Help settle a debate about saying grace

[Anonymous]

I am the pp who y'all mad at, but I am definitely not OP lol. I did respond earlier in the thread about my muslim friends who pray after an animal is hit by a vehicle but they aren't stopping traffic or making a scene.

Think what you want, but prayer does not need to be obnoxious -that doesnt make me rude or gaslighting my friends. Sounds like the rest of you "grace-sayers" are the bigots who don't care about anyone elses beliefs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am the pp who y'all mad at, but I am definitely not OP lol. I did respond earlier in the thread about my muslim friends who pray after an animal is hit by a vehicle but they aren't stopping traffic or making a scene.

Think what you want, but prayer does not need to be obnoxious -that doesnt make me rude or gaslighting my friends. Sounds like the rest of you "grace-sayers" are the bigots who don't care about anyone elses beliefs.

Thanks for the memories, pp! NP and my liberal Christian dad used to pray when seeing animals hit by a vehicle. When he was driving he'd put one hand on another. It took me a while to make the connection. But he never uttered a word, so finally I asked him, and he confirmed he was praying for the animals.

[Anonymous]

I think when in Rome makes the most sense. If you really can’t go for one meal without praying then just do it in a manner that doesn’t require action from everyone else. For example, hood your head and say it silently to yourself. Do not do as my aunt did and require everyone to be silent and listen as she loudly made up and embellished a long prayer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So the poster who claimed that sacrificing a white chicken at dinner was part of practicing their religion never explained what religion they practice and why sacrificing an animal at dinner was important to them in a religious context?

I do wish people would be genuine and not troll, it adds nothing but ridiculousness and stupidity to the conversation.

The only modern “religions” that require animal sacrifice are scary. If pp is sacrificing animals for real they are involved in a religious cult that uses blood and death to make deals and placate supernatural elements that are harmful and dangerous.

Omg how do you get through the day?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think you should go with the hosts preference. That is the polite thing to do. At the same time, I would not object to a friend wanting to say grace in my home. If everyone is reasonable, then things are fine. But as the another post in this forum shows, many people here feel like it's their RIGHT to do whatever/whenever in the name of freedom.

There's a big difference between not being religious and being so offended by other people's religion that you feel compelled to prevent them from practicing it in your presence.

Why would you not want your friends to say a 15-30 prayer of gratitude and thanks in your home (where you invited them to be) and respect their beliefs?

People DO have the freedom to practice their religion (or to not practice a religion) and it’s a great privilege to have the freedom to do so.

Why are we against freedom?

Why is freedom a bad thing?

People are free to speak and practice whatever religion they choose- or choose to not practice a religion.

I don’t think I have ever encountered people who think this is a negative thing before, ever.

“The constitutional freedom of religion [is] the most inalienable and sacred of all human rights." --Thomas Jefferson: Virginia Board of Visitors Minutes, 1819.


"Among the most inestimable of our blessings, also, is that... of liberty to worship our Creator in the way we think most agreeable to His will; a liberty deemed in other countries incompatible with good government and yet proved by our experience to be its best support." --Thomas Jefferson: Reply to John Thomas et al., 1807.


"In our early struggles for liberty, religious freedom could not fail to become a primary object." --Thomas Jefferson to Baltimore Baptists, 1808.


"Religion, as well as reason, confirms the soundness of those principles on which our government has been founded and its rights asserted." --Thomas Jefferson to P. H. Wendover, 1815.


"One of the amendments to the Constitution... expressly declares that 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press,' thereby guarding in the same sentence and under the same words, the freedom of religion, of speech, and of the press; insomuch that whatever violates either throws down the sanctuary which covers the others." --Thomas Jefferson: Draft Kentucky Resolutions, 1798.

I mean sure, but the rest of us don't have to sit around quietly with our heads bowed. If someone at my table wants to say a prayer silently before they eat with their head bowed and hands folded, go for it. I don't feel the need to stop my conversation with the person next to me for that and bow my head along with them. That's my freedom not to and I'm sure you agree with me.

I mean personally I am not going to eat until everyone at the table is ready to eat. If we go in a group to a restaurant, order in a group, and another diner’s food is late, I don’t eat until they have the meal they ordered. I think it’s rude to eat in front of a friend who is waiting for their food and hungry also. That’s just my level of manners and empathy, and I know it’s not something everyone else feels necessary.

