Censoring pro-palestine speech

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does it seem like any statement or support for Palestine is now considered anti-semetic? It should be okay to say that I support the people of Israel after the horrific acts of terrorism but I do not support the corrupt ultra-right government of Israel. I detest Hamas but support the civilians of Palestine particularly all the innocent children trapped there. This past week a group of parents at my friends objected to the annual trick or treat for UNICEF because some of the proceeds would be used to help children in Palestine. This seems insane to me, it seems like any expression of support for Palestine is now considered unacceptable in the workplace, on social media, or at school. I find this completely out of line as a proponent of free speech. It seems like a dangerous slope that we are treading down.

I don't know anyone who would object to what you posted.

But that's NOT at all what most of the "pro-Palestinian" posters, groups, or people are saying.

The messaging has been:

1. Terrorist attack was Israel's fault. (Harvard)
2. Yay, Hamas! (Cornell professor)
3. Free Palestine! (with no mention of the Hamas attack, and no mention of what happens to Israel)
4. Jews are war criminals/running concentration camps, etc. (note "Jews", note no mention of Hamas, prior aggression towards Israel, etc.).

Ask Jeff how many posts he's had to delete from the 900 page thread on this. I guarantee you that the number is exceptionally high, and I'd guess that the vast majority have been removed for anti-Semitism.

There's plenty of room for nuanced, balanced, compassionate dialogue here. We're just not seeing much of it from the "pro-Palestinian" side.

Agree with this.

[Anonymous]

How is anyone surprised by this? Any objection / question in politics is shutdown these days. There is no seek to understand first.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does it seem like any statement or support for Palestine is now considered anti-semetic? It should be okay to say that I support the people of Israel after the horrific acts of terrorism but I do not support the corrupt ultra-right government of Israel. I detest Hamas but support the civilians of Palestine particularly all the innocent children trapped there. This past week a group of parents at my friends objected to the annual trick or treat for UNICEF because some of the proceeds would be used to help children in Palestine. This seems insane to me, it seems like any expression of support for Palestine is now considered unacceptable in the workplace, on social media, or at school. I find this completely out of line as a proponent of free speech. It seems like a dangerous slope that we are treading down.

I don't know anyone who would object to what you posted.

But that's NOT at all what most of the "pro-Palestinian" posters, groups, or people are saying.

The messaging has been:

1. Terrorist attack was Israel's fault. (Harvard)
2. Yay, Hamas! (Cornell professor)
3. Free Palestine! (with no mention of the Hamas attack, and no mention of what happens to Israel)
4. Jews are war criminals/running concentration camps, etc. (note "Jews", note no mention of Hamas, prior aggression towards Israel, etc.).

Ask Jeff how many posts he's had to delete from the 900 page thread on this. I guarantee you that the number is exceptionally high, and I'd guess that the vast majority have been removed for anti-Semitism.

There's plenty of room for nuanced, balanced, compassionate dialogue here. We're just not seeing much of it from the "pro-Palestinian" side.

Agree with this.

So you agree with an absolute lie. So Harvard itself put out that statement at 1? No. And you both are totally aware of that.

[Anonymous]

Another example is the UN Secretary General. He said the Hamas attacks didn't happen in a vacuum, which is stating the obvious. Israel wants to SecGen to resign and plans to deny UN representatives visas into Israel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How is anyone surprised by this? Any objection / question in politics is shutdown these days. There is no seek to understand first.

The difference is the stranglehold AIPAC has on our politics. It’s deranged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Another example is the UN Secretary General. He said the Hamas attacks didn't happen in a vacuum, which is stating the obvious. Israel wants to SecGen to resign and plans to deny UN representatives visas into Israel.

This! The Israeli representatives lost it and started attacking immediately. Totally normal! Totally normal for the rabid pro-Israelis to slur the UN, all NGOs, all press excepting Times of Israel, Jerusalem Post, NY Post (not so fast, Haaretz). It’s all disturbing and evidences a seriously successful long-term campaign.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why does it seem like any statement or support for Palestine is now considered anti-semetic? It should be okay to say that I support the people of Israel after the horrific acts of terrorism but I do not support the corrupt ultra-right government of Israel. I detest Hamas but support the civilians of Palestine particularly all the innocent children trapped there. This past week a group of parents at my friends objected to the annual trick or treat for UNICEF because some of the proceeds would be used to help children in Palestine. This seems insane to me, it seems like any expression of support for Palestine is now considered unacceptable in the workplace, on social media, or at school. I find this completely out of line as a proponent of free speech. It seems like a dangerous slope that we are treading down.

