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10/27/2023 17:55

Subject: Censoring pro-palestine speech

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Anonymous wrote:When calling for killing to stop (ie a ceasefire) is labelled antisemitism, it makes me think those people have no perspective.

When noting that Pro - Palestinians protests are calling for annihilation of Israel (as a PP above did) without noting that the land Israel sits on was once homes of Palestinians (Jews and Muslims and Christians), it makes me think those people are willfully blind to history.

When people discuss Jewish hate crimes without understanding that Palestinians and others from the Middle East are fearful for reporting anti Muslim hate crimes due to the way they were treated after 911, it makes me think they need to open their hearts to understanding.

This is a horrific situation for all.

Or maybe you're willfully blind to history? Palestine is the ancestral homeland of the Jews and archeological evidence supports it - not just the Old Testament that both Christians and Muslims base their faith on.

I am not willfully blind but perhaps there are gaps in my knowledge and I'd love to be educated - feel free to fill me in. From what I know, Judaism as a religion came first. And in ancient times Jewish people lived in the land that forms Israel today. But those same people who were Jewish, had children. And those children had children. At some point in history some of these children started following Jesus (maybe mostly forcibly converted during the Crusades). Other of these children became Muslim following Muhammad (am sure there was also force at work here at times too). And some kept with the older faith (remaining Jewish). Some left the region (likely often because of persecution and purges from the religion in power). Some stayed. But at the point in history when Zionism emerged (and energized by atrocities in Europe) those that stayed were mostly Muslim. It's not that the Palestinians came from another part of the world - they were the ones that stayed. Aren't these facts? If not, what am I missing or is not true?

My point above was that at times Christians, Muslims, and Jews coexisted in peace. See: https://www.972mag.com/before-zionism-the-shared-life-of-jews-and-palestinians/ . Isn't this ultimately the aim now? Is there a different outcome that you seek? Israel can kill most all of the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank, but they can't kill all Muslims in the region so what is the end game if not peace?

This is very wrong.

Jewish identity started out as an ethnicity. We had a Kingdom of Judea and Israel. We tended to practice Judaism, but we were primarily an ethnic group.

We had a temple, which is where a mosque is now in Jerusalem.

The Romans came in and conquered those kingdoms, which led to many of us being expelled from the region. You know what happened to Jews in Europe, I assume.

However, some of us stayed. Muslims began populating the region as Islam became a religion.

We tried to go back many times, but were rebuffed by the Romans, then the Ottomans. Then it started getting easier when the British Mandatory Palestine.

Jewish emigration started more in earnest in the late 1800s and early 1900s. There were a bunch of Arab massacres of the Jews who tried to join our Mizrahi brothers and sisters in Mandatory Palestine. By 1945, 500,000 of us lived there and 1,000,000 Muslims did.

After WWII, Jews were stateless. We went to Mandatory Palestine to try to finally return to our homeland.

The UN proposed a partition plan that would have established Arab and Jewish states. The Jews accepted it, but the Arab League did not and declared war.

I could go on, but those are the basics.

As to your claim of children being Christian and Muslim: with some exceptions, no. Jews have been exceptionally insular.