Understanding Juvenile Carjacking: A Panel Discussion Moderated by Ward 6 Councilmember Charles Allen

[Anonymous]

Frumin is a clown. Doesn't even acknowledge calls or emails. Mary Cheh was SO MUCH BETTER. I MISS HER!

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Anonymous wrote:With violent crime soaring back to 90s levels, it's time to bring back broken windows policing. Discuss.

I think you may be rushing this. You just need to give the current policies and services more time to work. A few more years and the results will start to show positive change. You can’t just arrest and prosecute everyone and expect things to change. Have faith in the elected leaders.

You’re delusional. Truly delusional.

I guess Im just trying to understand how DC got here from a policy perspective. Didn't voters support these leaders and their respective ideas that are currently in place? Are people saying that these policies don't work? Or just that the current trend in criminal conduct is unrelated to the policies driven by our elected officials? As I understand it, many of those elected have a good bit of support from the local constituency. Is this not true?

So in my estimation, the elected leaders and their progressive policies on crime were and still are supported by DC residents, mostly. Or DC residents don't think crime and their elected leaders and subsequent progressive policies are related? I don't like to throw out the "this is what people voted for," but I have a hard time believing everyone in these crime threads are MAGA. It is interesting that I also never see thoughtful and reasoned support for what's happening either, so maybe the voters just turning a blind eye as long as any democrat is elected? Or they aren't affected by these occurrences? Or maybe it really isn't an issue.

The voting base for the primaries are extremists who rule the Democrat machine in DC and make sure moderates get no funding or support. Their extreme policies are easy to talk about without actually doing anything substantive because they sound nice. They hand wave any solution that either doesn't work 100% of the time or can somewhat credibly be said to impact a hypothetical minority in some bad way. That's why you see them say you "can't prosecute out of this" then talk about root causes which are impossible to address with rampant crime.

In sum, DC residents have a hard time speaking out against their politicians because they get called racist if they are white and condescended to or ignored if they are a POC.

Some of the candidates also lie.. eg Frumin and Brian Schwalb. They sound moderate but once elected they are exactly like the rest..

Remember Schwab's ad, claiming he was "gonna get after" juvenile crime?

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Anonymous wrote:With violent crime soaring back to 90s levels, it's time to bring back broken windows policing. Discuss.

We already know Broken Windows doesn’t work. The cops mostly ended up hassling working class black guys on their way to their jobs (or coming home from work), because those were easy targets for making their monthly “stop” numbers. Most cops didn’t want to actually deal with a legit gangbanger carrying a firearm.

I’m fine with bringing back the jump out squads who target drug dealers or folks selling stolen goods. Also fine with random traffic stops to ensure license plates are legit, vehicle is not stolen, or no outstanding tickets greater than $1000 (this will ensnare a lot of Maryland vehicles).

There are thousands of NYC area transplants now living in DC that can report Broken Windows does work.

It didn’t do sh#t except violate the Constitutional rights of thousands of NY’ers. The NYPD found a gun or open warrant in like 1 out of every 300 stops. What about the rights of the 299 innocent people who were hassled?

Black school kids who were randomly stop & frisked were more likely to do poor on tests, drop out of school, suffer from anxiety & depression, and not vote. Even Bloomberg has apologized for stop & frisk, saying it was ineffective:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/02/upshot/stop-and-frisk-bloomberg.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

The only time “stop & frisk” worked was when the cops already had probably cause about an individual. In other words, they had clear evidence or observation that the individual was actively engaged in a criminal activity. They didn’t even need stop & frisk to detain the individual.

Some elements of broken windows does work to provide a more orderly environment - cleaning up graffiti, ticketing littering, jumping out on drug dealers, enforcing traffic laws, etc. But stopping random black guys?

Broken Windows is not the same as Stop and Frisk...

[Anonymous]

I have no figs left to give: bring on anyone who will federalize the city and roll the army in, thank you. Then we can talk about how to reorganize when the war on crime is over.

[Anonymous]

You can thank Causcescu Allen for that directly.

[Anonymous]

DC might start with implanting this “wrap around service” for juvenile carjackers and other violent criminals:

https://journaltimes.com/sean-riker/image_428d1363-2663-5b6b-a83b-083412f67935.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=email&utm_campaign=user-share

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Anonymous wrote:I have no figs left to give: bring on anyone who will federalize the city and roll the army in, thank you. Then we can talk about how to reorganize when the war on crime is over.

If there’s a war on crime, the criminals not only won, it’s been a massacre.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Put the kids in juvie and the parents in jail if kid commits are crime while minor and after the curfew

Have the community police its own. Crime will plummet

And make sure it's life sentence, because they won't be better when they get out. But prisons are too expensive. They should be sent to work on giant farms, planting across the nation. Call them "plantations".
And if they have more kids on the plantation, those kids should live and work there too, because they can't be free and alone.

