Censoring pro-palestine speech

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why does it seem like any statement or support for Palestine is now considered anti-semetic? It should be okay to say that I support the people of Israel after the horrific acts of terrorism but I do not support the corrupt ultra-right government of Israel. I detest Hamas but support the civilians of Palestine particularly all the innocent children trapped there. This past week a group of parents at my friends objected to the annual trick or treat for UNICEF because some of the proceeds would be used to help children in Palestine. This seems insane to me, it seems like any expression of support for Palestine is now considered unacceptable in the workplace, on social media, or at school. I find this completely out of line as a proponent of free speech. It seems like a dangerous slope that we are treading down.

I don't know anyone who would object to what you posted.

But that's NOT at all what most of the "pro-Palestinian" posters, groups, or people are saying.

The messaging has been:

1. Terrorist attack was Israel's fault. (Harvard)
2. Yay, Hamas! (Cornell professor)
3. Free Palestine! (with no mention of the Hamas attack, and no mention of what happens to Israel)
4. Jews are war criminals/running concentration camps, etc. (note "Jews", note no mention of Hamas, prior aggression towards Israel, etc.).

Ask Jeff how many posts he's had to delete from the 900 page thread on this. I guarantee you that the number is exceptionally high, and I'd guess that the vast majority have been removed for anti-Semitism.

There's plenty of room for nuanced, balanced, compassionate dialogue here. We're just not seeing much of it from the "pro-Palestinian" side.

That is not true. If you red reddit, there are a lot of empathy towards the suffering of innocent people on both side. Here people can post without even a handle, so the the posts are more unhinged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP. I cannot fathom what OP is talking about. The large pro-Palestinian protests where I live (deep blue urban) have had signs and chants calling for the destruction of all Jews. Like not lefty “no justice no peace” but full-on destroy the Jews type stuff.

Seriously I cannot imagine a world where the Palestinian cause has *more* lack of censorship. I’m completely puzzled as to what OP is talking about.

+1
My Israeli friends are afraid of flying the flag of Israel. I have not seen any Israeli flags in our progressive neighborhood. None.
Israel went through a major tragedy, it was attacked with unimaginable cruelty, and instead of showing support, the public is victim blaming and supporting the country where terrorists came from.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Everyone has rightly called for the hostages to come home but calling for a ceasefire in holllywood hasn’t really happened from what I’ve see . It’s like those civilians don’t matter or people are too afraid of being cancelled.

That isn't true- Jon Stewart and a bunch of others have written an open letter calling for a ceasefire. Not wanting to collect fr Unicef b/c it'll feed palistinin children is some borderline "nits make lice" cruelty and racism. Hamas and any other Muslim brotherhood affiliate is horrible and the hostage situation is beyond comprehension bad (of Cours ether UN has been offering to negotiate for the hostages) but not feeling for little 5 year old kids who are buried under rubble and slowly dying from starvation and lack of oxygen is taking anger into madness.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does it seem like any statement or support for Palestine is now considered anti-semetic? It should be okay to say that I support the people of Israel after the horrific acts of terrorism but I do not support the corrupt ultra-right government of Israel. I detest Hamas but support the civilians of Palestine particularly all the innocent children trapped there. This past week a group of parents at my friends objected to the annual trick or treat for UNICEF because some of the proceeds would be used to help children in Palestine. This seems insane to me, it seems like any expression of support for Palestine is now considered unacceptable in the workplace, on social media, or at school. I find this completely out of line as a proponent of free speech. It seems like a dangerous slope that we are treading down.

It’s too funny how the left is finally paying attention to speech issues now that impacts them personally.

To quote a leftist talking point: freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from consequences. No parent is forced to support Palestinian causes and it is their right to abstain from the trick or treat.

I personally agree with you that this cancel culture is ridiculous. I just find the hypocrisy on the left too much to take. How would you feel about a trick or treat that supports Israeli causes? Would you really be posting this if that parents were boycotting that instead? I doubt it.

