Victoria’s Secret “Karen” sues, says she is the victim

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If black or other persons with less power want to film interactions for future potential protection, have at it.

But when you post it immediately after the encounter, at a time when you are aware that the person on the other side is mentally ill.... you're just a bad person.

Keep the video in case something from the encounter escalates and you need proof. But posting it is just trying to stir drama and get money. Not cool, when done off the pain of a person with a mental disability.

Also, the NYT article noted that the black woman in the encounter had a series of other videos posted on her account making accusations of racism or conflict at other stores. She's arguably a shit stirrer.

[Anonymous]

The articles seem to indicate the black woman started it when she asked the white woman to move away and give her space. This was during covid social distancing.

I think the consensus is the black woman was hoping to create an incident to go viral and bystanders realized the white woman was disabled.

[Anonymous]

The problem here is that the mentally ill person was potentially violent. Despite her mental illness, she should not have been allowed out of her communal home without a caretaker who could monitor her to make sure she didn't have an episode. It was completely negligent of whoever her guardian is to let her out without a caretaker for both her protection and the public's protection.

This women, while mentally ill, should still be held accountable for her actions. In this case, it was during Covid and at the checkout line, she was unmasked and closing in on her victim. The victim asked her to step back 6 feet (at the time, it was store policy). The aggressive white woman complained to the cashier. Knowing how these situations often unfold and to protect herself from racist accusations that she was in the wrong, the victim, the black woman, started filming. When she pulled out her phone, the white woman thought it was appropriate to slap the other woman's phone out of her hand because she didn't want to be filmed. She missed the phone and struck the victim. Then after the victim would not stop filming her, she chased the victim around the shop yelling "Get her away from me". That is not normal behavior. You can't yell "get away from me" while chasing someone around the store. Sorry, she could have stayed away or left herself instead of chasing her victim around the shop.

And the Victoria's Secret staff was definitely complicit here. They ultimately did step in between the women to stop the mentally ill aggressor from continuing to chase the victim, but they should have done so much earlier and should have called mall security to stop the white woman from continuing to chase the black woman around the store. And then to tell the victim that she needed to leave instead of telling the aggressor to leave was just inappropriate. I don't think either woman deserves anything from the other, but I think the black victim definitely deserves compensation from Victoria's Secret for letting this situation get out of hand and just ignoring the situation until they had to step in much too late.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The problem here is that the mentally ill person was potentially violent. Despite her mental illness, she should not have been allowed out of her communal home without a caretaker who could monitor her to make sure she didn't have an episode. It was completely negligent of whoever her guardian is to let her out without a caretaker for both her protection and the public's protection.

This women, while mentally ill, should still be held accountable for her actions. In this case, it was during Covid and at the checkout line, she was unmasked and closing in on her victim. The victim asked her to step back 6 feet (at the time, it was store policy). The aggressive white woman complained to the cashier. Knowing how these situations often unfold and to protect herself from racist accusations that she was in the wrong, the victim, the black woman, started filming. When she pulled out her phone, the white woman thought it was appropriate to slap the other woman's phone out of her hand because she didn't want to be filmed. She missed the phone and struck the victim. Then after the victim would not stop filming her, she chased the victim around the shop yelling "Get her away from me". That is not normal behavior. You can't yell "get away from me" while chasing someone around the store. Sorry, she could have stayed away or left herself instead of chasing her victim around the shop.

And the Victoria's Secret staff was definitely complicit here. They ultimately did step in between the women to stop the mentally ill aggressor from continuing to chase the victim, but they should have done so much earlier and should have called mall security to stop the white woman from continuing to chase the black woman around the store. And then to tell the victim that she needed to leave instead of telling the aggressor to leave was just inappropriate. I don't think either woman deserves anything from the other, but I think the black victim definitely deserves compensation from Victoria's Secret for letting this situation get out of hand and just ignoring the situation until they had to step in much too late.

She should not have been allowed out of her home? Do you hear yourself? I wonder if you said the same thing about Jordan Neely. You probably cried about that one instead of thinking too bad, so sad, where was his caretaker?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I saw the video taken before this where the white woman chased her around the store shouting “you’re assaulting me!” It was actually nuts. I am on the black woman’s side.

I posted this, wanted to add I watched it when it first happened 2 years ago. It seems the other video has been wiped from the internet. But sales associates had to literally step in so blondie wouldn’t attack her after she chased the woman filming her. This article is very very one sided.

No, it was not wiped from the Internet. It is on Youtube.

This one says Part 2. Where is a video that starts before the woman is on the ground shrieking?

