Censoring pro-palestine speech

[Anonymous]

Why does it seem like any statement or support for Palestine is now considered anti-semetic? It should be okay to say that I support the people of Israel after the horrific acts of terrorism but I do not support the corrupt ultra-right government of Israel. I detest Hamas but support the civilians of Palestine particularly all the innocent children trapped there. This past week a group of parents at my friends objected to the annual trick or treat for UNICEF because some of the proceeds would be used to help children in Palestine. This seems insane to me, it seems like any expression of support for Palestine is now considered unacceptable in the workplace, on social media, or at school. I find this completely out of line as a proponent of free speech. It seems like a dangerous slope that we are treading down.

[Anonymous]

Because AIPAC is very good at its job

[Anonymous]

Desperation to control the narrative when your actions are so brutal and clear for all to see that propaganda just doesn’t cut it anymore.

[Anonymous]

I totally agree with the first poster. It is insane. And yes, I condemn any killing of civilians by Hamas and well as the humanitarian atrocities in Gaza.

Israel is spending a lot of time and effort to try and win the information war and the hearts and minds of the West. Europe's largest news aggregator ordered editors to play down Palestinian deaths (check out the Intercept for the article). I know Israel is also spending a lot of money on youtube ads talking about those kidnapped.

They have the money and time to do so unlike the Palestinian reporters on the ground in Gaza that are being bombed (or their families - like the Al-Jazeera bureau chief).

[Anonymous]

I mentioned this in a previous thread but check out the Canary Mission. The religious Right (in the US) is behind it. It pretty much shames anyone who supports Palestine. This includes peaceful protests like boycotts, Jewish Voices for Peace, etc). People on this list lose their jobs or have job offers rescinded. It is insane that Israel can dominate how the US thinks and speaks with that.

[Anonymous]

If there is an effort to censor pro Palestinian support, it’s going VERY poorly.

If by censor, you mean condemn students ripping down posters of kidnapped Israelis (among them 30+ children and infants) or call out violent protestors spewing profanity or praising terrorists, that’s a different story- and there has been very little of that.

[Anonymous]

Also, pro Palestinian supporters can’t seem to keep out the violent, rabid protestors, or the extremists chanting “death to Jews” and “from the river to the sea,” which calls for Israel’s complete annihilation.

If you support that, you are supporting dismantling an entire state in favor of a Palestinian one. That is very different than advocating for a rational two state solution. If you are advocating for the former, it is a detestable position (worse than Israeli settlers in the West Bank, for example). It’s not censored and there are too many anti semitic people and moronic progressives who angrily advocate for this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also, pro Palestinian supporters can’t seem to keep out the violent, rabid protestors, or the extremists chanting “death to Jews” and “from the river to the sea,” which calls for Israel’s complete annihilation.

If you support that, you are supporting dismantling an entire state in favor of a Palestinian one. That is very different than advocating for a rational two state solution. If you are advocating for the former, it is a detestable position (worse than Israeli settlers in the West Bank, for example). It’s not censored and there are too many anti semitic people and moronic progressives who angrily advocate for this.

This is it, exactly

[Anonymous]

The effort is so massive that Secretary Blinken asked Qatar to censor Al Jazeera.

[Anonymous]

Yes I’ve seen it too. At times it’s ridiculous - any effort to help Palestinian KIDS is claimed to be antisemitic.
I was always very sympathetic towards Israel but this whole “we will out and cancel those who don’t support us the way we want” is outright dangerous! It’s a witch hunt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also, pro Palestinian supporters can’t seem to keep out the violent, rabid protestors, or the extremists chanting “death to Jews” and “from the river to the sea,” which calls for Israel’s complete annihilation.

If you support that, you are supporting dismantling an entire state in favor of a Palestinian one. That is very different than advocating for a rational two state solution. If you are advocating for the former, it is a detestable position (worse than Israeli settlers in the West Bank, for example). It’s not censored and there are too many anti semitic people and moronic progressives who angrily advocate for this.

THIS.

Where I live, many of the pro-Palestine protests unfortunately attract people carrying the IS flag or screaming about killing Jews. My circle is made up of people who refer to themselves as "sane, GenX progressives" and they won't attend these events, in part for their own self-preservation. They do not want to be photographed along terrorist sympathizers and anti-semites. And they don't want to add numbers to a protest that includes people like this. They've been donating to organizations that assist Palestinians in Gaza instead. It's really not as complicated as people pretend it is.
"Peace now" is a far cry from "gas the Jews".