As usual, someone from the right comparing apples to oranges attempting to get a zinger in there.

No, it’s the exact same thing. Would OP be posting this comment about “censorship” if the moms boycotted trick or treat because UNICEF gives money to Israeli kids?

Um yes! I would hope so- not wanting to give money to Unicef b/c you support some variety of children to go hungry is evil. Anyone who wants any kids to go hungry is a bad person- I dont care what stripe of parents these kids have.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why does it seem like any statement or support for Palestine is now considered anti-semetic? It should be okay to say that I support the people of Israel after the horrific acts of terrorism but I do not support the corrupt ultra-right government of Israel. I detest Hamas but support the civilians of Palestine particularly all the innocent children trapped there. This past week a group of parents at my friends objected to the annual trick or treat for UNICEF because some of the proceeds would be used to help children in Palestine. This seems insane to me, it seems like any expression of support for Palestine is now considered unacceptable in the workplace, on social media, or at school. I find this completely out of line as a proponent of free speech. It seems like a dangerous slope that we are treading down.

It’s too funny how the left is finally paying attention to speech issues now that impacts them personally.

To quote a leftist talking point: freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from consequences. No parent is forced to support Palestinian causes and it is their right to abstain from the trick or treat.

I personally agree with you that this cancel culture is ridiculous. I just find the hypocrisy on the left too much to take. How would you feel about a trick or treat that supports Israeli causes? Would you really be posting this if that parents were boycotting that instead? I doubt it.

Given UNICEF aid ends up in the hands of Hamas? I would inform them of this and gently refuse. Educate Educate Educate

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Another example is the UN Secretary General. He said the Hamas attacks didn't happen in a vacuum, which is stating the obvious. Israel wants to SecGen to resign and plans to deny UN representatives visas into Israel.

This! The Israeli representatives lost it and started attacking immediately. Totally normal! Totally normal for the rabid pro-Israelis to slur the UN, all NGOs, all press excepting Times of Israel, Jerusalem Post, NY Post (not so fast, Haaretz). It’s all disturbing and evidences a seriously successful long-term campaign.

The level of barbarity in the Hamas attack has no parallel.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If there is an effort to censor pro Palestinian support, it’s going VERY poorly.

If by censor, you mean condemn students ripping down posters of kidnapped Israelis (among them 30+ children and infants) or call out violent protestors spewing profanity or praising terrorists, that’s a different story- and there has been very little of that.

Thank you for your sanity. This thread sounds to me like an attempt to get people talking about perfidious Jews pulling strings behind the scenes. Pretty good deployment of classic antisemitism. I applaud OP for her skill as a propagandist.

I don’t understand anyone who splits hairs. Hamas are savages. Free Palestine FROM HAMAS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There has been a group of celebrities that wrote a letter to Biden asking for a ceasefire-it was signed by Susan Sarandon, Mark Ruffalo, Hasan Minaj, and bunch of others but those are the most popular names. I saw it on Hasan Minajs Instagram. Instagram has been censoring a lot of pro Palestine content and took down eye.on.Palestine just the other day.

Very very few celebrities have dared to take a stand supporting Israel as well. Notable exceptions have been Holly Williams, Paige DeSorbo, Craig Conover, and Nancy Travis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When calling for killing to stop (ie a ceasefire) is labelled antisemitism, it makes me think those people have no perspective.

When noting that Pro - Palestinians protests are calling for annihilation of Israel (as a PP above did) without noting that the land Israel sits on was once homes of Palestinians (Jews and Muslims and Christians), it makes me think those people are willfully blind to history.

When people discuss Jewish hate crimes without understanding that Palestinians and others from the Middle East are fearful for reporting anti Muslim hate crimes due to the way they were treated after 911, it makes me think they need to open their hearts to understanding.

This is a horrific situation for all.