[Anonymous]

Terrible. My son is on the spectrum and while he can look neurotypical at times, he can get dysregulated easily. Especially if someone is yelling at him saying he did something wrong. With autism you don’t always look like you have a disability so they don’t get the extra help and courtesy they need to exist in this world. This breaks my heart.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem here is that the mentally ill person was potentially violent. Despite her mental illness, she should not have been allowed out of her communal home without a caretaker who could monitor her to make sure she didn't have an episode. It was completely negligent of whoever her guardian is to let her out without a caretaker for both her protection and the public's protection.

This women, while mentally ill, should still be held accountable for her actions. In this case, it was during Covid and at the checkout line, she was unmasked and closing in on her victim. The victim asked her to step back 6 feet (at the time, it was store policy). The aggressive white woman complained to the cashier. Knowing how these situations often unfold and to protect herself from racist accusations that she was in the wrong, the victim, the black woman, started filming. When she pulled out her phone, the white woman thought it was appropriate to slap the other woman's phone out of her hand because she didn't want to be filmed. She missed the phone and struck the victim. Then after the victim would not stop filming her, she chased the victim around the shop yelling "Get her away from me". That is not normal behavior. You can't yell "get away from me" while chasing someone around the store. Sorry, she could have stayed away or left herself instead of chasing her victim around the shop.

And the Victoria's Secret staff was definitely complicit here. They ultimately did step in between the women to stop the mentally ill aggressor from continuing to chase the victim, but they should have done so much earlier and should have called mall security to stop the white woman from continuing to chase the black woman around the store. And then to tell the victim that she needed to leave instead of telling the aggressor to leave was just inappropriate. I don't think either woman deserves anything from the other, but I think the black victim definitely deserves compensation from Victoria's Secret for letting this situation get out of hand and just ignoring the situation until they had to step in much too late.

She should not have been allowed out of her home? Do you hear yourself? I wonder if you said the same thing about Jordan Neely. You probably cried about that one instead of thinking too bad, so sad, where was his caretaker?

I said she should not be allowed out unattended. She clearly needs a caretaker to help her navigate being out in public.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem here is that the mentally ill person was potentially violent. Despite her mental illness, she should not have been allowed out of her communal home without a caretaker who could monitor her to make sure she didn't have an episode. It was completely negligent of whoever her guardian is to let her out without a caretaker for both her protection and the public's protection.

This women, while mentally ill, should still be held accountable for her actions. In this case, it was during Covid and at the checkout line, she was unmasked and closing in on her victim. The victim asked her to step back 6 feet (at the time, it was store policy). The aggressive white woman complained to the cashier. Knowing how these situations often unfold and to protect herself from racist accusations that she was in the wrong, the victim, the black woman, started filming. When she pulled out her phone, the white woman thought it was appropriate to slap the other woman's phone out of her hand because she didn't want to be filmed. She missed the phone and struck the victim. Then after the victim would not stop filming her, she chased the victim around the shop yelling "Get her away from me". That is not normal behavior. You can't yell "get away from me" while chasing someone around the store. Sorry, she could have stayed away or left herself instead of chasing her victim around the shop.

And the Victoria's Secret staff was definitely complicit here. They ultimately did step in between the women to stop the mentally ill aggressor from continuing to chase the victim, but they should have done so much earlier and should have called mall security to stop the white woman from continuing to chase the black woman around the store. And then to tell the victim that she needed to leave instead of telling the aggressor to leave was just inappropriate. I don't think either woman deserves anything from the other, but I think the black victim definitely deserves compensation from Victoria's Secret for letting this situation get out of hand and just ignoring the situation until they had to step in much too late.

She should not have been allowed out of her home? Do you hear yourself? I wonder if you said the same thing about Jordan Neely. You probably cried about that one instead of thinking too bad, so sad, where was his caretaker?

I said she should not be allowed out unattended. She clearly needs a caretaker to help her navigate being out in public.

That really isn't a thing. If it ever was, it isn't now. And I'm not at all sure it ever was.

It's up to you to tolerate others, not for others to be tolerable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem here is that the mentally ill person was potentially violent. Despite her mental illness, she should not have been allowed out of her communal home without a caretaker who could monitor her to make sure she didn't have an episode. It was completely negligent of whoever her guardian is to let her out without a caretaker for both her protection and the public's protection.

This women, while mentally ill, should still be held accountable for her actions. In this case, it was during Covid and at the checkout line, she was unmasked and closing in on her victim. The victim asked her to step back 6 feet (at the time, it was store policy). The aggressive white woman complained to the cashier. Knowing how these situations often unfold and to protect herself from racist accusations that she was in the wrong, the victim, the black woman, started filming. When she pulled out her phone, the white woman thought it was appropriate to slap the other woman's phone out of her hand because she didn't want to be filmed. She missed the phone and struck the victim. Then after the victim would not stop filming her, she chased the victim around the shop yelling "Get her away from me". That is not normal behavior. You can't yell "get away from me" while chasing someone around the store. Sorry, she could have stayed away or left herself instead of chasing her victim around the shop.

