Help settle a debate about saying grace

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Anonymous wrote:I'm an atheist. If someone invited to dinner wants to say a quick prayer before their meal, they are welcome to. I would appreciate a heads up, so that I can let everyone know that Suzy would like to say a prayer, and could we all be quiet before starting dinner. If out at a restaurant, I would refrain from eating while they said their prayer.

This is not onerous. I don't see what the problem is with letting someone go ahead with their prayer. It's not like it's harming anyone.

So the people of different beliefs should not be respected? Why can’t the person with the belief pray quietly, and be thankful to their God quietly? Then everybody can deal with it on their own terms in accordance with their own beliefs.

I mean this example in a public place with a mixed group, not in a private home.

Atheist PP. I don't see how it is disrespectful to people of different beliefs to allow one or more people in a group to say grace. I would be equally open to any other prayer; it doesn't require participation, just not being rude.

Great idea! So then the atheist can say "well there is no evidence of a god, but man do those jalepeno poppers look good, I am eager to eat them!" That should not offend anyone, right?

The majority of prominent conceptions of God explicitly or effectively posit a being whose existence is not testable either by proof or disproof. Therefore, the question of God's existence may lie outside the purview of modern science by definition.

Why would you bring up something at a meal with friends that illustrates how dumb you are?

Someone who does not believe in a god is dumb?

Also, where do you see the word "proof" in the post you are replying to?

Here's the answer: you don't! You are being dishonest and straw-man-ing.

You are advertising your ignorance regarding this subject. I would tell you that you should not do so, but I don’t think you have to worry about being invited to meals with friends very often, if ever.

Your insult is a tacit admission that you have no substantive response. Please try and engage fairly and with substance.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm an atheist. If someone invited to dinner wants to say a quick prayer before their meal, they are welcome to. I would appreciate a heads up, so that I can let everyone know that Suzy would like to say a prayer, and could we all be quiet before starting dinner. If out at a restaurant, I would refrain from eating while they said their prayer.

This is not onerous. I don't see what the problem is with letting someone go ahead with their prayer. It's not like it's harming anyone.

So the people of different beliefs should not be respected? Why can’t the person with the belief pray quietly, and be thankful to their God quietly? Then everybody can deal with it on their own terms in accordance with their own beliefs.

I mean this example in a public place with a mixed group, not in a private home.

Atheist PP. I don't see how it is disrespectful to people of different beliefs to allow one or more people in a group to say grace. I would be equally open to any other prayer; it doesn't require participation, just not being rude.

Great idea! So then the atheist can say "well there is no evidence of a god, but man do those jalepeno poppers look good, I am eager to eat them!" That should not offend anyone, right?

The majority of prominent conceptions of God explicitly or effectively posit a being whose existence is not testable either by proof or disproof. Therefore, the question of God's existence may lie outside the purview of modern science by definition.

Why would you bring up something at a meal with friends that illustrates how dumb you are?

Someone who does not believe in a god is dumb?

Also, where do you see the word "proof" in the post you are replying to?

Here's the answer: you don't! You are being dishonest and straw-man-ing.

You are advertising your ignorance regarding this subject. I would tell you that you should not do so, but I don’t think you have to worry about being invited to meals with friends very often, if ever.

Can you guys knock off the bickering and insults? This isn't a question about whether god exists.

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Yes, and atheist pp just had to post a comment stating how there is no evidence for God. They started the bs and honestly it’s uncalled for.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm an atheist. If someone invited to dinner wants to say a quick prayer before their meal, they are welcome to. I would appreciate a heads up, so that I can let everyone know that Suzy would like to say a prayer, and could we all be quiet before starting dinner. If out at a restaurant, I would refrain from eating while they said their prayer.

This is not onerous. I don't see what the problem is with letting someone go ahead with their prayer. It's not like it's harming anyone.

So the people of different beliefs should not be respected? Why can’t the person with the belief pray quietly, and be thankful to their God quietly? Then everybody can deal with it on their own terms in accordance with their own beliefs.

I mean this example in a public place with a mixed group, not in a private home.

Atheist PP. I don't see how it is disrespectful to people of different beliefs to allow one or more people in a group to say grace. I would be equally open to any other prayer; it doesn't require participation, just not being rude.

Great idea! So then the atheist can say "well there is no evidence of a god, but man do those jalepeno poppers look good, I am eager to eat them!" That should not offend anyone, right?

The majority of prominent conceptions of God explicitly or effectively posit a being whose existence is not testable either by proof or disproof. Therefore, the question of God's existence may lie outside the purview of modern science by definition.

