh#t except violate the Constitutional rights of thousands of NY’ers. The NYPD found a gun or open warrant in like 1 out of every 300 stops. What about the rights of the 299 innocent people who were hassled?

Black school kids who were randomly stop & frisked were more likely to do poor on tests, drop out of school, suffer from anxiety & depression, and not vote. Even Bloomberg has apologized for stop & frisk, saying it was ineffective:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/02/upshot/stop-and-frisk-bloomberg.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

The only time “stop & frisk” worked was when the cops already had probably cause about an individual. In other words, they had clear evidence or observation that the individual was actively engaged in a criminal activity. They didn’t even need stop & frisk to detain the individual.

Some elements of broken windows does work to provide a more orderly environment - cleaning up graffiti, ticketing littering, jumping out on drug dealers, enforcing traffic laws, etc. But stopping random black guys?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With violent crime soaring back to 90s levels, it's time to bring back broken windows policing. Discuss.

I think you may be rushing this. You just need to give the current policies and services more time to work. A few more years and the results will start to show positive change. You can’t just arrest and prosecute everyone and expect things to change. Have faith in the elected leaders.

You’re delusional. Truly delusional.

I guess Im just trying to understand how DC got here from a policy perspective. Didn't voters support these leaders and their respective ideas that are currently in place? Are people saying that these policies don't work? Or just that the current trend in criminal conduct is unrelated to the policies driven by our elected officials? As I understand it, many of those elected have a good bit of support from the local constituency. Is this not true?

So in my estimation, the elected leaders and their progressive policies on crime were and still are supported by DC residents, mostly. Or DC residents don't think crime and their elected leaders and subsequent progressive policies are related? I don't like to throw out the "this is what people voted for," but I have a hard time believing everyone in these crime threads are MAGA. It is interesting that I also never see thoughtful and reasoned support for what's happening either, so maybe the voters just turning a blind eye as long as any democrat is elected? Or they aren't affected by these occurrences? Or maybe it really isn't an issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With violent crime soaring back to 90s levels, it's time to bring back broken windows policing. Discuss.

We already know Broken Windows doesn’t work. The cops mostly ended up hassling working class black guys on their way to their jobs (or coming home from work), because those were easy targets for making their monthly “stop” numbers. Most cops didn’t want to actually deal with a legit gangbanger carrying a firearm.

I’m fine with bringing back the jump out squads who target drug dealers or folks selling stolen goods. Also fine with random traffic stops to ensure license plates are legit, vehicle is not stolen, or no outstanding tickets greater than $1000 (this will ensnare a lot of Maryland vehicles).

There are thousands of NYC area transplants now living in DC that can report Broken Windows does work.

It didn’t do sh#t except violate the Constitutional rights of thousands of NY’ers. The NYPD found a gun or open warrant in like 1 out of every 300 stops. What about the rights of the 299 innocent people who were hassled?

Black school kids who were randomly stop & frisked were more likely to do poor on tests, drop out of school, suffer from anxiety & depression, and not vote. Even Bloomberg has apologized for stop & frisk, saying it was ineffective:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/02/upshot/stop-and-frisk-bloomberg.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

The only time “stop & frisk” worked was when the cops already had probably cause about an individual. In other words, they had clear evidence or observation that the individual was actively engaged in a criminal activity. They didn’t even need stop & frisk to detain the individual.

Some elements of broken windows does work to provide a more orderly environment - cleaning up graffiti, ticketing littering, jumping out on drug dealers, enforcing traffic laws, etc. But stopping random black guys?

Broken Windows is not the same as Stop and Frisk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With violent crime soaring back to 90s levels, it's time to bring back broken windows policing. Discuss.

We already know Broken Windows doesn’t work. The cops mostly ended up hassling working class black guys on their way to their jobs (or coming home from work), because those were easy targets for making their monthly “stop” numbers. Most cops didn’t want to actually deal with a legit gangbanger carrying a firearm.

I’m fine with bringing back the jump out squads who target drug dealers or folks selling stolen goods. Also fine with random traffic stops to ensure license plates are legit, vehicle is not stolen, or no outstanding tickets greater than $1000 (this will ensnare a lot of Maryland vehicles).

I support this but the police should only patrol in Ward 3. Previous patrols were focused on other wards in the city, and a matter of equity, Ward 3 should receive its fair share of beatings.

[Anonymous]

How about calling the national guard up and just have tanks rolling up and down the streets everyday?

[Anonymous]

Yes please. Please send the police to patrol our neighborhoods. Also very happy to be stopped and searched.

Just one small ask — please also set up roadblocks to the other Wards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How about calling the national guard up and just have tanks rolling up and down the streets everyday?

The last time Wards 1, 6 and such got any sleep. Yes please