Notre Dame reaffirms University’s commitment to legacy admissions after Supreme Court ruling

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Anonymous wrote:What this tells me is that ND doesn't even care about USNWR rankings. If they did, they would be trying to admit more people "of different backgrounds." Clearly they have no intention of adjusting to the whims of the USNWR methodology tweaks. This is what we love about ND...keep on doing what you do well and don't worry about perceptions.

What you really love about ND is that it is 65% white and happy keeping it that way. Like we don’t know what “different backgrounds” means.

Isn’t the country as a whole 70% white? That seems like a reasonable diversity number for ND, especially since they are mostly attracting Catholics, a religion not that popular among African-Americans and many Asian groups.

If you really believe that then you don’t need legacy admissions. The numbers should take care of themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get it. Surely someone who pays more, or shows devotion in other ways, is better. Why would they want to admit a legacy who doesn't donate, who taught their kids not donate?
Preferring legacy goes against that support for devotion, or is just cover to artificially split the Donor category into Donor and Legacy.

People are jealous, that's why.

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As a legacy family with one child who just graduated from ND and one in HS who really wants to attend, we are relieved.

As legacy admissions programs at elite universities face heightened scrutiny in the wake of the Supreme Court’s ruling striking down affirmative action in college admissions, Notre Dame reaffirmed the practice will continue to play a role in admissions.

Micki Kidder, vice president for undergraduate enrollment, explained in an interview with The Observer that legacy admissions are still important to Notre Dame going forward.

“Notre Dame alumni are deeply devoted to this place,” Kidder said. “I would argue it’s actually legendary within higher education, possibly unmatched within higher education … This dedication is something we greatly value and we don’t want to ignore it.”

As a legacy family with one child in high school and one in middle school, I am tremendously disappointed in my alma matre. Off to send yet another email to Fr Jenkins.

Father Jenkins cares about the donor families, not you.

There are many Catholic Asians. This isn’t about Asian discrimination. It’s about preserving the institution and the endowment.

Be practical for a minute…do you really think big universities could support niche fields and scholarship kids without them? Look at the complaints on the WVU thread where people are upset they are eliminating majors with literally 4 students. Why? They can’t afford the programs any more. ND is being responsible by keeping the cash flow coming in.

Oh, right. Their primary objective is money, rather than being true to their faith.

Sure, a college is a business, but ND should be honest about itself and not pretend to follow Christ's teaching.

They need to change their goals and vision:

In an effort to achieve its overall aspiration of becoming a preeminent research university with a distinctive Catholic mission and an unsurpassed undergraduate education, the University of Notre Dame strives to meet five institutional goals:

Ensure that our Catholic character informs all our endeavors

Should read:

In an effort to achieve its overall aspiration of becoming a preeminent research university with a distinctive *keep the cash flow coming*, and an unsurpassed undergraduate education, the University of Notre Dame strives to meet five institutional goals:

Ensure that our *cash flow* informs all our endeavors

https://iris.nd.edu/university-strategic-plan/university-vision-and-goals/

Again, be realistic. ND needs money to do all the things it does for people of faith. If they stop caring about the future of the endowment, there will be no charitable works, scholarship students, programs assisting the poor around the world, study programs focused on mission…

ND is an institution, not a person. It doesn’t need to fit through the eye of a needle. It needs to be financially savvy. And it is.

oh, right, I forgot about the part where Jesus said that institutions claiming to follow Christ's teachings are actually exempt from His teachings.

And give me a break.. you think they want legacies so that they could continue with all their wonderful charities? LOL

Kind of ironic that you claim ND needs funding to continue with the "study programs focused on their mission" of Jesus teachings so they must continue with legacies which usually means it helps the wealthy.

It's like when rich people throw outlandish parties and balls in the name of feeding the poor. The dichotomy is just astounding.

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Anonymous wrote:What this tells me is that ND doesn't even care about USNWR rankings. If they did, they would be trying to admit more people "of different backgrounds." Clearly they have no intention of adjusting to the whims of the USNWR methodology tweaks. This is what we love about ND...keep on doing what you do well and don't worry about perceptions.

