Rethinking Maui next year due to fires

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Anonymous wrote:I personally would not visit Maui (or anywhere in Hawaii) next year. The islands have limited resources, food, etc. The individuals and economy will still be feeling the devastation of the wildfires.

The other islands need you to come. Their economy revolves around tourism. So go to Kauai, Oahu, Big island, but avoid Maui until they request tourists return

If the resorts, restaurants, attractions, and shops are open for business who exactly are "they" that we need permission from?

I would pay attention to what local government officials are saying. This is pretty devastating for Maui and Hawaii is not accustomed to wildfires so it’s just hard to say at this point how long the recovery will take.

I would think the local government would have control over the tourism and whether businesses are open or not. We don't need to watch and listen and to hear what the random man on the street is thinking.

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Anonymous wrote:I personally would not visit Maui (or anywhere in Hawaii) next year. The islands have limited resources, food, etc. The individuals and economy will still be feeling the devastation of the wildfires.

I don’t see any reason not to visit the other islands.

Residents were begging people to stop visiting Hawaii prior to the wildfires. Maybe listen to the people on the ground rather than your selfish desires.

The Hawaii economy revolves around tourism. Without it they cannot survive, so no, they are not asking you to stop coming before the wildfires

There is no consensus among Hawaiians, but yes there was/is a growing movement to slow, and for some people, halt tourism entirely to the islands. It was in the news during the pandemic because of the huge influx of tourists.

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Yeah too many people in the world now traveling. Sad.

Antarctica - pretty much gonna be destroyed. Should be off limits to people period. Ugh. There are just some places people should not be. Going to to Mt Everest is another. I mean why can't people just be happy without needing to conquer and see everything?

I think people should take Maui off the vacation list at least for a couple years. I think it's super duper hard to do that of course - we were in Jackson Hole last Aug and it was nuts with local traffic and tourists. We had to wait till the end of the day to hike before sunset as there were just way too many people hiking. I get that we all want to see and do things.

I just think that there's going to be a reckoning as it's out of control in so many places. What to do though as people want to travel? I don't have the answer but it's unsustainable for sure.

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Anonymous wrote:I personally would not visit Maui (or anywhere in Hawaii) next year. The islands have limited resources, food, etc. The individuals and economy will still be feeling the devastation of the wildfires.

The other islands need you to come. Their economy revolves around tourism. So go to Kauai, Oahu, Big island, but avoid Maui until they request tourists return

If the resorts, restaurants, attractions, and shops are open for business who exactly are "they" that we need permission from?

Maui government and the governor is asking tourists to stay away from Maui. Maui needs to focus on taking care of the residents who lost everything including their homes and often their jobs as well. They will need to use hotels and condos and vrbo homes to house these families---they need to use all resources available to rebuild and provide food/water/resources to those who LIVE there. They do not need tourists anytime soon. They do not have cell service, there are still 3+ active fires on the island and decent winds (40-50mph) and the island is still dry, rainy season is not for 3-4 months. So yes, you would be an idiot to try and go to Maui for the foreseeable future. It will take months to rebuild and be able to support tourism.

However, the government has stated to please come to Hawaii, just make it any other island, because tourism is their economy.

[Anonymous]

How long were you going for? You could probably just stick to Kauai (and maybe split your time staying on two different parts of the island since the different parts are so different).

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Anonymous wrote:I personally would not visit Maui (or anywhere in Hawaii) next year. The islands have limited resources, food, etc. The individuals and economy will still be feeling the devastation of the wildfires.

I don’t see any reason not to visit the other islands.

Residents were begging people to stop visiting Hawaii prior to the wildfires. Maybe listen to the people on the ground rather than your selfish desires.

But wouldn't you have to be in Hawaii to listen to the people "on the ground"? You're acting like this is an obvious thing everyone should know.

NP here - it's been widely reported in the news, before covid but especially during covid becauseof limited medical facilities. Covid aside, tourism has badly hurt the flora and fauna that tourists come to see, and it doesn't result in great jobs - mostly cleaning hotel rooms and the like. Yet it's expensive to live there, for complicated real estate reasons and because so much (food, fuel) has to be imported.