Of course you have every right to not pray and can eat whenever you wish. You have no responsibility or duty to pray with anyone.

That’s why it’s ridiculous to debate whether or not we can “allow” someone to pray at our homes or at a restaurant.

I am glad to live in a country where everyone can live their life as they wish. It’s truly a privilege to have these freedoms.

op should realize that they don’t control what their guests do, and to try to control them is exceptionally rude, especially as the purpose of inviting someone to your home is to have a mutually pleasant experience and share a meal.

Not talking about eating before everyone else. If I'm in a conversation with someone at the table and someone else starts to pray out loud I'm not going to stop my conversation and pretend to join in. Love my freedoms. You go ahead and do you. I'll do me.

Anyone can pray at any time. Just like anyone can curse at any time. Or sing a song. Or recite a poem. All silently, no one else needs to be drawn into it.

I wonder how many of these hypotheticals on any side have actually been experienced by the people posting them.

Anyway, would you be respectful of somebody else's prayers/vegan food/no-pork preferences? Or would you curse during the silent prayer and dribble BBQ sauce over their plate as you help yourself to the pork?

Stop being argumentative, please. I think we've established that a silent prayer would be just fine, which answers OP's question,

It's kind of too bad this was moved to the Religion forum.

OP here. Yes, I purposely did not put it in the religion forum because I didn’t want the discussion to become a debate about religion. It’s pretty annoying that it got moved. Maybe trust that people have placed their thread where they want it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am having a disagreement with my spouse about saying grace in a setting where not everyone is a "grace sayer."

One of us thinks that people who say grace should be able to say it wherever they are, including at someone else's house (who do not say grace) or at a restaurant with others who do not participate in this practice. This person thinks that everyone else should respectfully remain silent and refrain from eating until the grace has been said.

The other of us thinks that saying grace in a "mixed" situation is a bit obtuse, and that those who customarily say grace can forgo it on these occasions or quietly say it in their head, but they should not say grace aloud and not expect others to delay their dining.

What does DCUM think?

Obtuse is used as a veiled insult for being stupid, simple minded, or willfully ignorant.

Why are you or your spouse calling people who say grace simple, stupid, and ignorant?

That’s a bad way to talk about people who think you are their friend. I would not want to be friends with someone who thought I was simple or ignorant because of my religion.

It says so much about you (or your spouse) that you would call people names because of their religion, and none of it good.

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I think the correct answer is that neither people who say grace nor people who do not say grace eat with bigots who call their friends and acquaintances hurtful names behind their backs.

Better yet: be honest and tell your friends you find them ignorant and simple, and let them know who you really are so they won’t be disappointed when they lose a friendship. They will be glad to not hang out with backstabbing people who judge them negatively and think they are superior to them.

You are being obtuse, or willfully ignorant, of the post. OP did not say either person thinks religious people are obtuse for saying grace in general, only when saying it in "mixed company". Please learn to read before you start lecturing others on their use of language.

Go gaslighting your “friends” or something.

Looking down on others and calling them ignorant, dumb, slow, etc, is not acceptable.

I bet atheist op got a thrill calling religious people dumb and simple in the original post, without anyone catching on to what a bigot they are.

I feel sorry for anyone hangs around with op. At least their spouse isn’t a vile person.

I can’t stand fake people. People who act like they are nice and open minded and accepting, but really calling their friends and acquaintances simple and ignorant and dull.

You are a bad person, op. You are two faced and sneaky, and another jerk has the gall to defend you and pretend insulting the education, intelligence, and emotional intelligence of people you are pretending to like is ok. It’s not.

Don’t eat with these people, you don’t like or respect them.

Haha, okay, wow. I’m so chastened.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am having a disagreement with my spouse about saying grace in a setting where not everyone is a "grace sayer."

One of us thinks that people who say grace should be able to say it wherever they are, including at someone else's house (who do not say grace) or at a restaurant with others who do not participate in this practice. This person thinks that everyone else should respectfully remain silent and refrain from eating until the grace has been said.

The other of us thinks that saying grace in a "mixed" situation is a bit obtuse, and that those who customarily say grace can forgo it on these occasions or quietly say it in their head, but they should not say grace aloud and not expect others to delay their dining.

What does DCUM think?

