Rethinking Maui next year due to fires

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Anonymous wrote:My cousin has a Marriott villa on Maui and she said they are being used as shelters for the foreseeable future.


Love this!!! They should be used for this....it gets family into a temporary home that has a kitchen as well.
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Anonymous wrote:https://www.fodors.com/news/news/fodors-no-list-2023


Yeah too many people in the world now traveling. Sad.

Antarctica - pretty much gonna be destroyed. Should be off limits to people period. Ugh. There are just some places people should not be. Going to to Mt Everest is another. I mean why can't people just be happy without needing to conquer and see everything?

I think people should take Maui off the vacation list at least for a couple years. I think it's super duper hard to do that of course - we were in Jackson Hole last Aug and it was nuts with local traffic and tourists. We had to wait till the end of the day to hike before sunset as there were just way too many people hiking. I get that we all want to see and do things.

I just think that there's going to be a reckoning as it's out of control in so many places. What to do though as people want to travel? I don't have the answer but it's unsustainable for sure.


Who exactly would we be saving Antarctica for?
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Anonymous wrote:I personally would not visit Maui (or anywhere in Hawaii) next year. The islands have limited resources, food, etc. The individuals and economy will still be feeling the devastation of the wildfires.


The other islands need you to come. Their economy revolves around tourism. So go to Kauai, Oahu, Big island, but avoid Maui until they request tourists return


If the resorts, restaurants, attractions, and shops are open for business who exactly are "they" that we need permission from?


Maui government and the governor is asking tourists to stay away from Maui. Maui needs to focus on taking care of the residents who lost everything including their homes and often their jobs as well. They will need to use hotels and condos and vrbo homes to house these families---they need to use all resources available to rebuild and provide food/water/resources to those who LIVE there. They do not need tourists anytime soon. They do not have cell service, there are still 3+ active fires on the island and decent winds (40-50mph) and the island is still dry, rainy season is not for 3-4 months. So yes, you would be an idiot to try and go to Maui for the foreseeable future. It will take months to rebuild and be able to support tourism.

However, the government has stated to please come to Hawaii, just make it any other island, because tourism is their economy.


OP was thinking about next year. Nobody is planning to go in the next few months.

As someone who lives in an area that has been hit by a hurricane and near places that have been devastated by hurricanes, there is always an immediate emergency and recovery period where visitors obviously need to stay away, but I also see businesses and communities get hurt because the press blasts out photos of the devastated area and people think areas that are nearby are equally affected. At this point, we don’t know if Ka’anapali (for example) will be impacted, but if it is not, there is no reason the resorts there wouldn’t be open for business *next year,* and the island will need the tourism dollars more than ever. I assure you they will have cell service by then.
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Anonymous wrote:https://www.fodors.com/news/news/fodors-no-list-2023


Yeah too many people in the world now traveling. Sad.

Antarctica - pretty much gonna be destroyed. Should be off limits to people period. Ugh. There are just some places people should not be. Going to to Mt Everest is another. I mean why can't people just be happy without needing to conquer and see everything?

I think people should take Maui off the vacation list at least for a couple years. I think it's super duper hard to do that of course - we were in Jackson Hole last Aug and it was nuts with local traffic and tourists. We had to wait till the end of the day to hike before sunset as there were just way too many people hiking. I get that we all want to see and do things.

I just think that there's going to be a reckoning as it's out of control in so many places. What to do though as people want to travel? I don't have the answer but it's unsustainable for sure.


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Anonymous wrote:I personally would not visit Maui (or anywhere in Hawaii) next year. The islands have limited resources, food, etc. The individuals and economy will still be feeling the devastation of the wildfires.


The other islands need you to come. Their economy revolves around tourism. So go to Kauai, Oahu, Big island, but avoid Maui until they request tourists return


If the resorts, restaurants, attractions, and shops are open for business who exactly are "they" that we need permission from?


Maui government and the governor is asking tourists to stay away from Maui. Maui needs to focus on taking care of the residents who lost everything including their homes and often their jobs as well. They will need to use hotels and condos and vrbo homes to house these families---they need to use all resources available to rebuild and provide food/water/resources to those who LIVE there. They do not need tourists anytime soon. They do not have cell service, there are still 3+ active fires on the island and decent winds (40-50mph) and the island is still dry, rainy season is not for 3-4 months. So yes, you would be an idiot to try and go to Maui for the foreseeable future. It will take months to rebuild and be able to support tourism.

However, the government has stated to please come to Hawaii, just make it any other island, because tourism is their economy.


OP was thinking about next year. Nobody is planning to go in the next few months.

As someone who lives in an area that has been hit by a hurricane and near places that have been devastated by hurricanes, there is always an immediate emergency and recovery period where visitors obviously need to stay away, but I also see businesses and communities get hurt because the press blasts out photos of the devastated area and people think areas that are nearby are equally affected. At this point, we don’t know if Ka’anapali (for example) will be impacted, but if it is not, there is no reason the resorts there wouldn’t be open for business *next year,* and the island will need the tourism dollars more than ever. I assure you they will have cell service by then.