[Anonymous]

I understand what you are saying about the nutso people who want to kill Jews (or anyone) but there has to be a middle ground. People should be allowed to criticize the actions of the Government of Israel (not Jews but the government killing thousands on civilians in Gaza) and support the plight of the Palestinian people without being cancelled by the Israeli lobby.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why does it seem like any statement or support for Palestine is now considered anti-semetic? It should be okay to say that I support the people of Israel after the horrific acts of terrorism but I do not support the corrupt ultra-right government of Israel. I detest Hamas but support the civilians of Palestine particularly all the innocent children trapped there. This past week a group of parents at my friends objected to the annual trick or treat for UNICEF because some of the proceeds would be used to help children in Palestine. This seems insane to me, it seems like any expression of support for Palestine is now considered unacceptable in the workplace, on social media, or at school. I find this completely out of line as a proponent of free speech. It seems like a dangerous slope that we are treading down.

I don't know anyone who would object to what you posted.

But that's NOT at all what most of the "pro-Palestinian" posters, groups, or people are saying.

The messaging has been:

1. Terrorist attack was Israel's fault. (Harvard)
2. Yay, Hamas! (Cornell professor)
3. Free Palestine! (with no mention of the Hamas attack, and no mention of what happens to Israel)
4. Jews are war criminals/running concentration camps, etc. (note "Jews", note no mention of Hamas, prior aggression towards Israel, etc.).

Ask Jeff how many posts he's had to delete from the 900 page thread on this. I guarantee you that the number is exceptionally high, and I'd guess that the vast majority have been removed for anti-Semitism.

There's plenty of room for nuanced, balanced, compassionate dialogue here. We're just not seeing much of it from the "pro-Palestinian" side.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does it seem like any statement or support for Palestine is now considered anti-semetic? It should be okay to say that I support the people of Israel after the horrific acts of terrorism but I do not support the corrupt ultra-right government of Israel. I detest Hamas but support the civilians of Palestine particularly all the innocent children trapped there. This past week a group of parents at my friends objected to the annual trick or treat for UNICEF because some of the proceeds would be used to help children in Palestine. This seems insane to me, it seems like any expression of support for Palestine is now considered unacceptable in the workplace, on social media, or at school. I find this completely out of line as a proponent of free speech. It seems like a dangerous slope that we are treading down.

I don't know anyone who would object to what you posted.

But that's NOT at all what most of the "pro-Palestinian" posters, groups, or people are saying.

The messaging has been:

1. Terrorist attack was Israel's fault. (Harvard)
2. Yay, Hamas! (Cornell professor)
3. Free Palestine! (with no mention of the Hamas attack, and no mention of what happens to Israel)
4. Jews are war criminals/running concentration camps, etc. (note "Jews", note no mention of Hamas, prior aggression towards Israel, etc.).

Ask Jeff how many posts he's had to delete from the 900 page thread on this. I guarantee you that the number is exceptionally high, and I'd guess that the vast majority have been removed for anti-Semitism.

There's plenty of room for nuanced, balanced, compassionate dialogue here. We're just not seeing much of it from the "pro-Palestinian" side.

One of my posts was removed that was not antisemetic at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I mentioned this in a previous thread but check out the Canary Mission. The religious Right (in the US) is behind it. It pretty much shames anyone who supports Palestine. This includes peaceful protests like boycotts, Jewish Voices for Peace, etc). People on this list lose their jobs or have job offers rescinded. It is insane that Israel can dominate how the US thinks and speaks with that.

Vice News did a very interesting segment over 5 years ago about why evangelical Christians loved Israel and how that plays into American politics. The video is about 10 minutes long, but it is fascinating (at least to me) how much the religious right controls this narrative. Essentially evangelical Christians are waiting for the second coming of Christ and in order for that to happen, Israel must control ALL of the territory, there will be armageddon, and Jesus will save his followers. They want this to happen, it's like the core of their beliefs and what they are working for. SO, in order to get to that, they want whatever it takes for Israel to get there, and that includes throwing all that evangelical Christian money (which is a lot) behind anything pro-Israel.

They are a HUGE voting block, with a lot more money, and in numbers that far exceed those of the Jewish population of the US. The strongest pro-israel lobby in the US, consists of Evangellcal Christians. They vote, they pay, and they have everyone's attention (including Trump, Biden, etc.).

https://youtu.be/Fo77sTGpngQ?si=Dsvc6kCSyAqiGYWF