Obtuse is used as a veiled insult for being stupid, simple minded, or willfully ignorant.

Why are you or your spouse calling people who say grace simple, stupid, and ignorant?

That’s a bad way to talk about people who think you are their friend. I would not want to be friends with someone who thought I was simple or ignorant because of my religion.

It says so much about you (or your spouse) that you would call people names because of their religion, and none of it good.

words associated with the adjective obtuse
slow to understand
dense
dopey
dull
dumb
imperceptive
insensitive
opaque
slow on uptake
stolid
thick

I think the correct answer is that neither people who say grace nor people who do not say grace eat with bigots who call their friends and acquaintances hurtful names behind their backs.

Better yet: be honest and tell your friends you find them ignorant and simple, and let them know who you really are so they won’t be disappointed when they lose a friendship. They will be glad to not hang out with backstabbing people who judge them negatively and think they are superior to them.

You are being obtuse, or willfully ignorant, of the post. OP did not say either person thinks religious people are obtuse for saying grace in general, only when saying it in "mixed company". Please learn to read before you start lecturing others on their use of language.

This is definitely op.

“Please learn to read before you start lecturing others…”

Op- You are the smartest person ever. You are smarter than your spouse, your friends, etc.

You think you are so smart you can use a word that is extremely insulting to describe people you call your friends and nobody will catch on.

When someone points out what a disrespectful and two-faced person you are, you tell them to “learn to read.”

You think so very highly of yourself and think of other people as imbeciles.

Obtuse is an insult. To say call your friends obtuse, and to tell someone to “learn to read,” means you are snobby and rude, as well as a bigot.

That was not me. Also, these are not my friends I am talking about. Also you don’t know if I am the spouse with the first viewpoint or the second. It could be my spouse you have a quibble with.

I will be frank, though, that I do think you seem like an imbecile.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the poster who claimed that sacrificing a white chicken at dinner was part of practicing their religion never explained what religion they practice and why sacrificing an animal at dinner was important to them in a religious context?

I do wish people would be genuine and not troll, it adds nothing but ridiculousness and stupidity to the conversation.

The only modern “religions” that require animal sacrifice are scary. If pp is sacrificing animals for real they are involved in a religious cult that uses blood and death to make deals and placate supernatural elements that are harmful and dangerous.

Omg how do you get through the day?

Posting in the Religion forum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am having a disagreement with my spouse about saying grace in a setting where not everyone is a "grace sayer."

One of us thinks that people who say grace should be able to say it wherever they are, including at someone else's house (who do not say grace) or at a restaurant with others who do not participate in this practice. This person thinks that everyone else should respectfully remain silent and refrain from eating until the grace has been said.

The other of us thinks that saying grace in a "mixed" situation is a bit obtuse, and that those who customarily say grace can forgo it on these occasions or quietly say it in their head, but they should not say grace aloud and not expect others to delay their dining.

What does DCUM think?

Obtuse is used as a veiled insult for being stupid, simple minded, or willfully ignorant.

Why are you or your spouse calling people who say grace simple, stupid, and ignorant?

That’s a bad way to talk about people who think you are their friend. I would not want to be friends with someone who thought I was simple or ignorant because of my religion.

It says so much about you (or your spouse) that you would call people names because of their religion, and none of it good.

words associated with the adjective obtuse
slow to understand
dense
dopey
dull
dumb
imperceptive
insensitive
opaque
slow on uptake
stolid
thick

I think the correct answer is that neither people who say grace nor people who do not say grace eat with bigots who call their friends and acquaintances hurtful names behind their backs.

Better yet: be honest and tell your friends you find them ignorant and simple, and let them know who you really are so they won’t be disappointed when they lose a friendship. They will be glad to not hang out with backstabbing people who judge them negatively and think they are superior to them.

You are being obtuse, or willfully ignorant, of the post. OP did not say either person thinks religious people are obtuse for saying grace in general, only when saying it in "mixed company". Please learn to read before you start lecturing others on their use of language.

This is definitely op.

“Please learn to read before you start lecturing others…”

Op- You are the smartest person ever. You are smarter than your spouse, your friends, etc.

You think you are so smart you can use a word that is extremely insulting to describe people you call your friends and nobody will catch on.

When someone points out what a disrespectful and two-faced person you are, you tell them to “learn to read.”