You are equating putting convicted criminals in prison for committing crimes to innocents kidnapped into slavery?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Frumin is a clown. Doesn't even acknowledge calls or emails. Mary Cheh was SO MUCH BETTER. I MISS HER!

Amen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With violent crime soaring back to 90s levels, it's time to bring back broken windows policing. Discuss.

I think you may be rushing this. You just need to give the current policies and services more time to work. A few more years and the results will start to show positive change. You can’t just arrest and prosecute everyone and expect things to change. Have faith in the elected leaders.

You’re delusional. Truly delusional.

I guess Im just trying to understand how DC got here from a policy perspective. Didn't voters support these leaders and their respective ideas that are currently in place? Are people saying that these policies don't work? Or just that the current trend in criminal conduct is unrelated to the policies driven by our elected officials? As I understand it, many of those elected have a good bit of support from the local constituency. Is this not true?

So in my estimation, the elected leaders and their progressive policies on crime were and still are supported by DC residents, mostly. Or DC residents don't think crime and their elected leaders and subsequent progressive policies are related? I don't like to throw out the "this is what people voted for," but I have a hard time believing everyone in these crime threads are MAGA. It is interesting that I also never see thoughtful and reasoned support for what's happening either, so maybe the voters just turning a blind eye as long as any democrat is elected? Or they aren't affected by these occurrences? Or maybe it really isn't an issue.

The voting base for the primaries are extremists who rule the Democrat machine in DC and make sure moderates get no funding or support. Their extreme policies are easy to talk about without actually doing anything substantive because they sound nice. They hand wave any solution that either doesn't work 100% of the time or can somewhat credibly be said to impact a hypothetical minority in some bad way. That's why you see them say you "can't prosecute out of this" then talk about root causes which are impossible to address with rampant crime.

In sum, DC residents have a hard time speaking out against their politicians because they get called racist if they are white and condescended to or ignored if they are a POC.

Some of the candidates also lie.. eg Frumin and Brian Schwalb. They sound moderate but once elected they are exactly like the rest..

Remember Schwab's ad, claiming he was "gonna get after" juvenile crime?

His 'hugs for thugs' initiative.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Broken windows works.

NYC was bad in the 80's I was shocked at how it had approved by the 2000's. You could walk around like you were in a European City. You could not do this in the 80's

+1. This is my lived experience too. And despite what AG Schwab says, you absolutely CAN arrest your way out of this.

+1. Also my lived experience, Manhattan in 80s and then 2000s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With violent crime soaring back to 90s levels, it's time to bring back broken windows policing. Discuss.

I think you may be rushing this. You just need to give the current policies and services more time to work. A few more years and the results will start to show positive change. You can’t just arrest and prosecute everyone and expect things to change. Have faith in the elected leaders.

You’re delusional. Truly delusional.

Total joke.

And to the bolder; yes, you can.

[Anonymous]

100%

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With violent crime soaring back to 90s levels, it's time to bring back broken windows policing. Discuss.

We already know Broken Windows doesn’t work. The cops mostly ended up hassling working class black guys on their way to their jobs (or coming home from work), because those were easy targets for making their monthly “stop” numbers. Most cops didn’t want to actually deal with a legit gangbanger carrying a firearm.

I’m fine with bringing back the jump out squads who target drug dealers or folks selling stolen goods. Also fine with random traffic stops to ensure license plates are legit, vehicle is not stolen, or no outstanding tickets greater than $1000 (this will ensnare a lot of Maryland vehicles).

There are thousands of NYC area transplants now living in DC that can report Broken Windows does work.

It didn’t do sh#t except violate the Constitutional rights of thousands of NY’ers. The NYPD found a gun or open warrant in like 1 out of every 300 stops. What about the rights of the 299 innocent people who were hassled?

Black school kids who were randomly stop & frisked were more likely to do poor on tests, drop out of school, suffer from anxiety & depression, and not vote. Even Bloomberg has apologized for stop & frisk, saying it was ineffective:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/02/upshot/stop-and-frisk-bloomberg.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

The only time “stop & frisk” worked was when the cops already had probably cause about an individual. In other words, they had clear evidence or observation that the individual was actively engaged in a criminal activity. They didn’t even need stop & frisk to detain the individual.

Some elements of broken windows does work to provide a more orderly environment - cleaning up graffiti, ticketing littering, jumping out on drug dealers, enforcing traffic laws, etc. But stopping random black guys?

Broken Windows is not the same as Stop and Frisk...

Don’t you think we’re past that? Let’s do both.