Could Crown High School and/or Northwood stall out?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:RM, QO, Northwest, and Gaithersburg will be overcrowded when Crown opens. As is Churchill. Only Wootton has space available in the area, but not nearly enough to relieve all the schools.

And yes, MCPS loses the land rights if they don't build Crown.

I believed, until I ran the numbers. Overcrowding is BS. RM, QO, NW and Gaithersburg could just shift boundaries to less crowded schools. But that would mean, for example, assigning kids to Watkins Mill.

I'm now in the camp that says the only reason why Crown is being built is to (a) keep the land rights and (b) provide the Central Office staff who live in CG and work at Hungerford with COSA options.

Specifically which areas do you think MCPS could "just shift", from which specific school, to which specific school? If you can run the numbers, then you can also show us your work.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RM, QO, Northwest, and Gaithersburg will be overcrowded when Crown opens. As is Churchill. Only Wootton has space available in the area, but not nearly enough to relieve all the schools.

And yes, MCPS loses the land rights if they don't build Crown.

I believed, until I ran the numbers. Overcrowding is BS. RM, QO, NW and Gaithersburg could just shift boundaries to less crowded schools. But that would mean, for example, assigning kids to Watkins Mill.

I'm now in the camp that says the only reason why Crown is being built is to (a) keep the land rights and (b) provide the Central Office staff who live in CG and work at Hungerford with COSA options.

Specifically which areas do you think MCPS could "just shift", from which specific school, to which specific school? If you can run the numbers, then you can also show us your work.

DP. And keep in mind that overcrowding/"utilization" is just one of the four factors MCPS will take into account when redrawing boundaries.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RM, QO, Northwest, and Gaithersburg will be overcrowded when Crown opens. As is Churchill. Only Wootton has space available in the area, but not nearly enough to relieve all the schools.

And yes, MCPS loses the land rights if they don't build Crown.

I believed, until I ran the numbers. Overcrowding is BS. RM, QO, NW and Gaithersburg could just shift boundaries to less crowded schools. But that would mean, for example, assigning kids to Watkins Mill.

I'm now in the camp that says the only reason why Crown is being built is to (a) keep the land rights and (b) provide the Central Office staff who live in CG and work at Hungerford with COSA options.

Specifically which areas do you think MCPS could "just shift", from which specific school, to which specific school? If you can run the numbers, then you can also show us your work.

Go read the numbers on CIP of each clusters yourself. It’s not that hard. Who are you, so entitled that he/she has to show you the work?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RM, QO, Northwest, and Gaithersburg will be overcrowded when Crown opens. As is Churchill. Only Wootton has space available in the area, but not nearly enough to relieve all the schools.

And yes, MCPS loses the land rights if they don't build Crown.

I believed, until I ran the numbers. Overcrowding is BS. RM, QO, NW and Gaithersburg could just shift boundaries to less crowded schools. But that would mean, for example, assigning kids to Watkins Mill.

I'm now in the camp that says the only reason why Crown is being built is to (a) keep the land rights and (b) provide the Central Office staff who live in CG and work at Hungerford with COSA options.

Specifically which areas do you think MCPS could "just shift", from which specific school, to which specific school? If you can run the numbers, then you can also show us your work.

Go read the numbers on CIP of each clusters yourself. It’s not that hard. Who are you, so entitled that he/she has to show you the work?

I've looked at the numbers. I came to a different conclusion from the PP. It's fully reasonable to ask PP to explain how they came up with their results.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RM, QO, Northwest, and Gaithersburg will be overcrowded when Crown opens. As is Churchill. Only Wootton has space available in the area, but not nearly enough to relieve all the schools.

And yes, MCPS loses the land rights if they don't build Crown.

I believed, until I ran the numbers. Overcrowding is BS. RM, QO, NW and Gaithersburg could just shift boundaries to less crowded schools. But that would mean, for example, assigning kids to Watkins Mill.

I'm now in the camp that says the only reason why Crown is being built is to (a) keep the land rights and (b) provide the Central Office staff who live in CG and work at Hungerford with COSA options.

Specifically which areas do you think MCPS could "just shift", from which specific school, to which specific school? If you can run the numbers, then you can also show us your work.

Go read the numbers on CIP of each clusters yourself. It’s not that hard. Who are you, so entitled that he/she has to show you the work?

dp.. LOL.. that's your definition of "entitled"?

Generally, the person making the assertion should be the one to backup their claim.

Who are you, so entitled to just say whatever they want without backing it up. You have to show your work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP posted a Fox story from almost a year ago. Latest census data was from 2022

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/montgomerycountymaryland/

and showed a whopping <1% decline in MoCO from 2020, during which pandemic-related moves had seen a greater than typical shift to the exurbs. Meanwhile, the under-18 population trend was increasing.

With the usual references to taxes, etc., I'd hazard a guess that this is just an attempt to start a conversation in a particular direction. I mean, why provide public education at all, really, when all it does is make us pay, AMIRITE?

