Victoria’s Secret “Karen” sues, says she is the victim

[Anonymous]

Team filmer. Mental illness or not, it's good that this type of behavior from spoiled, entitled white women is being exposed so that minorities can protect themselves.

These types of women are expert at weaponizing their "purity" and masking their aggression. Expose the behavior. Film away.

Without the camera nobody would care about "mental illness" when the filmer got arrested.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:However mentally ill you are, you are not excused from harassing or touching someone else. If your mental illness makes you a problem in public, then you don't go in public. Period.

I am firmly on the side of the woman filming. Too many people use mental illness to get away with shit. I'm sorry if you're struggling and hope that you are able to have things under control at some point, but the point at which your mental illness can affect others, is a firm red line.

Do we have to be on one side or the other? I think I’m “team no one”. I agree that you cannot touch someone else - that crosses a line and the woman filming may have started out filming for her own protection / documentation. But she then took it too far. Just like the mentally I’ll shouldn’t be in public if they can’t control themselves, I think we as members of society have a responsibility to not exploit / aggravate them - it’s quite dangerous to do so.

No one exploited Abigail Elphick. Her actions are her own, mental illness or not. One should expect to be filmed in public in this day and age. And if you're bothered by that fact, behave like you don't want your poor behavior memorialized forever. If you can't control yourself, then you should not go out in public. You don't get a pass to hit someone, harass them, or be rude - just because of your mental illness.

Yikes. I can understand when doing something like a ribbon cutting, but should we expect to be filmed when doing our private errands?

Uh, yes? Stores have cameras. Shopping centers have camera. There is no assumption of privacy, unless you're in a changing room or something. When you're in public... it's public.

There is a difference between security cameras and some jacka** with a phone who films you against your will and posts it on social media. Huge difference. The filmer in this case deserves to be sued. She's a fraud looking to exploit race relations and a mentally ill woman to pad her wallet. She is disgusting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Team filmer. Mental illness or not, it's good that this type of behavior from spoiled, entitled white women is being exposed so that minorities can protect themselves.

These types of women are expert at weaponizing their "purity" and masking their aggression. Expose the behavior. Film away.

Without the camera nobody would care about "mental illness" when the filmer got arrested.

Nope.

Exhibit 500000000000000 of how awful we are to people with mental illness in this country. Shame on you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Team filmer. Mental illness or not, it's good that this type of behavior from spoiled, entitled white women is being exposed so that minorities can protect themselves.

These types of women are expert at weaponizing their "purity" and masking their aggression. Expose the behavior. Film away.

Without the camera nobody would care about "mental illness" when the filmer got arrested.

Nope.

Exhibit 500000000000000 of how awful we are to people with mental illness in this country. Shame on you.

Keep your "mental illness" over there and out of my space, please. Thnx.

People pull out that card to excuse every damn thing. Enough.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:However mentally ill you are, you are not excused from harassing or touching someone else. If your mental illness makes you a problem in public, then you don't go in public. Period.

I am firmly on the side of the woman filming. Too many people use mental illness to get away with shit. I'm sorry if you're struggling and hope that you are able to have things under control at some point, but the point at which your mental illness can affect others, is a firm red line.

Do we have to be on one side or the other? I think I’m “team no one”. I agree that you cannot touch someone else - that crosses a line and the woman filming may have started out filming for her own protection / documentation. But she then took it too far. Just like the mentally I’ll shouldn’t be in public if they can’t control themselves, I think we as members of society have a responsibility to not exploit / aggravate them - it’s quite dangerous to do so.

No one exploited Abigail Elphick. Her actions are her own, mental illness or not. One should expect to be filmed in public in this day and age. And if you're bothered by that fact, behave like you don't want your poor behavior memorialized forever. If you can't control yourself, then you should not go out in public. You don't get a pass to hit someone, harass them, or be rude - just because of your mental illness.

Yikes. I can understand when doing something like a ribbon cutting, but should we expect to be filmed when doing our private errands?

Uh, yes? Stores have cameras. Shopping centers have camera. There is no assumption of privacy, unless you're in a changing room or something. When you're in public... it's public.

There is a difference between security cameras and some jacka** with a phone who films you against your will and posts it on social media. Huge difference. The filmer in this case deserves to be sued. She's a fraud looking to exploit race relations and a mentally ill woman to pad her wallet. She is disgusting.

Mmmhmmm. Because "trust security" with no audio has worked out so well for the brown and black people in this country. No. Film. Protect yourself and take matters into your own hands.