I agree the resort areas look like they likely will be fine. The question for tourism is going to be whether they can solve the labor shortage. They can’t get people into clean hotel rooms with love food and snorkeling trips if the workers have no place to live or shop because it’s all burned down. To be up and running for next year’s tourist season in a realistic way, they are going to need a very organized plan to rebuild housing, services and infrastructure outside of those tourist areas.

I think the tourism, anti-tourism debate in Hawaii is complicated and probably depends a lot on where you are. There were way too many mainlanders that thought it would be a fun place to work remotely during covid while the long term residents were trying to keep themselves and their families safe. Of course they were aggravated.
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Anonymous wrote:https://www.fodors.com/news/news/fodors-no-list-2023


Yeah too many people in the world now traveling. Sad.

Antarctica - pretty much gonna be destroyed. Should be off limits to people period. Ugh. There are just some places people should not be. Going to to Mt Everest is another. I mean why can't people just be happy without needing to conquer and see everything?

I think people should take Maui off the vacation list at least for a couple years. I think it's super duper hard to do that of course - we were in Jackson Hole last Aug and it was nuts with local traffic and tourists. We had to wait till the end of the day to hike before sunset as there were just way too many people hiking. I get that we all want to see and do things.

I just think that there's going to be a reckoning as it's out of control in so many places. What to do though as people want to travel? I don't have the answer but it's unsustainable for sure.

You can set the example by staying home.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Look, it’s day two of the fires. Way too early to be thinking about this. And a tad bit insensitive to be honest.



I know, right. Like sorry to inconvenience you and your future plans. You can always count on DCUM to be ME ME ME
Anonymous
It’s going to take years to recover sadly. We should all be donating to organizations that will house the locals in the resorts for as long as is needed, because they’ve lost everything and getting materials in to rebuild will take a long time. Tourists going back will only push them out of needed shelter.
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Anonymous wrote:It’s going to take years to recover sadly. We should all be donating to organizations that will house the locals in the resorts for as long as is needed, because they’ve lost everything and getting materials in to rebuild will take a long time. Tourists going back will only push them out of needed shelter.


This 1000x

For now, hotels/condos are the best way to house the 10K+ who just became homeless and literally have nothing. Many also do not have vehicles anymore or a job as their place of business may be obliterated.
It will take a very long time to rebuild, to get the supplies in to enable the rebuilding.
There was just a new low income housing for 89families that opened in Dec 2022 in Lahaina---that is gone. Those families finally had reasonably affordable housing and now they just lost everything.

We will wait to return when the government says they are ready. Until then, we will donate to help assist with the rebuilding and keeping the families safe and provided for in our Happy place.

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I really don’t think they are going to use Grand Wailea, Andaz, and Hyatt Refency as shelters.
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From the article that was previously posted:

This past summer, Maui County placed mandatory water restrictions on the residents of West Maui and Upcountry communities with a hefty fine of $500 for non-essential water use, such as irrigation, watering lawns, and washing cars in order to combat dry conditions and high temperatures. However, while everyone on the islands of Maui is asked to conserve water, no such limitations were placed on resorts in South and Central Maui, many of which boast pools, sprawling lawns, and golf courses. As travel returns to pre-pandemic levels–about 8,000 travelers per day to Maui–the disparity in water distribution is leading to conflicts between the hospitality industry and household users.

Many Native Hawaiians, frustrated about bearing the burden of limiting water use to accommodate tourism, are urging travelers to avoid coming to the islands out of respect for its inhabitants.
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Anonymous wrote:I personally would not visit Maui (or anywhere in Hawaii) next year. The islands have limited resources, food, etc. The individuals and economy will still be feeling the devastation of the wildfires.


I don’t see any reason not to visit the other islands.


Residents were begging people to stop visiting Hawaii prior to the wildfires. Maybe listen to the people on the ground rather than your selfish desires.


Genuine question. Why were the residents asking people to stop visiting?


During covid
Anonymous
I sure hope that the original poster worried about their vacation donated to the residents of Maui before making this post.
We were set to arrive there Sunday but have rescheduled to next year. I agree the need the tourism but sad to hear so many tourists are the problem and govt is too friendly to the industry.
Anonymous
I'll offer a different perspective. I might go but I would never make reservations right now. Why? It is too early to tell whether going to Maui will be supporting the local economy to find its footing or a burden.

In Aug 2017 around the time of the eclipse we stayed in Gatlinburg TN. Signs of the terrible November 2016 fire were everywhere. Our hotel, however, had not burned, nor had many other things.

Anonymous
Who would have thought that an island with a multi-year drought and insufficient water for its residents would eventually have wildfires?!?
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