Calling for a ceasefire means Israel stop firing. Hamas will not comply and will take advantage of the situation. The only way there is a ceasefire is to return all the hostages and surrender.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I cannot fathom what OP is talking about. The large pro-Palestinian protests where I live (deep blue urban) have had signs and chants calling for the destruction of all Jews. Like not lefty “no justice no peace” but full-on destroy the Jews type stuff.

Seriously I cannot imagine a world where the Palestinian cause has *more* lack of censorship. I’m completely puzzled as to what OP is talking about.

There are many people protesting for Palestine who are not also calling for destruction of all Jews. Rational and decent people oppose the kind of blatant antisemitism perpetrated by those carrying those signs. But that is not everyone protesting in support of or voicing concern for Palestinian *civilians*.

Your post kind of makes the point right there with your suggestion that everyone at these protests supports that disgusting and radical way of thinking.

That’s the problem. People are armchair quarterbacking, scratching their chins and getting philosophical without understanding the mind of the Hamas savage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. I cannot fathom what OP is talking about. The large pro-Palestinian protests where I live (deep blue urban) have had signs and chants calling for the destruction of all Jews. Like not lefty “no justice no peace” but full-on destroy the Jews type stuff.

Seriously I cannot imagine a world where the Palestinian cause has *more* lack of censorship. I’m completely puzzled as to what OP is talking about.

There are many people protesting for Palestine who are not also calling for destruction of all Jews. Rational and decent people oppose the kind of blatant antisemitism perpetrated by those carrying those signs. But that is not everyone protesting in support of or voicing concern for Palestinian *civilians*.

Your post kind of makes the point right there with your suggestion that everyone at these protests supports that disgusting and radical way of thinking.

By not silencing their fellow protestors they are condoning the messages of destruction and hate. They should be deplatformed, and yet we keep hearing the chants and calls. Clearly, the Pro Palestinian protesters don't care enough to stop it.

The trapping of Jewish students in the campus library, while pro-Palestinians banged on the door trying to get in, was ‘game over’ for me. Sorry, not in America. I expect those students trying to get to the Jewish kids to be thrown out of school. If they are here on student visas, revoke them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. I cannot fathom what OP is talking about. The large pro-Palestinian protests where I live (deep blue urban) have had signs and chants calling for the destruction of all Jews. Like not lefty “no justice no peace” but full-on destroy the Jews type stuff.

Seriously I cannot imagine a world where the Palestinian cause has *more* lack of censorship. I’m completely puzzled as to what OP is talking about.

There are many people protesting for Palestine who are not also calling for destruction of all Jews. Rational and decent people oppose the kind of blatant antisemitism perpetrated by those carrying those signs. But that is not everyone protesting in support of or voicing concern for Palestinian *civilians*.

Your post kind of makes the point right there with your suggestion that everyone at these protests supports that disgusting and radical way of thinking.

By not silencing their fellow protestors they are condoning the messages of destruction and hate. They should be deplatformed, and yet we keep hearing the chants and calls. Clearly, the Pro Palestinian protesters don't care enough to stop it.

The trapping of Jewish students in the campus library, while pro-Palestinians banged on the door trying to get in, was ‘game over’ for me. Sorry, not in America. I expect those students trying to get to the Jewish kids to be thrown out of school. If they are here on student visas, revoke them.

This. Throw the students out of college who threaten to kill Jewish students. Revoke the visas. Arrest students threatening to kill Jewish students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. I cannot fathom what OP is talking about. The large pro-Palestinian protests where I live (deep blue urban) have had signs and chants calling for the destruction of all Jews. Like not lefty “no justice no peace” but full-on destroy the Jews type stuff.

Seriously I cannot imagine a world where the Palestinian cause has *more* lack of censorship. I’m completely puzzled as to what OP is talking about.

