Victoria’s Secret “Karen” sues, says she is the victim

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Anonymous wrote:As the mother of kids with disabilities, the woman's behavior may be explained by her disability, it does not excuse it.

Does having a breakdown caused by the fact that she is moderately autistic (yes, I know this as a fact as a relative who's known her all her life) with depression and anxiety merit her and her entire family receiving death and rape threats for years?

If you say "yes", you are revolting.

I’m so sorry!

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Anonymous wrote:However mentally ill you are, you are not excused from harassing or touching someone else. If your mental illness makes you a problem in public, then you don't go in public. Period.

I am firmly on the side of the woman filming. Too many people use mental illness to get away with shit. I'm sorry if you're struggling and hope that you are able to have things under control at some point, but the point at which your mental illness can affect others, is a firm red line.

Do we have to be on one side or the other? I think I’m “team no one”. I agree that you cannot touch someone else - that crosses a line and the woman filming may have started out filming for her own protection / documentation. But she then took it too far. Just like the mentally I’ll shouldn’t be in public if they can’t control themselves, I think we as members of society have a responsibility to not exploit / aggravate them - it’s quite dangerous to do so.

No one exploited Abigail Elphick. Her actions are her own, mental illness or not. One should expect to be filmed in public in this day and age. And if you're bothered by that fact, behave like you don't want your poor behavior memorialized forever. If you can't control yourself, then you should not go out in public. You don't get a pass to hit someone, harass them, or be rude - just because of your mental illness.

Yikes. I can understand when doing something like a ribbon cutting, but should we expect to be filmed when doing our private errands?

Uh, yes? Stores have cameras. Shopping centers have camera. There is no assumption of privacy, unless you're in a changing room or something. When you're in public... it's public.

There is a difference between security cameras and some jacka** with a phone who films you against your will and posts it on social media. Huge difference. The filmer in this case deserves to be sued. She's a fraud looking to exploit race relations and a mentally ill woman to pad her wallet. She is disgusting.

You're a disgusting racist. The mentally ill woman is a manipulative faker.

Are we seeing the same video? The woman filming is sadistically enjoying provoking that crazy person. You can hear in her voice that she is enjoying causing someone else pain.

You are a liar like the white woman in the film. You think if you keep repeating the same lie, people will begin to believe it.

The black woman was NOT provoking the white woman. The white woman would not leave the black woman alone.

There is 3 minutes of video followed by another 7 minutes that says the filmer was provoking the crazy woman.

Everyone's focused on the person being filmed, but missing how sadistic the filmer is. Perfect storm here when a crazy drama karen meets a sadistic influencer karen.

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I think it's pretty telling that the filmer sued the Victoria's Secret, alleging that the workers didn't protect her! As a former retail worker, I can tell you these workers are not highly paid or trained for such volatile scenarios. They are trained to run the cash register and say, "Have a nice day."

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Anonymous wrote:However mentally ill you are, you are not excused from harassing or touching someone else. If your mental illness makes you a problem in public, then you don't go in public. Period.

I am firmly on the side of the woman filming. Too many people use mental illness to get away with shit. I'm sorry if you're struggling and hope that you are able to have things under control at some point, but the point at which your mental illness can affect others, is a firm red line.

Do we have to be on one side or the other? I think I’m “team no one”. I agree that you cannot touch someone else - that crosses a line and the woman filming may have started out filming for her own protection / documentation. But she then took it too far. Just like the mentally I’ll shouldn’t be in public if they can’t control themselves, I think we as members of society have a responsibility to not exploit / aggravate them - it’s quite dangerous to do so.

No one exploited Abigail Elphick. Her actions are her own, mental illness or not. One should expect to be filmed in public in this day and age. And if you're bothered by that fact, behave like you don't want your poor behavior memorialized forever. If you can't control yourself, then you should not go out in public. You don't get a pass to hit someone, harass them, or be rude - just because of your mental illness.

Yikes. I can understand when doing something like a ribbon cutting, but should we expect to be filmed when doing our private errands?

Uh, yes? Stores have cameras. Shopping centers have camera. There is no assumption of privacy, unless you're in a changing room or something. When you're in public... it's public.

There is a difference between security cameras and some jacka** with a phone who films you against your will and posts it on social media. Huge difference. The filmer in this case deserves to be sued. She's a fraud looking to exploit race relations and a mentally ill woman to pad her wallet. She is disgusting.

You're a disgusting racist. The mentally ill woman is a manipulative faker.

Are we seeing the same video? The woman filming is sadistically enjoying provoking that crazy person. You can hear in her voice that she is enjoying causing someone else pain.

You are a liar like the white woman in the film. You think if you keep repeating the same lie, people will begin to believe it.

The black woman was NOT provoking the white woman. The white woman would not leave the black woman alone.

The black woman started it telling her to get away 6 ft. Leave people alone.