I have family in Hawaii, non-natives whose parents moved there before statehood and who work in agriculture. People forget that statehood was REALLY recent, like within memory of Hawaiians still living, and was widely opposed by Native Hawaiians. The anger about colonization is very intertwined with the paternalism of saying their economy needs our tourism. I don't have answers, and I am not the person to say visiting is wrong, but it's way more complicated than just calling it grumbling about tourists.

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Anonymous wrote:I personally would not visit Maui (or anywhere in Hawaii) next year. The islands have limited resources, food, etc. The individuals and economy will still be feeling the devastation of the wildfires.

The other islands need you to come. Their economy revolves around tourism. So go to Kauai, Oahu, Big island, but avoid Maui until they request tourists return

If the resorts, restaurants, attractions, and shops are open for business who exactly are "they" that we need permission from?

Maui government and the governor is asking tourists to stay away from Maui. Maui needs to focus on taking care of the residents who lost everything including their homes and often their jobs as well. They will need to use hotels and condos and vrbo homes to house these families---they need to use all resources available to rebuild and provide food/water/resources to those who LIVE there. They do not need tourists anytime soon. They do not have cell service, there are still 3+ active fires on the island and decent winds (40-50mph) and the island is still dry, rainy season is not for 3-4 months. So yes, you would be an idiot to try and go to Maui for the foreseeable future. It will take months to rebuild and be able to support tourism.

However, the government has stated to please come to Hawaii, just make it any other island, because tourism is their economy.

Why are there scolds on here telling people what to do or not to do? If the hotels and condos aren't available to tourists, or flights, the tourists won't come b/c there's nowhere to stay and no way to get there. This works itself out. It's not exactly easy to get to Hawaii, nobody is going to swim ashore.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I personally would not visit Maui (or anywhere in Hawaii) next year. The islands have limited resources, food, etc. The individuals and economy will still be feeling the devastation of the wildfires.

The other islands need you to come. Their economy revolves around tourism. So go to Kauai, Oahu, Big island, but avoid Maui until they request tourists return

If the resorts, restaurants, attractions, and shops are open for business who exactly are "they" that we need permission from?

Maui government and the governor is asking tourists to stay away from Maui. Maui needs to focus on taking care of the residents who lost everything including their homes and often their jobs as well. They will need to use hotels and condos and vrbo homes to house these families---they need to use all resources available to rebuild and provide food/water/resources to those who LIVE there. They do not need tourists anytime soon. They do not have cell service, there are still 3+ active fires on the island and decent winds (40-50mph) and the island is still dry, rainy season is not for 3-4 months. So yes, you would be an idiot to try and go to Maui for the foreseeable future. It will take months to rebuild and be able to support tourism.

However, the government has stated to please come to Hawaii, just make it any other island, because tourism is their economy.

Why are there scolds on here telling people what to do or not to do? If the hotels and condos aren't available to tourists, or flights, the tourists won't come b/c there's nowhere to stay and no way to get there. This works itself out. It's not exactly easy to get to Hawaii, nobody is going to swim ashore.

Remember, the hotels and condos will likely try to reopen sooner than those in charge want them to. Hyatt and Marriott don't make money if their hotels are sitting empty. And ultimately, the Execs will put on a show of support but secretly they are all about the bottom line. Just look that it took Delta almost 24 hours after United/SWA/Hawaiian to start offering no fees to change flights to maui---people were on twitter/FB complaining about that. Delta did finally change the policy, but fact is it took them longer than it should have taken.

I've seen people complaining on social media that they have to change their trips---with no apparent empathy for the fact this is home, cultural home to thousands and their lives have been changed forever. They are just trying to find their family members and ensure they are all safe and alive...they are trying to find somewhere to live besides their car and get food and clothing because all they had is gone. They lost their businesses or their jobs. Yet people still seem to think their vacation plans changing is something to post about (hint: it's not---if you can afford to travel to Hawaii you are privileged). So yes, many people just don't do what is right/appropriate for the time and are too self centered to care

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I personally would not visit Maui (or anywhere in Hawaii) next year. The islands have limited resources, food, etc. The individuals and economy will still be feeling the devastation of the wildfires.