Why would you bring up something at a meal with friends that illustrates how dumb you are?

Someone who does not believe in a god is dumb?

Also, where do you see the word "proof" in the post you are replying to?

Here's the answer: you don't! You are being dishonest and straw-man-ing.

You are advertising your ignorance regarding this subject. I would tell you that you should not do so, but I don’t think you have to worry about being invited to meals with friends very often, if ever.

Your insult is a tacit admission that you have no substantive response. Please try and engage fairly and with substance.

Why do atheists have to start arguing about whether God exists or not IN EVERY THREAD?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When I invite people I care about to enjoy a meal with me at my home or a restaurant, I want them to be comfortable and I want to enjoy time in their presence.

At home, being a host isn’t about the host imposing their rules on their guests. The host is supposed to accommodate their guests.

I don’t tell anyone what they can or cannot do in regards to their beliefs. If I invited a vegan to my home, am I going to insist that they eat meat because I do and my wishes are running the get together, because I am the host? No, I accommodate my guest by serving vegan dishes, because I invited my vegan guest to dinner. When I invite someone to my house, I am making a huge effort to provide them with a nice memory.

I consider it a privilege for my friends to feel comfortable around me and to live their lives authentically.

If I care about someone enough to schedule a meal with them as a pleasant activity, the last thing I am going to do is stress out over prayer and who tells who what to do, etc.
You are going to make a big deal and ruin a get together over something that isn’t a big deal? Somehow I don’t think people who would do this really respect or care about their friends or family.

And remember: the host accommodates the guests, not the other way around.

Disagree in these circumstances

If you personally as a host want to accommodate your vegan guests by planning a vegan centric menu then that’s great for you. Nevertheless if a vegan is invited to a dinner as one of a larger group it’s just plain rude for them to expect/request the host prepare a vegan-centric meal or to make a big show over their diet restrictions during the meal. The same principle is true for an invited dinner guest expecting everyone to accommodate them in observing a collective prayer before a meal rather than just discretely saying a silent prayer themselves.

On the flip side, as a vegan hosting a meal you shouldn’t be expected to prepare meat dishes for your carnivore loving friends and should feel free to serve them a meal adapted to your diet, just as you should be free to continue to observe a tradition of saying a collective grace before a meal in your own home even if guests are present m.

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We had Christian friends that would occasionally join us for dinner at our home. I loved spending money and hours cooking an elaborate meal and then sitting there while they thanked Jesus for the meal. THAT felt disrespectful

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You don't have to respect their beliefs, but there is no way to respectfully ask people to refrain from praying. They will be offended. There's a big difference between not being religious and being so offended by other people's religion that you fee compelled to prevent them from practicing it in your presence.

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Anonymous wrote:We had Christian friends that would occasionally join us for dinner at our home. I loved spending money and hours cooking an elaborate meal and then sitting there while they thanked Jesus for the meal. THAT felt disrespectful

Christians who pray and thank God before eating, do so even when they buy and prepare the food.

If you don’t respect your friend’s religious beliefs- you aren’t friends.

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Anonymous wrote:We had Christian friends that would occasionally join us for dinner at our home. I loved spending money and hours cooking an elaborate meal and then sitting there while they thanked Jesus for the meal. THAT felt disrespectful

"God, we pay for all of this ourselves so thanks for nothing"

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Anonymous wrote:We had Christian friends that would occasionally join us for dinner at our home. I loved spending money and hours cooking an elaborate meal and then sitting there while they thanked Jesus for the meal. THAT felt disrespectful

"God, we pay for all of this ourselves so thanks for nothing"

Pp said her Christian friends thanked Jesus for the meal- Christians say grace before a meal and pray to God, not Jesus.

I’ve never heard a Christian pray to Jesus at a meal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You don't have to respect their beliefs, but there is no way to respectfully ask people to refrain from praying. They will be offended. There's a big difference between not being religious and being so offended by other people's religion that you fee compelled to prevent them from practicing it in your presence.

Ok but is it alright to begin eating while they spend their time in prayer?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm an atheist. If someone invited to dinner wants to say a quick prayer before their meal, they are welcome to. I would appreciate a heads up, so that I can let everyone know that Suzy would like to say a prayer, and could we all be quiet before starting dinner. If out at a restaurant, I would refrain from eating while they said their prayer.

This is not onerous. I don't see what the problem is with letting someone go ahead with their prayer. It's not like it's harming anyone.

So the people of different beliefs should not be respected? Why can’t the person with the belief pray quietly, and be thankful to their God quietly? Then everybody can deal with it on their own terms in accordance with their own beliefs.

