Victoria’s Secret “Karen” sues, says she is the victim

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ve seen little 45lb black kindergarteners in Florida carted off in handcuffs for lesser dysregulation than this large adult woman displayed.

If this had been a black woman or a black man behaving this way in a store she would have been cuffed and thrown into a wagon and escorted to central lock up, charged with disorderly conduct, disturbing the peace, unlawful detainer, trespassing, making terroristic threats, and assault, mental illness be damned and no questions asked.

There but for the Grace of God though… the pandemic was hard on people, even now so many folks are teetering on the edge and walking around one sandwich short of a picnic.

You are right that black people with disabilities are treated much worse than white people with disabilities.

However, that does not mean we should equalize treatment by mistreating white people with disabilities. It means we need to address how systemic racism disproportionally harms black people with disabilities.

This woman still deserves empathy, just as a black person in the same situation deserves empathy. It's clear that someone behaving in this way needs help, and not to just be thrown in jail or cuffed.

I will also note here that if a black person with an a mental disability or serious mental illnesses had a similar breakdown over being filmed by a white woman, we'd all be calling the white woman a Karen for harassing a vulnerable black person.

Everything is very broken right now. We keep trying to fix the wrong problems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve seen little 45lb black kindergarteners in Florida carted off in handcuffs for lesser dysregulation than this large adult woman displayed.

If this had been a black woman or a black man behaving this way in a store she would have been cuffed and thrown into a wagon and escorted to central lock up, charged with disorderly conduct, disturbing the peace, unlawful detainer, trespassing, making terroristic threats, and assault, mental illness be damned and no questions asked.

There but for the Grace of God though… the pandemic was hard on people, even now so many folks are teetering on the edge and walking around one sandwich short of a picnic.

For every kid not carted off in kindergarten countless more are tormenting their classmates by throwing chairs, choking, biting, hitting without a single consequence.

Holy red herring… your brain is a total train wreck!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve seen little 45lb black kindergarteners in Florida carted off in handcuffs for lesser dysregulation than this large adult woman displayed.

If this had been a black woman or a black man behaving this way in a store she would have been cuffed and thrown into a wagon and escorted to central lock up, charged with disorderly conduct, disturbing the peace, unlawful detainer, trespassing, making terroristic threats, and assault, mental illness be damned and no questions asked.

There but for the Grace of God though… the pandemic was hard on people, even now so many folks are teetering on the edge and walking around one sandwich short of a picnic.

For every kid not carted off in kindergarten countless more are tormenting their classmates by throwing chairs, choking, biting, hitting without a single consequence.

Holy red herring… your brain is a total train wreck!

Oh no, you couldn't come up with a decent response so resorted to this? Try harder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve seen little 45lb black kindergarteners in Florida carted off in handcuffs for lesser dysregulation than this large adult woman displayed.

If this had been a black woman or a black man behaving this way in a store she would have been cuffed and thrown into a wagon and escorted to central lock up, charged with disorderly conduct, disturbing the peace, unlawful detainer, trespassing, making terroristic threats, and assault, mental illness be damned and no questions asked.

There but for the Grace of God though… the pandemic was hard on people, even now so many folks are teetering on the edge and walking around one sandwich short of a picnic.

You are right that black people with disabilities are treated much worse than white people with disabilities.

However, that does not mean we should equalize treatment by mistreating white people with disabilities. It means we need to address how systemic racism disproportionally harms black people with disabilities.

This woman still deserves empathy, just as a black person in the same situation deserves empathy. It's clear that someone behaving in this way needs help, and not to just be thrown in jail or cuffed.

I will also note here that if a black person with an a mental disability or serious mental illnesses had a similar breakdown over being filmed by a white woman, we'd all be calling the white woman a Karen for harassing a vulnerable black person.

Everything is very broken right now. We keep trying to fix the wrong problems.

Yes but this lady told the police on the phone that this lady is threatening me she’s “filming my mental breakdown” she seemed pretty self aware at that point.

Usually truly crazy people in the midst of a breakdown don’t know that they are crazy and spiraling. Plus she eventually pulled it together and left. She’s allowed out unsupervised, so she’s not that crazy.

If she’d been locked up that day or the 15 other times she’s freaked out in public she might learn to do a better job of controlling herself, taking her meds and practicing self soothing techniques while out in public.

I was always impressed by how on balance DCs mentally ill homeless people learned to not go into stores in DC and terrorize customers or aggressively panhandle. For the most part they were a pretty tame bunch.