The other islands need you to come. Their economy revolves around tourism. So go to Kauai, Oahu, Big island, but avoid Maui until they request tourists return

If the resorts, restaurants, attractions, and shops are open for business who exactly are "they" that we need permission from?

Maui government and the governor is asking tourists to stay away from Maui. Maui needs to focus on taking care of the residents who lost everything including their homes and often their jobs as well. They will need to use hotels and condos and vrbo homes to house these families---they need to use all resources available to rebuild and provide food/water/resources to those who LIVE there. They do not need tourists anytime soon. They do not have cell service, there are still 3+ active fires on the island and decent winds (40-50mph) and the island is still dry, rainy season is not for 3-4 months. So yes, you would be an idiot to try and go to Maui for the foreseeable future. It will take months to rebuild and be able to support tourism.

However, the government has stated to please come to Hawaii, just make it any other island, because tourism is their economy.

Why are there scolds on here telling people what to do or not to do? If the hotels and condos aren't available to tourists, or flights, the tourists won't come b/c there's nowhere to stay and no way to get there. This works itself out. It's not exactly easy to get to Hawaii, nobody is going to swim ashore.

Remember, the hotels and condos will likely try to reopen sooner than those in charge want them to. Hyatt and Marriott don't make money if their hotels are sitting empty. And ultimately, the Execs will put on a show of support but secretly they are all about the bottom line. Just look that it took Delta almost 24 hours after United/SWA/Hawaiian to start offering no fees to change flights to maui---people were on twitter/FB complaining about that. Delta did finally change the policy, but fact is it took them longer than it should have taken.

I've seen people complaining on social media that they have to change their trips---with no apparent empathy for the fact this is home, cultural home to thousands and their lives have been changed forever. They are just trying to find their family members and ensure they are all safe and alive...they are trying to find somewhere to live besides their car and get food and clothing because all they had is gone. They lost their businesses or their jobs. Yet people still seem to think their vacation plans changing is something to post about (hint: it's not---if you can afford to travel to Hawaii you are privileged). So yes, many people just don't do what is right/appropriate for the time and are too self centered to care

The government orders will trump what Marriott or Hilton wants to do. If they wanted to restrict all tourism to Maui they certainly could flex that muscle, as they have in the past. Also, United Airlines has already canceled its inbound flights.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I personally would not visit Maui (or anywhere in Hawaii) next year. The islands have limited resources, food, etc. The individuals and economy will still be feeling the devastation of the wildfires.

The other islands need you to come. Their economy revolves around tourism. So go to Kauai, Oahu, Big island, but avoid Maui until they request tourists return

If the resorts, restaurants, attractions, and shops are open for business who exactly are "they" that we need permission from?

Maui government and the governor is asking tourists to stay away from Maui. Maui needs to focus on taking care of the residents who lost everything including their homes and often their jobs as well. They will need to use hotels and condos and vrbo homes to house these families---they need to use all resources available to rebuild and provide food/water/resources to those who LIVE there. They do not need tourists anytime soon. They do not have cell service, there are still 3+ active fires on the island and decent winds (40-50mph) and the island is still dry, rainy season is not for 3-4 months. So yes, you would be an idiot to try and go to Maui for the foreseeable future. It will take months to rebuild and be able to support tourism.

However, the government has stated to please come to Hawaii, just make it any other island, because tourism is their economy.

Why are there scolds on here telling people what to do or not to do? If the hotels and condos aren't available to tourists, or flights, the tourists won't come b/c there's nowhere to stay and no way to get there. This works itself out. It's not exactly easy to get to Hawaii, nobody is going to swim ashore.

Remember, the hotels and condos will likely try to reopen sooner than those in charge want them to. Hyatt and Marriott don't make money if their hotels are sitting empty. And ultimately, the Execs will put on a show of support but secretly they are all about the bottom line. Just look that it took Delta almost 24 hours after United/SWA/Hawaiian to start offering no fees to change flights to maui---people were on twitter/FB complaining about that. Delta did finally change the policy, but fact is it took them longer than it should have taken.