You think so very highly of yourself and think of other people as imbeciles.

Obtuse is an insult. To say call your friends obtuse, and to tell someone to “learn to read,” means you are snobby and rude, as well as a bigot.

That was not me. Also, these are not my friends I am talking about. Also you don’t know if I am the spouse with the first viewpoint or the second. It could be my spouse you have a quibble with.

I will be frank, though, that I do think you seem like an imbecile.

You are intellectually dishonest and enjoy calling people names and insulting their intelligence. It’s somewhat of a hobby amongst atheists, who pretend they are intelligentsia. (Although most of them posting here and other places I’ve seen them congregating online don’t have any degree or advanced degrees, weird.)

I am sure this topic is of the utmost importance for you. I imagine the number of multi-faith dinner parties you host is quite large and you must settle this question before the upcoming holiday season, when you will be overwhelmed by the crowds thronging to your table.

You would never just be an intellectually dishonest atheist or anti- theist making “problems” up to provoke a discussion that is based on things that were not even true or factual.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the poster who claimed that sacrificing a white chicken at dinner was part of practicing their religion never explained what religion they practice and why sacrificing an animal at dinner was important to them in a religious context?

I do wish people would be genuine and not troll, it adds nothing but ridiculousness and stupidity to the conversation.

The only modern “religions” that require animal sacrifice are scary. If pp is sacrificing animals for real they are involved in a religious cult that uses blood and death to make deals and placate supernatural elements that are harmful and dangerous.

Omg how do you get through the day?

Not by lying about sacrificing animals at dinner parties (intellectual dishonesty and creepy to boot) to try to “win” an argument. Lying to debate a topic, really?

Op never answered if they were the half of the couple who was ok with grace in mixed settings, or against it.

That’s because op, despite their lofty claims, is also intellectually dishonest.

They want our opinions about the issue, but feel they can hide their opinion.

Why are they refusing to be honest about a matter the are asking for others to give their opinion about?

Intellectual dishonesty. Imagine irl someone asking you for an opinion but refusing to tell you their opinion. It’s ridiculous.

But that’s exactly how intellectually dishonest people operate.

Disingenuity is described as a being "not straightforward or candid; insincere or calculating" and op is that as well.

Op can’t actually tell us what they think. Because they are exactly as defined above.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am having a disagreement with my spouse about saying grace in a setting where not everyone is a "grace sayer."

One of us thinks that people who say grace should be able to say it wherever they are, including at someone else's house (who do not say grace) or at a restaurant with others who do not participate in this practice. This person thinks that everyone else should respectfully remain silent and refrain from eating until the grace has been said.

The other of us thinks that saying grace in a "mixed" situation is a bit obtuse, and that those who customarily say grace can forgo it on these occasions or quietly say it in their head, but they should not say grace aloud and not expect others to delay their dining.

What does DCUM think?

Obtuse is used as a veiled insult for being stupid, simple minded, or willfully ignorant.

Why are you or your spouse calling people who say grace simple, stupid, and ignorant?

That’s a bad way to talk about people who think you are their friend. I would not want to be friends with someone who thought I was simple or ignorant because of my religion.

It says so much about you (or your spouse) that you would call people names because of their religion, and none of it good.

words associated with the adjective obtuse
slow to understand
dense
dopey
dull
dumb
imperceptive
insensitive
opaque
slow on uptake
stolid
thick

I think the correct answer is that neither people who say grace nor people who do not say grace eat with bigots who call their friends and acquaintances hurtful names behind their backs.

Better yet: be honest and tell your friends you find them ignorant and simple, and let them know who you really are so they won’t be disappointed when they lose a friendship. They will be glad to not hang out with backstabbing people who judge them negatively and think they are superior to them.

You are being obtuse, or willfully ignorant, of the post. OP did not say either person thinks religious people are obtuse for saying grace in general, only when saying it in "mixed company". Please learn to read before you start lecturing others on their use of language.

This is definitely op.

“Please learn to read before you start lecturing others…”

Op- You are the smartest person ever. You are smarter than your spouse, your friends, etc.

You think you are so smart you can use a word that is extremely insulting to describe people you call your friends and nobody will catch on.

When someone points out what a disrespectful and two-faced person you are, you tell them to “learn to read.”