There are many people protesting for Palestine who are not also calling for destruction of all Jews. Rational and decent people oppose the kind of blatant antisemitism perpetrated by those carrying those signs. But that is not everyone protesting in support of or voicing concern for Palestinian *civilians*.

Your post kind of makes the point right there with your suggestion that everyone at these protests supports that disgusting and radical way of thinking.

By not silencing their fellow protestors they are condoning the messages of destruction and hate. They should be deplatformed, and yet we keep hearing the chants and calls. Clearly, the Pro Palestinian protesters don't care enough to stop it.

The trapping of Jewish students in the campus library, while pro-Palestinians banged on the door trying to get in, was ‘game over’ for me. Sorry, not in America. I expect those students trying to get to the Jewish kids to be thrown out of school. If they are here on student visas, revoke them.

This. Throw the students out of college who threaten to kill Jewish students. Revoke the visas. Arrest students threatening to kill Jewish students.

I don’t even know why this is a question. Where is the FBI? Chasing MAGAs. Is it any wonder that gunman in ME was able to do what he did? He literally told medical personnel that he was hearing voices telling him to commit a mass killing and they all but ignored it. He was begging for help.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I cannot fathom what OP is talking about. The large pro-Palestinian protests where I live (deep blue urban) have had signs and chants calling for the destruction of all Jews. Like not lefty “no justice no peace” but full-on destroy the Jews type stuff.

Seriously I cannot imagine a world where the Palestinian cause has *more* lack of censorship. I’m completely puzzled as to what OP is talking about.

+1
My Israeli friends are afraid of flying the flag of Israel. I have not seen any Israeli flags in our progressive neighborhood. None.
Israel went through a major tragedy, it was attacked with unimaginable cruelty, and instead of showing support, the public is victim blaming and supporting the country where terrorists came from.

And my Muslim friends (including ones who are not Palestinian) are afraid of talking over the phone about how the conflict is impacting them and their families because they are afraid law enforcement are monitoring their conversations. They think that just expressing sadness for the Palestinians killed in this conflict might be enough for the FBI to come knocking on their doors. They are truly afraid.

In our progressive town there are lawn signs in support of Israel. And “kidnapped” signs hung up in public spaces. Zero sign of Palestinian support (and Palestinian support does not equal support of the Hamas attacks)

This situation is sad for everyone. 5x the number of Israelis. Support for a ceasefire does NOT equal antisemitism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. I cannot fathom what OP is talking about. The large pro-Palestinian protests where I live (deep blue urban) have had signs and chants calling for the destruction of all Jews. Like not lefty “no justice no peace” but full-on destroy the Jews type stuff.

Seriously I cannot imagine a world where the Palestinian cause has *more* lack of censorship. I’m completely puzzled as to what OP is talking about.

+1
My Israeli friends are afraid of flying the flag of Israel. I have not seen any Israeli flags in our progressive neighborhood. None.
Israel went through a major tragedy, it was attacked with unimaginable cruelty, and instead of showing support, the public is victim blaming and supporting the country where terrorists came from.

And my Muslim friends (including ones who are not Palestinian) are afraid of talking over the phone about how the conflict is impacting them and their families because they are afraid law enforcement are monitoring their conversations. They think that just expressing sadness for the Palestinians killed in this conflict might be enough for the FBI to come knocking on their doors. They are truly afraid.

In our progressive town there are lawn signs in support of Israel. And “kidnapped” signs hung up in public spaces. Zero sign of Palestinian support (and Palestinian support does not equal support of the Hamas attacks)

This situation is sad for everyone. 5x the number of Israelis. Support for a ceasefire does NOT equal antisemitism.

The victims of the terrorist attack are peaceful Israelis, that's why there are kidnapped signs. This is not an an equal situation where you support both sides. I am appalled that it's not being acknowledged and that Jewish people have to push for this barbaric act to be recognized. Where are the condolences from the Palestinian diaspora? I'd be more willing to hear the other side if they stated that killing and kidnapping babies is wrong.