It’s because the ones who value hanging out in the sidewalk and being free were able to figure out the basic rules, keep hands to self, arguing with yourself and your invisible friends is okay, but don’t follow people down the street, don’t accost them, and don’t go into the stores and misbehave because if you do someone will call the police and you will get arrested.

Best advice I ever received (3rd grade) no one really cares about you or your problems, behave accordingly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The problem here is that the mentally ill person was potentially violent. Despite her mental illness, she should not have been allowed out of her communal home without a caretaker who could monitor her to make sure she didn't have an episode. It was completely negligent of whoever her guardian is to let her out without a caretaker for both her protection and the public's protection.

This women, while mentally ill, should still be held accountable for her actions. In this case, it was during Covid and at the checkout line, she was unmasked and closing in on her victim. The victim asked her to step back 6 feet (at the time, it was store policy). The aggressive white woman complained to the cashier. Knowing how these situations often unfold and to protect herself from racist accusations that she was in the wrong, the victim, the black woman, started filming. When she pulled out her phone, the white woman thought it was appropriate to slap the other woman's phone out of her hand because she didn't want to be filmed. She missed the phone and struck the victim. Then after the victim would not stop filming her, she chased the victim around the shop yelling "Get her away from me". That is not normal behavior. You can't yell "get away from me" while chasing someone around the store. Sorry, she could have stayed away or left herself instead of chasing her victim around the shop.

And the Victoria's Secret staff was definitely complicit here. They ultimately did step in between the women to stop the mentally ill aggressor from continuing to chase the victim, but they should have done so much earlier and should have called mall security to stop the white woman from continuing to chase the black woman around the store. And then to tell the victim that she needed to leave instead of telling the aggressor to leave was just inappropriate. I don't think either woman deserves anything from the other, but I think the black victim definitely deserves compensation from Victoria's Secret for letting this situation get out of hand and just ignoring the situation until they had to step in much too late.

“The victim” knew exactly what she was doing and tormented this woman, got a payday, and internet famous. She knew exactly what she was doing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These videos are really reaching a point of absurdism.

If the woman has a mental disability (and given that she lives in disability house and has a diagnosed issue, I think she does), then her behavior can be explained by that disability.

That doesn't mean her behavior is awesome and we all approve. It just means that her disability goes a long way to describe what otherwise looks like irrational behavior. She has an anxiety disorder that was triggered when someone started filming her, she asked the woman to stop filming her, it escalated. Watching the video with that context, I feel the disability explains the entire thing. Ok, this is someone who is troubled and struggles with appropriate reactions, who was triggered.

But if her behavior is explained by her disability, then ipso facto, she's not a racist Karen. Her behavior isn't okay or allowable, but it was caused by her disability, not racial animus. She was upset about being filmed, period, and I do not think it was the fact that a black woman was filming her that was the issue. She was freaking out over being on camera, and it didn't matter who had the camera.

And if her behavior was caused by her disability, and not racism or a desire to endanger the life of a black woman through a false accusation, then posting this video online and calling this woman a racist Karen is both morally wrong and, also, potentially libelous.

The idea that we would sit around debating the behavior in the videos is silly. We have eyes, we see this woman having some kind of breakdown and sometimes chasing the videographer around the store or trying to slap the phone out of her hands -- all not great! The question is WHY she is doing that, and it turns out it's because she has a mental disability. Case closed. Not a racist Karen incident.

Stop calling people racist just because they interacted with a black person and the interaction did not result in a job offer or reparations or something. People are freaking messy. Yes racism exists but it's not the ONLY thing that exists.

+1
The filmer should not have posted this. It’s clear the woman has mental challenges from how distraught she is.

[Anonymous]

Exhibit #3005 of Karen being used as a dehumanizing slur against white women

[Anonymous]

Firmly on the side of the filmer.

If she didn't record it, the filmer would probably have been arrested and accused of threatening the blonde woman. This is precisely the kind of situation where filming is warranted, to protect oneself.

And sorry, I don't care how mentally ill one is. If you cannot interact with others safely, then you don't belong in public. Your rights do not trump others rights to not be attacked, harassed, screamed at, followed, or wrongfully blamed.

[Anonymous]

I would be firmly on the side of the women filming if there wasn’t a history of this type of incident with her and her posting it.

[Anonymous]

Filming it is one thing. Posting it is another thing entirely. You don’t post a video like that with the intent that only your closest 8 friends see it. You post because you hope it goes viral. That’s sick.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem here is that the mentally ill person was potentially violent. Despite her mental illness, she should not have been allowed out of her communal home without a caretaker who could monitor her to make sure she didn't have an episode. It was completely negligent of whoever her guardian is to let her out without a caretaker for both her protection and the public's protection.