White women are mad that they are losing their privilege whereby historically they have always been presumptively sympathetic figures and protected. This type of behavior is nasty work. Expose it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As the mother of kids with disabilities, the woman's behavior may be explained by her disability, it does not excuse it.

Does having a breakdown caused by the fact that she is moderately autistic (yes, I know this as a fact as a relative who's known her all her life) with depression and anxiety merit her and her entire family receiving death and rape threats for years?

If you say "yes", you are revolting.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw the video taken before this where the white woman chased her around the store shouting “you’re assaulting me!” It was actually nuts. I am on the black woman’s side.

I did too. The black woman clearly filmed to protect herself against crazy accusations. Good for her.

Who would have been believed without video footage?

Why didn't she just walk away? She was exascerbating the situation by continuing to record an obviously mentally ill person. Clearly for her Youtube channel and money. Disgusting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Says she has mental illness and her disability contributed to her behavior, which was filmed and went viral.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12559355/Victoria-Secret-Karen-abigail-elphick-meltdown-video.html

Interesting twist and a useful reminder that the impulse to film everything and, worse, distribute it in the hope of vigilante justice, is rife with legal risk.

You clearly misunderstand what is going on here. I am more likely to record people because of the crazy. It is not illegal to do so and a person has no right to assault another person. Slapping someone's phone out of their hand is assault.

I support disabled people and am an active advocate for them. Her disability did not make her treat the other shopper the way she did and it did not make her hit that woman.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As the mother of kids with disabilities, the woman's behavior may be explained by her disability, it does not excuse it.

Does having a breakdown caused by the fact that she is moderately autistic (yes, I know this as a fact as a relative who's known her all her life) with depression and anxiety merit her and her entire family receiving death and rape threats for years?

If you say "yes", you are revolting.

No, it doesn't.

But that's also not what this story is about, and you've either intentionally or unintentionally misrepresented the story.

Having a disability doesn't exempt you from being a decent human being in public, or repercussions from awful behavior. If you're prone to "breakdowns" in public that subject others to mistreatment, then you don't go in public. Period.

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever disabilities one has, they don't exempt you from civility or consequence. If your mental illness prevents you from being cordial with people in public, then you should refrain from going in public. Or, you accept the consequences of your behavior. I'm tired of people using mental illness as an excuse for crappy behavior.

Behave like you're being filmed at all times, and people would be a lot more decent with one another.

Your post is contradicts itself, because most reasonable people understand that it is neither civil nor to decent to film other people even if they are *gasp* in public.

Go clutch your pearls elsewhere. The white woman was the aggressor and would not leave the black woman alone. The white woman is also manipulative as h3ll. She knew she crossed the line when she hit the other woman and then went in to the biggest adult baby entitled fit I have ever seen. It was all fake so she could claim mental illness. Again and again she lies and says the black woman won't leave her alone and is attacking her as she, the white lady, is aggressively chasing the black woman around the store. The black woman had to film so she wouldn't be arrested. The people on the post criticizing the black woman are racist trash.

If you harass me, I am going to film you because people lie. Innocent people, particularly people of color, have been arrested for centuries based on lies told by people who harassed or assaulted them.

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Anonymous wrote:Like so many others, I saw all the videos associate with this incident and think the black woman was in the wrong. Sure, you can video to protect yourself if there’s a lack of clarity in what occurred. But to post the video online, act like a victim and raise money? That’s so dumb when you can see this white woman is disabled, mentally unwell, and frankly wasn’t even the aggressor in this situation. Trying to slap the phone out of the black woman's hand was not ideal but was also not assault. I’ve seen many of these “Karen” videos in the past where the “Karen” was at fault, but this one I cannot agree with.

Oh come on! Anytime you put your hands on another person, unwarranted, it is considered assault. Hell, throwing water on a person is also considered assault.

Any reasonable person who feels threatened in public has a right to record what is happening. In fact, no one should have the reasonable expectation for privacy in a public forum. Anyone can record any person whenever and wherever they choose, no matter if the person “gives permission”.

So take it to the police. Why make it public? It wasn’t like she was injured.

because it's an outrageous event.

No one in the store did anything to help the black woman. They should have called security immediately when the white woman started acting crazy and definitely should have called when she hit the other woman. They asked the victim to leave not the nut job who was violent. If she had left, she'd know the cops would be looking for her because they would have only had the white woman's word and you know she was going to lie and say she had been assaulted. If I had been there I would have called the police, not mall security. If the crazy woman had been black and the other woman white, everyone would have been all over themselves looking out for the white woman and we know the black woman would have been arrested and in jail. It speaks volumes that none of these people looked out for the real victim. Black people are used to this.

