I think sometimes in this conversation, we need to make a distinction between "things about teaching that are hard or annoying" and "aspects of education that make teaching intolerable or not worth it." Now, if you want to talk about parents who harass teachers, try to insert themselves into classroom management, complain about normal things to administration, etc., I get it. A unique thing about teaching is this relationship you have with your students' parents, and while you don't work for them, you still have to deal with them. If they are awful and your administration doesn't back you up, that is a huge issue. Ideally teachers and parents should operate as partners in educating kids -- there should be mutual respect and collaboration. But complaining about a parent whose like "hey Jimmy cut up his knee pretty badly last night on his bike -- it's bandaged up but just wanted to let you know in case you complains about it or has any issues" is just petty. I get why getting a lot of emails like that would be annoying, because I have my own version of that in my own job. It cannot be the reason people are leaving the profession, and if it is, I think they will discover that almost any other job they get will have annoyances at a similar level. |
Why is it a problem if the kids are uneducated? I have a 1st grader and she's definitely uneducated. That's why I send her to school. |
In this thread we have a teacher telling you that's why they're thinking of leaving and a former teacher (who presumably has another job to compare) telling you it was a problem, so why do you think you know better? |
The simple answer is pay. They can work less, for more $, in the private sector. Why WOULD they want to teach? Loving kids, or loving your work etc (despite the problems) is not always enough. They have families to support too. Raise pay. Significantly.
That said (to address one of the comments): k-12 teaching will NEVER be a career that commonly offers options to work remotely. Ever ever ever. That is an incredibly unreasonable expectation. If you want to work from home, K-12 teaching is not the career for you. |
But if teachers are leaving the profession because of annoying emails from parents, that's just normal attrition from people who just don't like the job. Dealing with annoying emails from parents is part of teaching. It is not something that is going to change. It is not even unique to teaching, as many jobs involve getting annoying emails. That is different than larger policy issues that make teaching an undesirable job. Things like pay, lack of respect, poor administration or oversight, outdated and even dangerous facilities, lack of adequate funding to do their jobs well, etc. You have to learn to separate the inherently annoying but inevitable aspects of having a job (all jobs have annoying things) from the systemic or policy-related issues that might actually be addressed and fixed. I am sorry but there is no policy fix for "I don't like responding to sometimes annoying or lengthy emails from parents." |
I agree pay and benefits are the core issue. FWIW, we are in DCPS and it seems like even in our Title 1 school, they retain teachers really well. I know there is a pay bump for Title 1 teachers and I think it makes a difference. Some of the veteran teachers at our school make as much as 120k. That's a very good salary in the public sector -- there are engineers who make less, and even high level administrators who oversee large departments only make a bit more. So paying teachers well definitely helps with retention (and I'm betting also helps with job satisfaction -- it's easier to deal with annoying work stuff if you feel you are being well compensated). But I think the other key issue is administration. The number one complaint I hear from DCPS teachers is frustration with either Central Office or school administration, and the biggest issue is the feeling that the people setting policy, deciding on curriculum, determining schedules, etc., are checked out or don't really care about what is happening at the classroom level. So I think one concrete thing school districts could do to improve teacher retention is to hire more people with actual classroom experience into administration and support roles, and to do a better job of listening to teachers and responding to their feedback. Teachers should have a say in curriculum changes, and their input should be essential to other aspects of policy-making. |
+1000 if teachers think there's no annoying emails in the corporate sector that they will need to respond to, they are sorely mistaken. Also, I constantly hear "working outside of contract hours" as a reason they dislike the job. I don't know any corporate employee that doesn't. In fact, I go to my DD's activity several nights a week and there are a few moms that are teachers and they are NEVER working, but nearly every other working parent there is tethered to their laptop and cell phone. I just don't buy it. Now, issues like ill behaved children and lack of support from their admin... those seem much more valid reasons to quit. |
DCPS has some of the highest pay for teachers in the whole country, maybe the highest. DCPS also has terrible problems with retention, before the pandemic would regularly lose teachers who quit throughout the school year (which, before the pandemic, was unheard of almost everywhere else in the country). Pay is important but not the most important factor. |
I'm sorry you don't buy what the teachers in this thread are telling you about their lived experience. There's not much more they can do. |
No we are listening, we're just saying this is not something anyone can change and it's also just sort of part of the job. There is no teaching job that doesn't involve talking to parents (at least not at the K-12 level, and especially in elementary) and it is just a fact of life that some of those parents will be annoying. Similar issue with lack of flexibility and remote work options. It just is what it is. Teaching in a public school is never going to have that kind of flexibility. If that is something very important to you, you might need to look into online teaching gigs, which naturally pay less. It's just a reality. Teaching is an in-person job for the most part. I understand needing to complain about that stuff, but that's the kind of thing you complain about with fellow teachers when you need to blow off steam and kvetch about things unique to your job that are irritating. But they are not really useful in this conversation because no one is going to be able to change the in order to increase teacher retention. You aren't going to get some kind of school-wide or district-wide policy that bans parents from contacting teachers, you aren't going to get a hybrid work schedule. We are suggesting you focus on the things that are actually fixable. |
NP. But the things being complained about are pretty much present in every single profession. Long hours, “overtime”, annoying emails, using your own money and resources toward something to do to with your job. To me, these are standard issues every professional adult deals with at work. |
These things are fixable and would keep me in this job. If I didn’t have a kid in college, I would’ve quit years ago.
1) Ridiculous amount of testing. So many hours are wasted on this. If I’m testing, I’m not teaching. 2) Student behavior. If a student causes a disruption in a classroom and normal techniques don’t work in ending it, teachers should be allowed to have that child removed. The entire class shouldn’t be held hostage. 3) Curriculum. All teachers should meet and choose appropriate curriculum for their students. There should be flexibility because what works in one school or classroom doesn’t necessarily work everywhere. 4) Work load. If you want me to spend hours on administrative tasks like entering grades in some spreadsheet or platform, give me time other than my planning time to do it or hire us secretaries. 5) Anyone who comes in to observe better be an expert ready to give actual suggestions for improvement and be prepared to model them if needed. I’m tired of tons of suits coming in from central office to observe and then not know what they are talking about. 6) Adequate staffing. I’m shouldn’t have to sub for others because admin can’t find subs. Up the pay big time and fix it. That’s all for now. My brain is tired. |
I don't know of anyone who is leaving because of annoying emails. I agree with you. There are annoying emails or annoying things at every job. I suspect when people say that this is a big issue, what they really mean is this: The OTHER aspects of the job which are HUGE issues, the ones that demoralize people and endanger them, have so dragged them down to the point that they can no longer distinguish between what is merely annoying and what is a major issue. It's a straw that broke the camel's back kind of thing. When a couple gets divorced they might say it was because the wife finally had enough of his dirty socks lying around. But what she really means is he never helps her and is always going out drinking with his buddies, leaving her to raise the kids on her own while married and the annoying socks? That was the straw that broke the camel's back and now she's filing for divorce. Fellow teachers, it is okay to leave if you want to leave. Save yourself. Seriously. It is not on you to save the system or even to "save" children. I don't know what the U.S. is going to do, but it is okay to leave. I truly feel for all the families and children who are suffering or will suffer due to the shortage. I hope something works out for everyone. I think things are going to get much, much worse before they get better. |
This. All of this. |
This is such a thoughtful and action-oriented response. Thank you for taking the time to write it! |