It’s too funny how the left is finally paying attention to speech issues now that impacts them personally.

To quote a leftist talking point: freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from consequences. No parent is forced to support Palestinian causes and it is their right to abstain from the trick or treat.

I personally agree with you that this cancel culture is ridiculous. I just find the hypocrisy on the left too much to take. How would you feel about a trick or treat that supports Israeli causes? Would you really be posting this if that parents were boycotting that instead? I doubt it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does it seem like any statement or support for Palestine is now considered anti-semetic? It should be okay to say that I support the people of Israel after the horrific acts of terrorism but I do not support the corrupt ultra-right government of Israel. I detest Hamas but support the civilians of Palestine particularly all the innocent children trapped there. This past week a group of parents at my friends objected to the annual trick or treat for UNICEF because some of the proceeds would be used to help children in Palestine. This seems insane to me, it seems like any expression of support for Palestine is now considered unacceptable in the workplace, on social media, or at school. I find this completely out of line as a proponent of free speech. It seems like a dangerous slope that we are treading down.

I don't know anyone who would object to what you posted.

But that's NOT at all what most of the "pro-Palestinian" posters, groups, or people are saying.

The messaging has been:

1. Terrorist attack was Israel's fault. (Harvard)
2. Yay, Hamas! (Cornell professor)
3. Free Palestine! (with no mention of the Hamas attack, and no mention of what happens to Israel)
4. Jews are war criminals/running concentration camps, etc. (note "Jews", note no mention of Hamas, prior aggression towards Israel, etc.).

Ask Jeff how many posts he's had to delete from the 900 page thread on this. I guarantee you that the number is exceptionally high, and I'd guess that the vast majority have been removed for anti-Semitism.

There's plenty of room for nuanced, balanced, compassionate dialogue here. We're just not seeing much of it from the "pro-Palestinian" side.

Agree with this.

So you agree with an absolute lie. So Harvard itself put out that statement at 1? No. And you both are totally aware of that.

I'm the poster who made the list and I absolutely did NOT intend to suggest that Harvard itself put out that statement.

I just included "Harvard" so people would know that it wasn't a hypothetical example.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does it seem like any statement or support for Palestine is now considered anti-semetic? It should be okay to say that I support the people of Israel after the horrific acts of terrorism but I do not support the corrupt ultra-right government of Israel. I detest Hamas but support the civilians of Palestine particularly all the innocent children trapped there. This past week a group of parents at my friends objected to the annual trick or treat for UNICEF because some of the proceeds would be used to help children in Palestine. This seems insane to me, it seems like any expression of support for Palestine is now considered unacceptable in the workplace, on social media, or at school. I find this completely out of line as a proponent of free speech. It seems like a dangerous slope that we are treading down.

It’s too funny how the left is finally paying attention to speech issues now that impacts them personally.

To quote a leftist talking point: freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from consequences. No parent is forced to support Palestinian causes and it is their right to abstain from the trick or treat.

I personally agree with you that this cancel culture is ridiculous. I just find the hypocrisy on the left too much to take. How would you feel about a trick or treat that supports Israeli causes? Would you really be posting this if that parents were boycotting that instead? I doubt it.

UNICEF supports all kids across the world and the collection has been a part of American culture for 50 g.d. years. Maybe come back with an actual analogue next time before you start throwing stones.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If there is an effort to censor pro Palestinian support, it’s going VERY poorly.

If by censor, you mean condemn students ripping down posters of kidnapped Israelis (among them 30+ children and infants) or call out violent protestors spewing profanity or praising terrorists, that’s a different story- and there has been very little of that.

Thank you for your sanity. This thread sounds to me like an attempt to get people talking about perfidious Jews pulling strings behind the scenes. Pretty good deployment of classic antisemitism. I applaud OP for her skill as a propagandist.

[Anonymous]

If you can censor people for saying masks don't work, you can also censor them for supporting the goals of a government whose expressed goals are genocide against Jews and Americans. Seems only fair.

[Anonymous]

You will not be censored here. Any anti Israel propaganda is welcomed on this forum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You will not be censored here. Any anti Israel propaganda is welcomed on this forum.

Accurate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How is anyone surprised by this? Any objection / question in politics is shutdown these days. There is no seek to understand first.

The difference is the stranglehold AIPAC has on our politics. It’s deranged.

AIPAC is so 20 years ago.

[Anonymous]

Censorship? I mean, Israel critics have the UN, virtually all international media, most countries, most US newspapers, most celebrities, and a privileged, coddled position at most colleges.