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Anonymous wrote:However mentally ill you are, you are not excused from harassing or touching someone else. If your mental illness makes you a problem in public, then you don't go in public. Period.

I am firmly on the side of the woman filming. Too many people use mental illness to get away with shit. I'm sorry if you're struggling and hope that you are able to have things under control at some point, but the point at which your mental illness can affect others, is a firm red line.

Do we have to be on one side or the other? I think I’m “team no one”. I agree that you cannot touch someone else - that crosses a line and the woman filming may have started out filming for her own protection / documentation. But she then took it too far. Just like the mentally I’ll shouldn’t be in public if they can’t control themselves, I think we as members of society have a responsibility to not exploit / aggravate them - it’s quite dangerous to do so.

No one exploited Abigail Elphick. Her actions are her own, mental illness or not. One should expect to be filmed in public in this day and age. And if you're bothered by that fact, behave like you don't want your poor behavior memorialized forever. If you can't control yourself, then you should not go out in public. You don't get a pass to hit someone, harass them, or be rude - just because of your mental illness.

Yikes. I can understand when doing something like a ribbon cutting, but should we expect to be filmed when doing our private errands?

Uh, yes? Stores have cameras. Shopping centers have camera. There is no assumption of privacy, unless you're in a changing room or something. When you're in public... it's public.

There is a difference between security cameras and some jacka** with a phone who films you against your will and posts it on social media. Huge difference. The filmer in this case deserves to be sued. She's a fraud looking to exploit race relations and a mentally ill woman to pad her wallet. She is disgusting.

You're a disgusting racist. The mentally ill woman is a manipulative faker.

Are we seeing the same video? The woman filming is sadistically enjoying provoking that crazy person. You can hear in her voice that she is enjoying causing someone else pain.

You are a liar like the white woman in the film. You think if you keep repeating the same lie, people will begin to believe it.

The black woman was NOT provoking the white woman. The white woman would not leave the black woman alone.

The woman filming is the Karen in this incident

Your Karen meter is broken and needs recalibration.

Black karen got what she deserved by provoking and harassing someone in public. Live and learn.

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Anonymous wrote:However mentally ill you are, you are not excused from harassing or touching someone else. If your mental illness makes you a problem in public, then you don't go in public. Period.

I am firmly on the side of the woman filming. Too many people use mental illness to get away with shit. I'm sorry if you're struggling and hope that you are able to have things under control at some point, but the point at which your mental illness can affect others, is a firm red line.

Do we have to be on one side or the other? I think I’m “team no one”. I agree that you cannot touch someone else - that crosses a line and the woman filming may have started out filming for her own protection / documentation. But she then took it too far. Just like the mentally I’ll shouldn’t be in public if they can’t control themselves, I think we as members of society have a responsibility to not exploit / aggravate them - it’s quite dangerous to do so.

No one exploited Abigail Elphick. Her actions are her own, mental illness or not. One should expect to be filmed in public in this day and age. And if you're bothered by that fact, behave like you don't want your poor behavior memorialized forever. If you can't control yourself, then you should not go out in public. You don't get a pass to hit someone, harass them, or be rude - just because of your mental illness.

Yikes. I can understand when doing something like a ribbon cutting, but should we expect to be filmed when doing our private errands?

Uh, yes? Stores have cameras. Shopping centers have camera. There is no assumption of privacy, unless you're in a changing room or something. When you're in public... it's public.

There is a difference between security cameras and some jacka** with a phone who films you against your will and posts it on social media. Huge difference. The filmer in this case deserves to be sued. She's a fraud looking to exploit race relations and a mentally ill woman to pad her wallet. She is disgusting.

You're a disgusting racist. The mentally ill woman is a manipulative faker.

Are we seeing the same video? The woman filming is sadistically enjoying provoking that crazy person. You can hear in her voice that she is enjoying causing someone else pain.

You are a liar like the white woman in the film. You think if you keep repeating the same lie, people will begin to believe it.

The black woman was NOT provoking the white woman. The white woman would not leave the black woman alone.

The woman filming is the Karen in this incident

Your Karen meter is broken and needs recalibration.

Black karen got what she deserved by provoking and harassing someone in public. Live and learn.

She deserved a big payday?

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Anonymous wrote:However mentally ill you are, you are not excused from harassing or touching someone else. If your mental illness makes you a problem in public, then you don't go in public. Period.

I am firmly on the side of the woman filming. Too many people use mental illness to get away with shit. I'm sorry if you're struggling and hope that you are able to have things under control at some point, but the point at which your mental illness can affect others, is a firm red line.

Do we have to be on one side or the other? I think I’m “team no one”. I agree that you cannot touch someone else - that crosses a line and the woman filming may have started out filming for her own protection / documentation. But she then took it too far. Just like the mentally I’ll shouldn’t be in public if they can’t control themselves, I think we as members of society have a responsibility to not exploit / aggravate them - it’s quite dangerous to do so.