You think so very highly of yourself and think of other people as imbeciles.

Obtuse is an insult. To say call your friends obtuse, and to tell someone to “learn to read,” means you are snobby and rude, as well as a bigot.

That was not me. Also, these are not my friends I am talking about. Also you don’t know if I am the spouse with the first viewpoint or the second. It could be my spouse you have a quibble with.

I will be frank, though, that I do think you seem like an imbecile.

If you can’t admit to your position there is no point in engaging with you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the poster who claimed that sacrificing a white chicken at dinner was part of practicing their religion never explained what religion they practice and why sacrificing an animal at dinner was important to them in a religious context?

I do wish people would be genuine and not troll, it adds nothing but ridiculousness and stupidity to the conversation.

The only modern “religions” that require animal sacrifice are scary. If pp is sacrificing animals for real they are involved in a religious cult that uses blood and death to make deals and placate supernatural elements that are harmful and dangerous.

Omg how do you get through the day?

Not by lying about sacrificing animals at dinner parties (intellectual dishonesty and creepy to boot) to try to “win” an argument. Lying to debate a topic, really?

Op never answered if they were the half of the couple who was ok with grace in mixed settings, or against it.

That’s because op, despite their lofty claims, is also intellectually dishonest.

They want our opinions about the issue, but feel they can hide their opinion.

Why are they refusing to be honest about a matter the are asking for others to give their opinion about?

Intellectual dishonesty. Imagine irl someone asking you for an opinion but refusing to tell you their opinion. It’s ridiculous.

But that’s exactly how intellectually dishonest people operate.

Disingenuity is described as a being "not straightforward or candid; insincere or calculating" and op is that as well.

Op can’t actually tell us what they think. Because they are exactly as defined above.

You do know that squawking “intellectual dishonesty” multiple times doesn’t make you sound intelligent, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am having a disagreement with my spouse about saying grace in a setting where not everyone is a "grace sayer."

One of us thinks that people who say grace should be able to say it wherever they are, including at someone else's house (who do not say grace) or at a restaurant with others who do not participate in this practice. This person thinks that everyone else should respectfully remain silent and refrain from eating until the grace has been said.

The other of us thinks that saying grace in a "mixed" situation is a bit obtuse, and that those who customarily say grace can forgo it on these occasions or quietly say it in their head, but they should not say grace aloud and not expect others to delay their dining.

What does DCUM think?

Obtuse is used as a veiled insult for being stupid, simple minded, or willfully ignorant.

Why are you or your spouse calling people who say grace simple, stupid, and ignorant?

That’s a bad way to talk about people who think you are their friend. I would not want to be friends with someone who thought I was simple or ignorant because of my religion.

It says so much about you (or your spouse) that you would call people names because of their religion, and none of it good.

words associated with the adjective obtuse
slow to understand
dense
dopey
dull
dumb
imperceptive
insensitive
opaque
slow on uptake
stolid
thick

I think the correct answer is that neither people who say grace nor people who do not say grace eat with bigots who call their friends and acquaintances hurtful names behind their backs.

Better yet: be honest and tell your friends you find them ignorant and simple, and let them know who you really are so they won’t be disappointed when they lose a friendship. They will be glad to not hang out with backstabbing people who judge them negatively and think they are superior to them.

You are being obtuse, or willfully ignorant, of the post. OP did not say either person thinks religious people are obtuse for saying grace in general, only when saying it in "mixed company". Please learn to read before you start lecturing others on their use of language.

This is definitely op.

“Please learn to read before you start lecturing others…”

Op- You are the smartest person ever. You are smarter than your spouse, your friends, etc.

You think you are so smart you can use a word that is extremely insulting to describe people you call your friends and nobody will catch on.

When someone points out what a disrespectful and two-faced person you are, you tell them to “learn to read.”

You think so very highly of yourself and think of other people as imbeciles.

Obtuse is an insult. To say call your friends obtuse, and to tell someone to “learn to read,” means you are snobby and rude, as well as a bigot.

That was not me. Also, these are not my friends I am talking about. Also you don’t know if I am the spouse with the first viewpoint or the second. It could be my spouse you have a quibble with.

I will be frank, though, that I do think you seem like an imbecile.

If you can’t admit to your position there is no point in engaging with you.