What a deep thinker you are...

[Anonymous]

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Crown doesn’t really need to be built. There are enough high school space to accommodate some overcrowding high schools. All they need to do is just to slightly shift the boundaries.

"Slightly" shift which boundaries where?

QO to Gaithersburg or Wootton. Gaithersburg/RM to magruder, sherwood,etc.

That's just hand-waving. I think we need more detail.

Maybe a county wide boundary study would do just that......

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Crown doesn’t really need to be built. There are enough high school space to accommodate some overcrowding high schools. All they need to do is just to slightly shift the boundaries.

"Slightly" shift which boundaries where?

QO to Gaithersburg or Wootton. Gaithersburg/RM to magruder, sherwood,etc.

That's just hand-waving. I think we need more detail.

Maybe a county wide boundary study would do just that......

The county-wide boundary analysis provided a lot of useful information. There is not going to be any county-wide boundary study. Whether you think there should be one, or whether you think there shouldn't be one, there is not going to be one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Crown doesn’t really need to be built. There are enough high school space to accommodate some overcrowding high schools. All they need to do is just to slightly shift the boundaries.

"Slightly" shift which boundaries where?

QO to Gaithersburg or Wootton. Gaithersburg/RM to magruder, sherwood,etc.

That's just hand-waving. I think we need more detail.

Maybe a county wide boundary study would do just that......

The county-wide boundary analysis provided a lot of useful information. There is not going to be any county-wide boundary study. Whether you think there should be one, or whether you think there shouldn't be one, there is not going to be one.

ok cool guy - potato potatoe

Like you said the analysis provided plenty of information that showed that the county needs to stop looking only within a cluster to solve overcrowding. Look beyond the cluster and take advantage of the underutilized schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Crown doesn’t really need to be built. There are enough high school space to accommodate some overcrowding high schools. All they need to do is just to slightly shift the boundaries.

"Slightly" shift which boundaries where?

QO to Gaithersburg or Wootton. Gaithersburg/RM to magruder, sherwood,etc.

That's just hand-waving. I think we need more detail.

Maybe a county wide boundary study would do just that......

The county-wide boundary analysis provided a lot of useful information. There is not going to be any county-wide boundary study. Whether you think there should be one, or whether you think there shouldn't be one, there is not going to be one.

ok cool guy - potato potatoe

Like you said the analysis provided plenty of information that showed that the county needs to stop looking only within a cluster to solve overcrowding. Look beyond the cluster and take advantage of the underutilized schools.

How, specifically? Which areas should be shifted from which schools to which schools?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Crown doesn’t really need to be built. There are enough high school space to accommodate some overcrowding high schools. All they need to do is just to slightly shift the boundaries.

"Slightly" shift which boundaries where?

QO to Gaithersburg or Wootton. Gaithersburg/RM to magruder, sherwood,etc.

That's just hand-waving. I think we need more detail.

Maybe a county wide boundary study would do just that......

The county-wide boundary analysis provided a lot of useful information. There is not going to be any county-wide boundary study. Whether you think there should be one, or whether you think there shouldn't be one, there is not going to be one.

ok cool guy - potato potatoe

Like you said the analysis provided plenty of information that showed that the county needs to stop looking only within a cluster to solve overcrowding. Look beyond the cluster and take advantage of the underutilized schools.

How, specifically? Which areas should be shifted from which schools to which schools?

Maybe just rework the boundaries to better use those underutilized schools. Still imagine new schools like Crown and Woodward are necessary since they keep adding more housing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Crown doesn’t really need to be built. There are enough high school space to accommodate some overcrowding high schools. All they need to do is just to slightly shift the boundaries.

"Slightly" shift which boundaries where?

QO to Gaithersburg or Wootton. Gaithersburg/RM to magruder, sherwood,etc.

That's just hand-waving. I think we need more detail.

Maybe a county wide boundary study would do just that......

The county-wide boundary analysis provided a lot of useful information. There is not going to be any county-wide boundary study. Whether you think there should be one, or whether you think there shouldn't be one, there is not going to be one.

ok cool guy - potato potatoe

Like you said the analysis provided plenty of information that showed that the county needs to stop looking only within a cluster to solve overcrowding. Look beyond the cluster and take advantage of the underutilized schools.

How, specifically? Which areas should be shifted from which schools to which schools?

Just put the new neighborhoods in the closest schools with available seats. Make that the policy and developers will stop trying to get out of funding new schools.

[Anonymous]

Still waiting for SPECIFIC ideas, not hand-waving generalities that MCPS should "just" do.

[Anonymous]

If you listen to the budget workshop from today, they say enrollment is down in every grade except 10 and 11. Who knows how long that will last and/or will it get worse?

[Anonymous]

Crown HS is needed to keep MCPS schools near their current sizes, OR MCPS could operate fewer but larger 3,000 student high schools which are becoming more common in the Northern Va suburbs.