Could Crown High School and/or Northwood stall out?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They pulled a permit for Northwood construction. https://mocoshow.com/2024/01/19/198-million-permit-pulled-for-new-northwood-high-school-construction/

Both Northwood and Crown have the same completion date. So if crown permit hasn’t been pulled, does it mean crown cannot be completed by Aug 2027?

No, it does not mean that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Crown doesn’t really need to be built. There are enough high school space to accommodate some overcrowding high schools. All they need to do is just to slightly shift the boundaries.

"Slightly" shift which boundaries where?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Crown doesn’t really need to be built. There are enough high school space to accommodate some overcrowding high schools. All they need to do is just to slightly shift the boundaries.

"Slightly" shift which boundaries where?

QO to Gaithersburg or Wootton. Gaithersburg/RM to magruder, sherwood,etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RM, QO, Northwest, and Gaithersburg will be overcrowded when Crown opens. As is Churchill. Only Wootton has space available in the area, but not nearly enough to relieve all the schools.

And yes, MCPS loses the land rights if they don't build Crown.

What is the deadline to build Crown before MCPS loses the land rights?

I believe they had 20 years starting in 2006 for the construction project to be funded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Crown doesn’t really need to be built. There are enough high school space to accommodate some overcrowding high schools. All they need to do is just to slightly shift the boundaries.

"Slightly" shift which boundaries where?

QO to Gaithersburg or Wootton. Gaithersburg/RM to magruder, sherwood,etc.

That's just hand-waving. I think we need more detail.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RM, QO, Northwest, and Gaithersburg will be overcrowded when Crown opens. As is Churchill. Only Wootton has space available in the area, but not nearly enough to relieve all the schools.

And yes, MCPS loses the land rights if they don't build Crown.

What is the deadline to build Crown before MCPS loses the land rights?

I believe they had 20 years starting in 2006 for the construction project to be funded.

There's more info here:

https://www.gaithersburgmd.gov/government/projects-in-the-city/crown-farm-high-school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RM, QO, Northwest, and Gaithersburg will be overcrowded when Crown opens. As is Churchill. Only Wootton has space available in the area, but not nearly enough to relieve all the schools.

And yes, MCPS loses the land rights if they don't build Crown.

What is the deadline to build Crown before MCPS loses the land rights?

I believe they had 20 years starting in 2006 for the construction project to be funded.

So realistically, it could be delayed for one more year before losing the site.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RM, QO, Northwest, and Gaithersburg will be overcrowded when Crown opens. As is Churchill. Only Wootton has space available in the area, but not nearly enough to relieve all the schools.

And yes, MCPS loses the land rights if they don't build Crown.

What is the deadline to build Crown before MCPS loses the land rights?

I believe they had 20 years starting in 2006 for the construction project to be funded.

There's more info here:

https://www.gaithersburgmd.gov/government/projects-in-the-city/crown-farm-high-school

On that page, it says:

"Under the terms of the annexation agreement the City will transfer the site to MCPS when two years of construction funding has been secured."

According to page 23 of the FY 2025 Capital Budget, FY2023 and FY2024 have small construction expenditures. Do those count as "two years of construction funding"?

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/cipmasterpdfs/CIP25_BOECIP.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rising prices imply steady or increasing demand for housing. If people were really leaving the county in droves, demand would decrease and prices would go down.

And yet the census shows a population decline and school enrollment is declining. It’s still possible to have rising prices amid declining population if there’s a supply/demand mismatch in certain segments or households are smaller.

Fake news.
School enrollment is increasing , again. It only declined during the pandemic.

[Anonymous]

I believe ya'll when it comes to local demographics, but note that nationwide the school age population is getting smaller.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/14/opinion/declining-enrollment.html

"The number of school-age children in America is declining. At least one reason is the falling birthrate after the Great Recession. And declining university enrollment based on a lower school-age population — which has been described as a “demographic cliff” — is something that some colleges are already grappling with."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I believe ya'll when it comes to local demographics, but note that nationwide the school age population is getting smaller.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/14/opinion/declining-enrollment.html

"The number of school-age children in America is declining. At least one reason is the falling birthrate after the Great Recession. And declining university enrollment based on a lower school-age population — which has been described as a “demographic cliff” — is something that some colleges are already grappling with."

Sure. But it doesn't have any direct impact on MoCo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:RM, QO, Northwest, and Gaithersburg will be overcrowded when Crown opens. As is Churchill. Only Wootton has space available in the area, but not nearly enough to relieve all the schools.

And yes, MCPS loses the land rights if they don't build Crown.

I believed, until I ran the numbers. Overcrowding is BS. RM, QO, NW and Gaithersburg could just shift boundaries to less crowded schools. But that would mean, for example, assigning kids to Watkins Mill.

I'm now in the camp that says the only reason why Crown is being built is to (a) keep the land rights and (b) provide the Central Office staff who live in CG and work at Hungerford with COSA options.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RM, QO, Northwest, and Gaithersburg will be overcrowded when Crown opens. As is Churchill. Only Wootton has space available in the area, but not nearly enough to relieve all the schools.

And yes, MCPS loses the land rights if they don't build Crown.

I believed, until I ran the numbers. Overcrowding is BS. RM, QO, NW and Gaithersburg could just shift boundaries to less crowded schools. But that would mean, for example, assigning kids to Watkins Mill.

I'm now in the camp that says the only reason why Crown is being built is to (a) keep the land rights and (b) provide the Central Office staff who live in CG and work at Hungerford with COSA options.

OK, show us your work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rising prices imply steady or increasing demand for housing. If people were really leaving the county in droves, demand would decrease and prices would go down.

And yet the census shows a population decline and school enrollment is declining. It’s still possible to have rising prices amid declining population if there’s a supply/demand mismatch in certain segments or households are smaller.

Fake news.
School enrollment is increasing , again. It only declined during the pandemic.

You’re funny. The MCPS budget has a lower enrollment projection for last year than it did for this year. The state forecasts declining enrollment too.

[Anonymous]

Current enrollment is 160,770
Next year's projection is 161,565
The year after is 163,382
2029-30 is 167,543

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/cipmasterpdfs/CIP25_AppendixA.pdf