So don’t?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am having a disagreement with my spouse about saying grace in a setting where not everyone is a "grace sayer."

One of us thinks that people who say grace should be able to say it wherever they are, including at someone else's house (who do not say grace) or at a restaurant with others who do not participate in this practice. This person thinks that everyone else should respectfully remain silent and refrain from eating until the grace has been said.

The other of us thinks that saying grace in a "mixed" situation is a bit obtuse, and that those who customarily say grace can forgo it on these occasions or quietly say it in their head, but they should not say grace aloud and not expect others to delay their dining.

What does DCUM think?

Obtuse is used as a veiled insult for being stupid, simple minded, or willfully ignorant.

Why are you or your spouse calling people who say grace simple, stupid, and ignorant?

That’s a bad way to talk about people who think you are their friend. I would not want to be friends with someone who thought I was simple or ignorant because of my religion.

It says so much about you (or your spouse) that you would call people names because of their religion, and none of it good.

words associated with the adjective obtuse
slow to understand
dense
dopey
dull
dumb
imperceptive
insensitive
opaque
slow on uptake
stolid
thick

I think the correct answer is that neither people who say grace nor people who do not say grace eat with bigots who call their friends and acquaintances hurtful names behind their backs.

Better yet: be honest and tell your friends you find them ignorant and simple, and let them know who you really are so they won’t be disappointed when they lose a friendship. They will be glad to not hang out with backstabbing people who judge them negatively and think they are superior to them.

You are being obtuse, or willfully ignorant, of the post. OP did not say either person thinks religious people are obtuse for saying grace in general, only when saying it in "mixed company". Please learn to read before you start lecturing others on their use of language.

This is definitely op.

“Please learn to read before you start lecturing others…”

Op- You are the smartest person ever. You are smarter than your spouse, your friends, etc.

You think you are so smart you can use a word that is extremely insulting to describe people you call your friends and nobody will catch on.

When someone points out what a disrespectful and two-faced person you are, you tell them to “learn to read.”

You think so very highly of yourself and think of other people as imbeciles.

Obtuse is an insult. To say call your friends obtuse, and to tell someone to “learn to read,” means you are snobby and rude, as well as a bigot.

That was not me. Also, these are not my friends I am talking about. Also you don’t know if I am the spouse with the first viewpoint or the second. It could be my spouse you have a quibble with.

I will be frank, though, that I do think you seem like an imbecile.

If you can’t admit to your position there is no point in engaging with you.

So don’t?

Intellectual honesty is about having high standards for the truth.

Intellectual dishonesty is the term for being dishonest without necessarily straight out lying.

A common way to be intellectually dishonest in a debate or discussion is to dodge questions while pretending you’re answering them. You’re not telling a lie, but you’re being dishonest when you manipulate the discussion this way.

op is being vague, weasel-wording, and duplicitous for a reason.

People who want actual discussion are honest and don’t manipulate others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the poster who claimed that sacrificing a white chicken at dinner was part of practicing their religion never explained what religion they practice and why sacrificing an animal at dinner was important to them in a religious context?

I do wish people would be genuine and not troll, it adds nothing but ridiculousness and stupidity to the conversation.

The only modern “religions” that require animal sacrifice are scary. If pp is sacrificing animals for real they are involved in a religious cult that uses blood and death to make deals and placate supernatural elements that are harmful and dangerous.

Omg how do you get through the day?

Not by lying about sacrificing animals at dinner parties (intellectual dishonesty and creepy to boot) to try to “win” an argument. Lying to debate a topic, really?

Op never answered if they were the half of the couple who was ok with grace in mixed settings, or against it.

That’s because op, despite their lofty claims, is also intellectually dishonest.

They want our opinions about the issue, but feel they can hide their opinion.

Why are they refusing to be honest about a matter the are asking for others to give their opinion about?

Intellectual dishonesty. Imagine irl someone asking you for an opinion but refusing to tell you their opinion. It’s ridiculous.

But that’s exactly how intellectually dishonest people operate.

Disingenuity is described as a being "not straightforward or candid; insincere or calculating" and op is that as well.

Op can’t actually tell us what they think. Because they are exactly as defined above.

You do know that squawking “intellectual dishonesty” multiple times doesn’t make you sound intelligent, right?

You know manipulating people by being dishonest is what bad people do, right?