This women, while mentally ill, should still be held accountable for her actions. In this case, it was during Covid and at the checkout line, she was unmasked and closing in on her victim. The victim asked her to step back 6 feet (at the time, it was store policy). The aggressive white woman complained to the cashier. Knowing how these situations often unfold and to protect herself from racist accusations that she was in the wrong, the victim, the black woman, started filming. When she pulled out her phone, the white woman thought it was appropriate to slap the other woman's phone out of her hand because she didn't want to be filmed. She missed the phone and struck the victim. Then after the victim would not stop filming her, she chased the victim around the shop yelling "Get her away from me". That is not normal behavior. You can't yell "get away from me" while chasing someone around the store. Sorry, she could have stayed away or left herself instead of chasing her victim around the shop.

And the Victoria's Secret staff was definitely complicit here. They ultimately did step in between the women to stop the mentally ill aggressor from continuing to chase the victim, but they should have done so much earlier and should have called mall security to stop the white woman from continuing to chase the black woman around the store. And then to tell the victim that she needed to leave instead of telling the aggressor to leave was just inappropriate. I don't think either woman deserves anything from the other, but I think the black victim definitely deserves compensation from Victoria's Secret for letting this situation get out of hand and just ignoring the situation until they had to step in much too late.

“The victim” knew exactly what she was doing and tormented this woman, got a payday, and internet famous. She knew exactly what she was doing.

She got notoriety. Not fame. Understand the he difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Exhibit #3005 of Karen being used as a dehumanizing slur against white women

+1 I agree, but I also remember the first part of this video where the white woman was screaming at her and following her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Filming it is one thing. Posting it is another thing entirely. You don’t post a video like that with the intent that only your closest 8 friends see it. You post because you hope it goes viral. That’s sick.

She wanted a payday. And she got one.

^^^
That’s where American society is.

And what did she need the money for, exactly?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem here is that the mentally ill person was potentially violent. Despite her mental illness, she should not have been allowed out of her communal home without a caretaker who could monitor her to make sure she didn't have an episode. It was completely negligent of whoever her guardian is to let her out without a caretaker for both her protection and the public's protection.

This women, while mentally ill, should still be held accountable for her actions. In this case, it was during Covid and at the checkout line, she was unmasked and closing in on her victim. The victim asked her to step back 6 feet (at the time, it was store policy). The aggressive white woman complained to the cashier. Knowing how these situations often unfold and to protect herself from racist accusations that she was in the wrong, the victim, the black woman, started filming. When she pulled out her phone, the white woman thought it was appropriate to slap the other woman's phone out of her hand because she didn't want to be filmed. She missed the phone and struck the victim. Then after the victim would not stop filming her, she chased the victim around the shop yelling "Get her away from me". That is not normal behavior. You can't yell "get away from me" while chasing someone around the store. Sorry, she could have stayed away or left herself instead of chasing her victim around the shop.

And the Victoria's Secret staff was definitely complicit here. They ultimately did step in between the women to stop the mentally ill aggressor from continuing to chase the victim, but they should have done so much earlier and should have called mall security to stop the white woman from continuing to chase the black woman around the store. And then to tell the victim that she needed to leave instead of telling the aggressor to leave was just inappropriate. I don't think either woman deserves anything from the other, but I think the black victim definitely deserves compensation from Victoria's Secret for letting this situation get out of hand and just ignoring the situation until they had to step in much too late.

She should not have been allowed out of her home? Do you hear yourself? I wonder if you said the same thing about Jordan Neely. You probably cried about that one instead of thinking too bad, so sad, where was his caretaker?

I said she should not be allowed out unattended. She clearly needs a caretaker to help her navigate being out in public.

Luckily most people in public actually try to stay away from or help people in distress especially once they realize they are disabled, making incidents like this infrequent. What happened here is Ijeoma Ukenta is actually a bad person who enjoys triggering others and making a scene so she can film it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ve seen little 45lb black kindergarteners in Florida carted off in handcuffs for lesser dysregulation than this large adult woman displayed.

If this had been a black woman or a black man behaving this way in a store she would have been cuffed and thrown into a wagon and escorted to central lock up, charged with disorderly conduct, disturbing the peace, unlawful detainer, trespassing, making terroristic threats, and assault, mental illness be damned and no questions asked.

There but for the Grace of God though… the pandemic was hard on people, even now so many folks are teetering on the edge and walking around one sandwich short of a picnic.

well yes, which is why parents of kids who are not white women and may in fact end up in trouble due to public meltdows are especially disturbed. Ijeoma Ukenta provoked this and not only did she not back down, she posted it on the internet and then TWO years later filed a lawsuit. Despicable.