I mean this example in a public place with a mixed group, not in a private home.

Atheist PP. I don't see how it is disrespectful to people of different beliefs to allow one or more people in a group to say grace. I would be equally open to any other prayer; it doesn't require participation, just not being rude.

Great idea! So then the atheist can say "well there is no evidence of a god, but man do those jalepeno poppers look good, I am eager to eat them!" That should not offend anyone, right?

The majority of prominent conceptions of God explicitly or effectively posit a being whose existence is not testable either by proof or disproof. Therefore, the question of God's existence may lie outside the purview of modern science by definition.

Why would you bring up something at a meal with friends that illustrates how dumb you are?

Someone who does not believe in a god is dumb?

Also, where do you see the word "proof" in the post you are replying to?

Here's the answer: you don't! You are being dishonest and straw-man-ing.

You are advertising your ignorance regarding this subject. I would tell you that you should not do so, but I don’t think you have to worry about being invited to meals with friends very often, if ever.

Your insult is a tacit admission that you have no substantive response. Please try and engage fairly and with substance.

Why do atheists have to start arguing about whether God exists or not IN EVERY THREAD?

Go back and read the thread above. The first person to bring up existence/proof was a theist. All the atheists were talking about their belief.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You don't have to respect their beliefs, but there is no way to respectfully ask people to refrain from praying. They will be offended. There's a big difference between not being religious and being so offended by other people's religion that you fee compelled to prevent them from practicing it in your presence.

Ok but is it alright to begin eating while they spend their time in prayer?

How long do the Christians you eat with pray before meals?

If a Muslim, Buddhist, or Hindu was praying before a meal, would you start slamming food down your throat like a MY 600 lb life patient during their prayer? I personally would allow the Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, or Christian to finish their prayer before eating as a mark of respect to my friends, not their religion.

But by all means, start cramming your mouth full of food asap. It’s your absolute best choice to show what a pleasant and open minded and accepting person you are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We had Christian friends that would occasionally join us for dinner at our home. I loved spending money and hours cooking an elaborate meal and then sitting there while they thanked Jesus for the meal. THAT felt disrespectful

Interesting, I've never thought about it like that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You don't have to respect their beliefs, but there is no way to respectfully ask people to refrain from praying. They will be offended. There's a big difference between not being religious and being so offended by other people's religion that you fee compelled to prevent them from practicing it in your presence.

Praying silently rather than engaging the whole table is not "refraining".

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Anonymous wrote:I'm an atheist. If someone invited to dinner wants to say a quick prayer before their meal, they are welcome to. I would appreciate a heads up, so that I can let everyone know that Suzy would like to say a prayer, and could we all be quiet before starting dinner. If out at a restaurant, I would refrain from eating while they said their prayer.

This is not onerous. I don't see what the problem is with letting someone go ahead with their prayer. It's not like it's harming anyone.

So the people of different beliefs should not be respected? Why can’t the person with the belief pray quietly, and be thankful to their God quietly? Then everybody can deal with it on their own terms in accordance with their own beliefs.

I mean this example in a public place with a mixed group, not in a private home.

Atheist PP. I don't see how it is disrespectful to people of different beliefs to allow one or more people in a group to say grace. I would be equally open to any other prayer; it doesn't require participation, just not being rude.

Great idea! So then the atheist can say "well there is no evidence of a god, but man do those jalepeno poppers look good, I am eager to eat them!" That should not offend anyone, right?

The majority of prominent conceptions of God explicitly or effectively posit a being whose existence is not testable either by proof or disproof. Therefore, the question of God's existence may lie outside the purview of modern science by definition.

Why would you bring up something at a meal with friends that illustrates how dumb you are?

Someone who does not believe in a god is dumb?

Also, where do you see the word "proof" in the post you are replying to?

Here's the answer: you don't! You are being dishonest and straw-man-ing.

You are advertising your ignorance regarding this subject. I would tell you that you should not do so, but I don’t think you have to worry about being invited to meals with friends very often, if ever.

Your insult is a tacit admission that you have no substantive response. Please try and engage fairly and with substance.

Why do atheists have to start arguing about whether God exists or not IN EVERY THREAD?

Go back and read the thread above. The first person to bring up existence/proof was a theist. All the atheists were talking about their belief.

Are you ok? We are discussing saying grace before a meal to GOD. In this thread we all assume that GOD is listening to us pray before meals and we are discussing etiquette only, not His existence.

Some jackass atheist had to start talking about evidence for God and how there isn’t any. That has nothing to do with this topic. Grow up damn.