Also people of color are tired af of being treated this way. If some crazy fool decides to unload upon them all of you expect the person of color to just take it and leave the area so the rest of you can continue your life of privilege.

All of them deserve to be sued.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This white woman assaulted a black woman and then tried to make herself look like the victim to protect herself from the ramifications of the assault she committed. This has been going on for centuries. Which is a huge part of why the recording was made -- it's pretty clear that that woman's meltdown was self-protective and that she -- the aggressor here -- would look to the police for "protection." With this kind of she said/she said and the racism shown by police departments? Hell yes, get out the phone and record.

I have a serious mental illness myself, and I have zero sympathy for this bs. Zero.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:As the mother of kids with disabilities, the woman's behavior may be explained by her disability, it does not excuse it.

Does having a breakdown caused by the fact that she is moderately autistic (yes, I know this as a fact as a relative who's known her all her life) with depression and anxiety merit her and her entire family receiving death and rape threats for years?

If you say "yes", you are revolting.

No, it doesn't.

But that's also not what this story is about, and you've either intentionally or unintentionally misrepresented the story.

Having a disability doesn't exempt you from being a decent human being in public, or repercussions from awful behavior. If you're prone to "breakdowns" in public that subject others to mistreatment, then you don't go in public. Period.

So much for inclusivity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:However mentally ill you are, you are not excused from harassing or touching someone else. If your mental illness makes you a problem in public, then you don't go in public. Period.

I am firmly on the side of the woman filming. Too many people use mental illness to get away with shit. I'm sorry if you're struggling and hope that you are able to have things under control at some point, but the point at which your mental illness can affect others, is a firm red line.

Do we have to be on one side or the other? I think I’m “team no one”. I agree that you cannot touch someone else - that crosses a line and the woman filming may have started out filming for her own protection / documentation. But she then took it too far. Just like the mentally I’ll shouldn’t be in public if they can’t control themselves, I think we as members of society have a responsibility to not exploit / aggravate them - it’s quite dangerous to do so.

No one exploited Abigail Elphick. Her actions are her own, mental illness or not. One should expect to be filmed in public in this day and age. And if you're bothered by that fact, behave like you don't want your poor behavior memorialized forever. If you can't control yourself, then you should not go out in public. You don't get a pass to hit someone, harass them, or be rude - just because of your mental illness.

By exploit I mean uploading a video for views / go fund me money. I can understand taking a video of a mentally I’ll person, for your own protection. I can understand handing that over to the cops to assist prosecution. But why upload it to the internet for all to see? I understand that is legally permissible, but why do it? To shame her? To make money off the encounter? To get sympathy? That’s what I meant by “exploit.”

I'd be so outraged I would post it. It wasn't just the crazy white woman who was the problem. It documented very clearly how no one cared about the black woman and how she was treated as if she was at fault. The white woman was a manipulative lying danger and no one asked her to leave. Even mall security didn't handle the situation appropriately. It needed to be shared so people would see how a black woman dealing with a violent crazy lying nut was not helped and was made out to be the problem. She had every right to film and she had every right to share this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:However mentally ill you are, you are not excused from harassing or touching someone else. If your mental illness makes you a problem in public, then you don't go in public. Period.

I am firmly on the side of the woman filming. Too many people use mental illness to get away with shit. I'm sorry if you're struggling and hope that you are able to have things under control at some point, but the point at which your mental illness can affect others, is a firm red line.

Do we have to be on one side or the other? I think I’m “team no one”. I agree that you cannot touch someone else - that crosses a line and the woman filming may have started out filming for her own protection / documentation. But she then took it too far. Just like the mentally I’ll shouldn’t be in public if they can’t control themselves, I think we as members of society have a responsibility to not exploit / aggravate them - it’s quite dangerous to do so.

No one exploited Abigail Elphick. Her actions are her own, mental illness or not. One should expect to be filmed in public in this day and age. And if you're bothered by that fact, behave like you don't want your poor behavior memorialized forever. If you can't control yourself, then you should not go out in public. You don't get a pass to hit someone, harass them, or be rude - just because of your mental illness.

By exploit I mean uploading a video for views / go fund me money. I can understand taking a video of a mentally I’ll person, for your own protection. I can understand handing that over to the cops to assist prosecution. But why upload it to the internet for all to see? I understand that is legally permissible, but why do it? To shame her? To make money off the encounter? To get sympathy? That’s what I meant by “exploit.”

She deserves sympathy you fool. How safe do you think she felt ever going back to that mall. She had to be stunned by the lack of care and concern the store employees and other shoppers had for her. You don't get it because at heart you are racist too if you have more sympathy for that manipulative, entitled nut.