And the Victoria's Secret staff was definitely complicit here. They ultimately did step in between the women to stop the mentally ill aggressor from continuing to chase the victim, but they should have done so much earlier and should have called mall security to stop the white woman from continuing to chase the black woman around the store. And then to tell the victim that she needed to leave instead of telling the aggressor to leave was just inappropriate. I don't think either woman deserves anything from the other, but I think the black victim definitely deserves compensation from Victoria's Secret for letting this situation get out of hand and just ignoring the situation until they had to step in much too late.

She should not have been allowed out of her home? Do you hear yourself? I wonder if you said the same thing about Jordan Neely. You probably cried about that one instead of thinking too bad, so sad, where was his caretaker?

I said she should not be allowed out unattended. She clearly needs a caretaker to help her navigate being out in public.

That really isn't a thing. If it ever was, it isn't now. And I'm not at all sure it ever was.

It's up to you to tolerate others, not for others to be tolerable.

In that case, then they need to be held responsible when they assault other people. And just because she doesn't want to be videotaped, does not give her a right to slap another person.

You can't say that they can go out unescorted and then say that they are not responsible for their own actions. Sorry, but no one gets to act that way without consequences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem here is that the mentally ill person was potentially violent. Despite her mental illness, she should not have been allowed out of her communal home without a caretaker who could monitor her to make sure she didn't have an episode. It was completely negligent of whoever her guardian is to let her out without a caretaker for both her protection and the public's protection.

This women, while mentally ill, should still be held accountable for her actions. In this case, it was during Covid and at the checkout line, she was unmasked and closing in on her victim. The victim asked her to step back 6 feet (at the time, it was store policy). The aggressive white woman complained to the cashier. Knowing how these situations often unfold and to protect herself from racist accusations that she was in the wrong, the victim, the black woman, started filming. When she pulled out her phone, the white woman thought it was appropriate to slap the other woman's phone out of her hand because she didn't want to be filmed. She missed the phone and struck the victim. Then after the victim would not stop filming her, she chased the victim around the shop yelling "Get her away from me". That is not normal behavior. You can't yell "get away from me" while chasing someone around the store. Sorry, she could have stayed away or left herself instead of chasing her victim around the shop.

And the Victoria's Secret staff was definitely complicit here. They ultimately did step in between the women to stop the mentally ill aggressor from continuing to chase the victim, but they should have done so much earlier and should have called mall security to stop the white woman from continuing to chase the black woman around the store. And then to tell the victim that she needed to leave instead of telling the aggressor to leave was just inappropriate. I don't think either woman deserves anything from the other, but I think the black victim definitely deserves compensation from Victoria's Secret for letting this situation get out of hand and just ignoring the situation until they had to step in much too late.

She should not have been allowed out of her home? Do you hear yourself? I wonder if you said the same thing about Jordan Neely. You probably cried about that one instead of thinking too bad, so sad, where was his caretaker?

I said she should not be allowed out unattended. She clearly needs a caretaker to help her navigate being out in public.

That really isn't a thing. If it ever was, it isn't now. And I'm not at all sure it ever was.

It's up to you to tolerate others, not for others to be tolerable.

In that case, then they need to be held responsible when they assault other people. And just because she doesn't want to be videotaped, does not give her a right to slap another person.

You can't say that they can go out unescorted and then say that they are not responsible for their own actions. Sorry, but no one gets to act that way without consequences.

What kind of consequences would be fair to you in this case? Public humiliation? Arrest?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem here is that the mentally ill person was potentially violent. Despite her mental illness, she should not have been allowed out of her communal home without a caretaker who could monitor her to make sure she didn't have an episode. It was completely negligent of whoever her guardian is to let her out without a caretaker for both her protection and the public's protection.

This women, while mentally ill, should still be held accountable for her actions. In this case, it was during Covid and at the checkout line, she was unmasked and closing in on her victim. The victim asked her to step back 6 feet (at the time, it was store policy). The aggressive white woman complained to the cashier. Knowing how these situations often unfold and to protect herself from racist accusations that she was in the wrong, the victim, the black woman, started filming. When she pulled out her phone, the white woman thought it was appropriate to slap the other woman's phone out of her hand because she didn't want to be filmed. She missed the phone and struck the victim. Then after the victim would not stop filming her, she chased the victim around the shop yelling "Get her away from me". That is not normal behavior. You can't yell "get away from me" while chasing someone around the store. Sorry, she could have stayed away or left herself instead of chasing her victim around the shop.

And the Victoria's Secret staff was definitely complicit here. They ultimately did step in between the women to stop the mentally ill aggressor from continuing to chase the victim, but they should have done so much earlier and should have called mall security to stop the white woman from continuing to chase the black woman around the store. And then to tell the victim that she needed to leave instead of telling the aggressor to leave was just inappropriate. I don't think either woman deserves anything from the other, but I think the black victim definitely deserves compensation from Victoria's Secret for letting this situation get out of hand and just ignoring the situation until they had to step in much too late.