No one exploited Abigail Elphick. Her actions are her own, mental illness or not. One should expect to be filmed in public in this day and age. And if you're bothered by that fact, behave like you don't want your poor behavior memorialized forever. If you can't control yourself, then you should not go out in public. You don't get a pass to hit someone, harass them, or be rude - just because of your mental illness.

Yikes. I can understand when doing something like a ribbon cutting, but should we expect to be filmed when doing our private errands?

Uh, yes? Stores have cameras. Shopping centers have camera. There is no assumption of privacy, unless you're in a changing room or something. When you're in public... it's public.

There is a difference between security cameras and some jacka** with a phone who films you against your will and posts it on social media. Huge difference. The filmer in this case deserves to be sued. She's a fraud looking to exploit race relations and a mentally ill woman to pad her wallet. She is disgusting.

You're a disgusting racist. The mentally ill woman is a manipulative faker.

Are we seeing the same video? The woman filming is sadistically enjoying provoking that crazy person. You can hear in her voice that she is enjoying causing someone else pain.

You are a liar like the white woman in the film. You think if you keep repeating the same lie, people will begin to believe it.

The black woman was NOT provoking the white woman. The white woman would not leave the black woman alone.

The woman filming is the Karen in this incident

Your Karen meter is broken and needs recalibration.

Black karen got what she deserved by provoking and harassing someone in public. Live and learn.

You are alien. No such thing as a Black Karen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Says she has mental illness and her disability contributed to her behavior, which was filmed and went viral.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12559355/Victoria-Secret-Karen-abigail-elphick-meltdown-video.html

Interesting twist and a useful reminder that the impulse to film everything and, worse, distribute it in the hope of vigilante justice, is rife with legal risk.

I wish she would’ve ….crazy my a crooked letter crooked letter.

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Anonymous wrote:However mentally ill you are, you are not excused from harassing or touching someone else. If your mental illness makes you a problem in public, then you don't go in public. Period.

I am firmly on the side of the woman filming. Too many people use mental illness to get away with shit. I'm sorry if you're struggling and hope that you are able to have things under control at some point, but the point at which your mental illness can affect others, is a firm red line.

Do we have to be on one side or the other? I think I’m “team no one”. I agree that you cannot touch someone else - that crosses a line and the woman filming may have started out filming for her own protection / documentation. But she then took it too far. Just like the mentally I’ll shouldn’t be in public if they can’t control themselves, I think we as members of society have a responsibility to not exploit / aggravate them - it’s quite dangerous to do so.

No one exploited Abigail Elphick. Her actions are her own, mental illness or not. One should expect to be filmed in public in this day and age. And if you're bothered by that fact, behave like you don't want your poor behavior memorialized forever. If you can't control yourself, then you should not go out in public. You don't get a pass to hit someone, harass them, or be rude - just because of your mental illness.

Yikes. I can understand when doing something like a ribbon cutting, but should we expect to be filmed when doing our private errands?

Uh, yes? Stores have cameras. Shopping centers have camera. There is no assumption of privacy, unless you're in a changing room or something. When you're in public... it's public.

There is a difference between security cameras and some jacka** with a phone who films you against your will and posts it on social media. Huge difference. The filmer in this case deserves to be sued. She's a fraud looking to exploit race relations and a mentally ill woman to pad her wallet. She is disgusting.

You're a disgusting racist. The mentally ill woman is a manipulative faker.

Are we seeing the same video? The woman filming is sadistically enjoying provoking that crazy person. You can hear in her voice that she is enjoying causing someone else pain.

You are a liar like the white woman in the film. You think if you keep repeating the same lie, people will begin to believe it.

The black woman was NOT provoking the white woman. The white woman would not leave the black woman alone.

The woman filming is the Karen in this incident

Your Karen meter is broken and needs recalibration.

Black karen got what she deserved by provoking and harassing someone in public. Live and learn.

She deserved a big payday?

She claimed nobody helped her and she was distraught. Oh well.

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Anonymous wrote:However mentally ill you are, you are not excused from harassing or touching someone else. If your mental illness makes you a problem in public, then you don't go in public. Period.

I am firmly on the side of the woman filming. Too many people use mental illness to get away with shit. I'm sorry if you're struggling and hope that you are able to have things under control at some point, but the point at which your mental illness can affect others, is a firm red line.

Do we have to be on one side or the other? I think I’m “team no one”. I agree that you cannot touch someone else - that crosses a line and the woman filming may have started out filming for her own protection / documentation. But she then took it too far. Just like the mentally I’ll shouldn’t be in public if they can’t control themselves, I think we as members of society have a responsibility to not exploit / aggravate them - it’s quite dangerous to do so.