What you really love about ND is that it is 65% white and happy keeping it that way. Like we don’t know what “different backgrounds” means.

Isn’t the country as a whole 70% white? That seems like a reasonable diversity number for ND, especially since they are mostly attracting Catholics, a religion not that popular among African-Americans and many Asian groups.

College age student demographics is about 52% white. Not 70.

+1 some people don't understand data analysis. The whole of the US population is not applying to colleges. For the most part, it's college aged people applying to colleges. That's the demographic you want to look at.

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Anonymous wrote:What this tells me is that ND doesn't even care about USNWR rankings. If they did, they would be trying to admit more people "of different backgrounds." Clearly they have no intention of adjusting to the whims of the USNWR methodology tweaks. This is what we love about ND...keep on doing what you do well and don't worry about perceptions.

What you really love about ND is that it is 65% white and happy keeping it that way. Like we don’t know what “different backgrounds” means.

Isn’t the country as a whole 70% white? That seems like a reasonable diversity number for ND, especially since they are mostly attracting Catholics, a religion not that popular among African-Americans and many Asian groups.

College age student demographics is about 52% white. Not 70.

The Midwest is probably heavily white. I live in California, whites are a stark minority, especially in that age group. Hence UC’s are mostly people of color. Colleges in certain regions tend to reflect their population, regardless of whether they are private or public.

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Anonymous wrote:What this tells me is that ND doesn't even care about USNWR rankings. If they did, they would be trying to admit more people "of different backgrounds." Clearly they have no intention of adjusting to the whims of the USNWR methodology tweaks. This is what we love about ND...keep on doing what you do well and don't worry about perceptions.

What you really love about ND is that it is 65% white and happy keeping it that way. Like we don’t know what “different backgrounds” means.

Isn’t the country as a whole 70% white? That seems like a reasonable diversity number for ND, especially since they are mostly attracting Catholics, a religion not that popular among African-Americans and many Asian groups.

College age student demographics is about 52% white. Not 70.

+1 some people don't understand data analysis. The whole of the US population is not applying to colleges. For the most part, it's college aged people applying to colleges. That's the demographic you want to look at.

Should colleges reflect national demographics? Or the demographics of the applicants? There's no neat rule. Asians, for example, are only 6% of the US population. Should it mean that colleges should have no more than 6% of the student body be Asian? I'm sure Harvard would be very happy if that was the case.

Some people are really too hung up on "diversity."

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Anonymous wrote:What this tells me is that ND doesn't even care about USNWR rankings. If they did, they would be trying to admit more people "of different backgrounds." Clearly they have no intention of adjusting to the whims of the USNWR methodology tweaks. This is what we love about ND...keep on doing what you do well and don't worry about perceptions.

What you really love about ND is that it is 65% white and happy keeping it that way. Like we don’t know what “different backgrounds” means.

Isn’t the country as a whole 70% white? That seems like a reasonable diversity number for ND, especially since they are mostly attracting Catholics, a religion not that popular among African-Americans and many Asian groups.

College age student demographics is about 52% white. Not 70.

The Midwest is probably heavily white. I live in California, whites are a stark minority, especially in that age group. Hence UC’s are mostly people of color. Colleges in certain regions tend to reflect their population, regardless of whether they are private or public.

You have any evidence that Notre Dame draws most of its students from the Midwest? Or are you just making stuff up?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get it. Surely someone who pays more, or shows devotion in other ways, is better. Why would they want to admit a legacy who doesn't donate, who taught their kids not donate?
Preferring legacy goes against that support for devotion, or is just cover to artificially split the Donor category into Donor and Legacy.

Or it's because some graduate got super rich, and they don't want other schools to share credit for their kids' inherited wealth.

I don't know. ND is a Catholic school, so I guess it's a Catholic thing. Maybe legacy preference is a legal way to maintain Catholic preference.

Legacy at ND means the connection of families that have gone for a long time. I am not ND. I hate ND. But there is simply nothing wrong with a school that says we are a family. If there is a USNWR blowback they do not care.