She should not have been allowed out of her home? Do you hear yourself? I wonder if you said the same thing about Jordan Neely. You probably cried about that one instead of thinking too bad, so sad, where was his caretaker?

I said she should not be allowed out unattended. She clearly needs a caretaker to help her navigate being out in public.

That really isn't a thing. If it ever was, it isn't now. And I'm not at all sure it ever was.

It's up to you to tolerate others, not for others to be tolerable.

In that case, then they need to be held responsible when they assault other people. And just because she doesn't want to be videotaped, does not give her a right to slap another person.

You can't say that they can go out unescorted and then say that they are not responsible for their own actions. Sorry, but no one gets to act that way without consequences.

Correct if you are a white person. This logic gets twisted on its head if it a minority, just saying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What prompted the white woman to approach the black woman and try to slap her camera to get her to stop filming?

The black woman was clearly trying to escalate the situation in an attempt to create a viral Karen situation and a payday.

Apparently it worked! $100k+ via go fund me…for what exactly?

She bullied a mentally ill woman.

I hope the white lady gets relief from the court. Nobody is safe if any person can whip out a camera phone and provoke a response with the goal of going viral and getting a payday. Enough already!

There’s no case as there’s no expectation of privacy while in a public place. Only one person was assaulted and that ain’t Elphick.

Neither was assaulted.

People with disabilities should be protected, not publicly victimized.

Ask yourself if that grown woman recording while clearly trying to escalate would have been within her rights had it been a teenager or someone with Downs Syndrome.

That woman got her payday. What more does she want?

And what does the black community think of this? Are they cool with her equating this to “that’s how black people get killed”? Are they cool with her obvious attempt to provoke an incident to go viral and “get paid”?

So embarrassing.

As the self appointed representative of all black people I have no opinion and I am not embarrassed. Thanks for asking.

[Anonymous]

These videos are really reaching a point of absurdism.

If the woman has a mental disability (and given that she lives in disability house and has a diagnosed issue, I think she does), then her behavior can be explained by that disability.

That doesn't mean her behavior is awesome and we all approve. It just means that her disability goes a long way to describe what otherwise looks like irrational behavior. She has an anxiety disorder that was triggered when someone started filming her, she asked the woman to stop filming her, it escalated. Watching the video with that context, I feel the disability explains the entire thing. Ok, this is someone who is troubled and struggles with appropriate reactions, who was triggered.

But if her behavior is explained by her disability, then ipso facto, she's not a racist Karen. Her behavior isn't okay or allowable, but it was caused by her disability, not racial animus. She was upset about being filmed, period, and I do not think it was the fact that a black woman was filming her that was the issue. She was freaking out over being on camera, and it didn't matter who had the camera.

And if her behavior was caused by her disability, and not racism or a desire to endanger the life of a black woman through a false accusation, then posting this video online and calling this woman a racist Karen is both morally wrong and, also, potentially libelous.

The idea that we would sit around debating the behavior in the videos is silly. We have eyes, we see this woman having some kind of breakdown and sometimes chasing the videographer around the store or trying to slap the phone out of her hands -- all not great! The question is WHY she is doing that, and it turns out it's because she has a mental disability. Case closed. Not a racist Karen incident.

Stop calling people racist just because they interacted with a black person and the interaction did not result in a job offer or reparations or something. People are freaking messy. Yes racism exists but it's not the ONLY thing that exists.

[Anonymous]

I’ve seen little 45lb black kindergarteners in Florida carted off in handcuffs for lesser dysregulation than this large adult woman displayed.

If this had been a black woman or a black man behaving this way in a store she would have been cuffed and thrown into a wagon and escorted to central lock up, charged with disorderly conduct, disturbing the peace, unlawful detainer, trespassing, making terroristic threats, and assault, mental illness be damned and no questions asked.

There but for the Grace of God though… the pandemic was hard on people, even now so many folks are teetering on the edge and walking around one sandwich short of a picnic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ve seen little 45lb black kindergarteners in Florida carted off in handcuffs for lesser dysregulation than this large adult woman displayed.

If this had been a black woman or a black man behaving this way in a store she would have been cuffed and thrown into a wagon and escorted to central lock up, charged with disorderly conduct, disturbing the peace, unlawful detainer, trespassing, making terroristic threats, and assault, mental illness be damned and no questions asked.

There but for the Grace of God though… the pandemic was hard on people, even now so many folks are teetering on the edge and walking around one sandwich short of a picnic.

For every kid not carted off in kindergarten countless more are tormenting their classmates by throwing chairs, choking, biting, hitting without a single consequence.