No one exploited Abigail Elphick. Her actions are her own, mental illness or not. One should expect to be filmed in public in this day and age. And if you're bothered by that fact, behave like you don't want your poor behavior memorialized forever. If you can't control yourself, then you should not go out in public. You don't get a pass to hit someone, harass them, or be rude - just because of your mental illness.

Yikes. I can understand when doing something like a ribbon cutting, but should we expect to be filmed when doing our private errands?

Uh, yes? Stores have cameras. Shopping centers have camera. There is no assumption of privacy, unless you're in a changing room or something. When you're in public... it's public.

There is a difference between security cameras and some jacka** with a phone who films you against your will and posts it on social media. Huge difference. The filmer in this case deserves to be sued. She's a fraud looking to exploit race relations and a mentally ill woman to pad her wallet. She is disgusting.

You're a disgusting racist. The mentally ill woman is a manipulative faker.

Are we seeing the same video? The woman filming is sadistically enjoying provoking that crazy person. You can hear in her voice that she is enjoying causing someone else pain.

You are a liar like the white woman in the film. You think if you keep repeating the same lie, people will begin to believe it.

The black woman was NOT provoking the white woman. The white woman would not leave the black woman alone.

The woman filming is the Karen in this incident

Your Karen meter is broken and needs recalibration.

Black karen got what she deserved by provoking and harassing someone in public. Live and learn.

You are alien. No such thing as a Black Karen.

Lol. See this one. Bothering people trying to enforce fake rules. Leave people alone or you get what you get.

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Anonymous wrote:However mentally ill you are, you are not excused from harassing or touching someone else. If your mental illness makes you a problem in public, then you don't go in public. Period.

I am firmly on the side of the woman filming. Too many people use mental illness to get away with shit. I'm sorry if you're struggling and hope that you are able to have things under control at some point, but the point at which your mental illness can affect others, is a firm red line.

Do we have to be on one side or the other? I think I’m “team no one”. I agree that you cannot touch someone else - that crosses a line and the woman filming may have started out filming for her own protection / documentation. But she then took it too far. Just like the mentally I’ll shouldn’t be in public if they can’t control themselves, I think we as members of society have a responsibility to not exploit / aggravate them - it’s quite dangerous to do so.

No one exploited Abigail Elphick. Her actions are her own, mental illness or not. One should expect to be filmed in public in this day and age. And if you're bothered by that fact, behave like you don't want your poor behavior memorialized forever. If you can't control yourself, then you should not go out in public. You don't get a pass to hit someone, harass them, or be rude - just because of your mental illness.

Yikes. I can understand when doing something like a ribbon cutting, but should we expect to be filmed when doing our private errands?

Uh, yes? Stores have cameras. Shopping centers have camera. There is no assumption of privacy, unless you're in a changing room or something. When you're in public... it's public.

There is a difference between security cameras and some jacka** with a phone who films you against your will and posts it on social media. Huge difference. The filmer in this case deserves to be sued. She's a fraud looking to exploit race relations and a mentally ill woman to pad her wallet. She is disgusting.

You're a disgusting racist. The mentally ill woman is a manipulative faker.

Are we seeing the same video? The woman filming is sadistically enjoying provoking that crazy person. You can hear in her voice that she is enjoying causing someone else pain.

You are a liar like the white woman in the film. You think if you keep repeating the same lie, people will begin to believe it.

The black woman was NOT provoking the white woman. The white woman would not leave the black woman alone.

Yes she was provoking her. She knew it, she did it on purpose. She deserves to be called out and I wish people had done so while she was filming. ( to be clear - she does not deserve to be harassed online, or receive threatens of violence )Because a logical person with common sense, if the truly felt threatened would have left the store and not hung around and wouldn’t attempt to provoke the person.

[Anonymous]

So many people who hate that white privilege is on display for people to see.

If the races were reversed, the police would have been called at the start of the video and by the end of the video, the black mentally ill woman would have been in handcuffs on her way to jail. But here, people are sticking up for yet another abusive white person who hits a minority and claims to be the victim. Sickening.

It doesn't matter that the woman was on the spectrum. Being filmed is NOT provocation to assault another person. The mentally ill woman should not have been allowed to leave her communal home without an escort. At this point, the nicest thing would be to involuntarily commit her. She should be barred from leaving her group home without supervision because it is now proven that she cannot control herself. She might assault someone else over some other meaningless reason. She is known to be violent and should not be allowed in public without supervision.

The victim was absolutely correct to record the incident. Without video, white people walk all over minorities and then claim to be the victim. Even with the video, the white abuser is claiming to be the victim and people are siding with her. Minorities get absolutely no protection from the court of public opinion, so they need to video incidents to show how they are victimized. Here, a black woman is assaulted and you still have people who have seen the video trying to claim that the abuser in the victim and the victim in the abuser.

Such sickening racial bigotry.