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Anonymous wrote:What this tells me is that ND doesn't even care about USNWR rankings. If they did, they would be trying to admit more people "of different backgrounds." Clearly they have no intention of adjusting to the whims of the USNWR methodology tweaks. This is what we love about ND...keep on doing what you do well and don't worry about perceptions.

What you really love about ND is that it is 65% white and happy keeping it that way. Like we don’t know what “different backgrounds” means.

Isn’t the country as a whole 70% white? That seems like a reasonable diversity number for ND, especially since they are mostly attracting Catholics, a religion not that popular among African-Americans and many Asian groups.

College age student demographics is about 52% white. Not 70.

The Midwest is probably heavily white. I live in California, whites are a stark minority, especially in that age group. Hence UC’s are mostly people of color. Colleges in certain regions tend to reflect their population, regardless of whether they are private or public.

You have any evidence that Notre Dame draws most of its students from the Midwest? Or are you just making stuff up?

Whites are a stark minority in California. What are you talking about? It is 35% White and 39% Latino. That is 74% White and Latino -- It is only 15% Asian and 5% black.

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Anonymous wrote:That dedication runs all the way to the SCOTUS. Catholic institutions are untouchable.

SCOTUS is a Catholic institution.

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Anonymous wrote:What this tells me is that ND doesn't even care about USNWR rankings. If they did, they would be trying to admit more people "of different backgrounds." Clearly they have no intention of adjusting to the whims of the USNWR methodology tweaks. This is what we love about ND...keep on doing what you do well and don't worry about perceptions.

What you really love about ND is that it is 65% white and happy keeping it that way. Like we don’t know what “different backgrounds” means.

Isn’t the country as a whole 70% white? That seems like a reasonable diversity number for ND, especially since they are mostly attracting Catholics, a religion not that popular among African-Americans and many Asian groups.

College age student demographics is about 52% white. Not 70.

The Midwest is probably heavily white. I live in California, whites are a stark minority, especially in that age group. Hence UC’s are mostly people of color. Colleges in certain regions tend to reflect their population, regardless of whether they are private or public.

Notre Dame is a national school where only a minority of its students are from the Midwest.

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Anonymous wrote:What this tells me is that ND doesn't even care about USNWR rankings. If they did, they would be trying to admit more people "of different backgrounds." Clearly they have no intention of adjusting to the whims of the USNWR methodology tweaks. This is what we love about ND...keep on doing what you do well and don't worry about perceptions.

What you really love about ND is that it is 65% white and happy keeping it that way. Like we don’t know what “different backgrounds” means.

Isn’t the country as a whole 70% white? That seems like a reasonable diversity number for ND, especially since they are mostly attracting Catholics, a religion not that popular among African-Americans and many Asian groups.

College age student demographics is about 52% white. Not 70.

The Midwest is probably heavily white. I live in California, whites are a stark minority, especially in that age group. Hence UC’s are mostly people of color. Colleges in certain regions tend to reflect their population, regardless of whether they are private or public.

Notre Dame is a national school where only a minority of its students are from the Midwest.

It's a significant "minority" Catholic, white and midwest. And they want to keep it that way. We visited and and realized it wasn't for for my kid.

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They are borrowing for the motto from the Catholic hospitals, “ no margin, no mission.”.

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Anonymous wrote:What this tells me is that ND doesn't even care about USNWR rankings. If they did, they would be trying to admit more people "of different backgrounds." Clearly they have no intention of adjusting to the whims of the USNWR methodology tweaks. This is what we love about ND...keep on doing what you do well and don't worry about perceptions.

What you really love about ND is that it is 65% white and happy keeping it that way. Like we don’t know what “different backgrounds” means.

This!

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Anonymous wrote:What this tells me is that ND doesn't even care about USNWR rankings. If they did, they would be trying to admit more people "of different backgrounds." Clearly they have no intention of adjusting to the whims of the USNWR methodology tweaks. This is what we love about ND...keep on doing what you do well and don't worry about perceptions.

They want to admit Catholics of all different backgrounds! Surprising and concerning that a (checks notes) Catholic university would do this.

No they don't. ND is only 3.4% African american!

Thats is about the same rate as UC Berkeley