I've seen people complaining on social media that they have to change their trips---with no apparent empathy for the fact this is home, cultural home to thousands and their lives have been changed forever. They are just trying to find their family members and ensure they are all safe and alive...they are trying to find somewhere to live besides their car and get food and clothing because all they had is gone. They lost their businesses or their jobs. Yet people still seem to think their vacation plans changing is something to post about (hint: it's not---if you can afford to travel to Hawaii you are privileged). So yes, many people just don't do what is right/appropriate for the time and are too self centered to care

The government orders will trump what Marriott or Hilton wants to do. If they wanted to restrict all tourism to Maui they certainly could flex that muscle, as they have in the past. Also, United Airlines has already canceled its inbound flights.

As they should. Only flights in should be with supplies or empty and waiting to take people out of Maui. Right now it is a war zone on the west side. The government should rightly be focusing on the locals and assisting with recovery efforts. It will likely take months to years to recover. There are thousands without home and/or jobs in an already very very expensive place to live. Everything on the islands takes longer to happen, because everything must be imported. Hopefully the big hotels step up and help the govt with housing the locals. I'd argue that would be an awesome PR effort for the company---I'd switch to using whichever major hotel brand did that.

[Anonymous]

This is the most self-centered and insensitive post I’ve seen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We leave for Hawaii next week, Honolulu first, and Maui was supposed to be the end of our trip. It’s clear we won’t be going to Maui this trip but I’m not yet sure what we’re going to do. The airlines are focused on the next few days so I haven’t called yet. But starting to think of alternate plans. I’m sorry to see the devastation there. Such a tough situation for the locals right now.

I bet your airline will allow you to rebook home early and skip Maui at no cost.

[Anonymous]

My cousin has a Marriott villa on Maui and she said they are being used as shelters for the foreseeable future.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I personally would not visit Maui (or anywhere in Hawaii) next year. The islands have limited resources, food, etc. The individuals and economy will still be feeling the devastation of the wildfires.

The other islands need you to come. Their economy revolves around tourism. So go to Kauai, Oahu, Big island, but avoid Maui until they request tourists return

If the resorts, restaurants, attractions, and shops are open for business who exactly are "they" that we need permission from?

Maui government and the governor is asking tourists to stay away from Maui. Maui needs to focus on taking care of the residents who lost everything including their homes and often their jobs as well. They will need to use hotels and condos and vrbo homes to house these families---they need to use all resources available to rebuild and provide food/water/resources to those who LIVE there. They do not need tourists anytime soon. They do not have cell service, there are still 3+ active fires on the island and decent winds (40-50mph) and the island is still dry, rainy season is not for 3-4 months. So yes, you would be an idiot to try and go to Maui for the foreseeable future. It will take months to rebuild and be able to support tourism.

However, the government has stated to please come to Hawaii, just make it any other island, because tourism is their economy.

Why are there scolds on here telling people what to do or not to do? If the hotels and condos aren't available to tourists, or flights, the tourists won't come b/c there's nowhere to stay and no way to get there. This works itself out. It's not exactly easy to get to Hawaii, nobody is going to swim ashore.

Remember, the hotels and condos will likely try to reopen sooner than those in charge want them to. Hyatt and Marriott don't make money if their hotels are sitting empty. And ultimately, the Execs will put on a show of support but secretly they are all about the bottom line. Just look that it took Delta almost 24 hours after United/SWA/Hawaiian to start offering no fees to change flights to maui---people were on twitter/FB complaining about that. Delta did finally change the policy, but fact is it took them longer than it should have taken.

I've seen people complaining on social media that they have to change their trips---with no apparent empathy for the fact this is home, cultural home to thousands and their lives have been changed forever. They are just trying to find their family members and ensure they are all safe and alive...they are trying to find somewhere to live besides their car and get food and clothing because all they had is gone. They lost their businesses or their jobs. Yet people still seem to think their vacation plans changing is something to post about (hint: it's not---if you can afford to travel to Hawaii you are privileged). So yes, many people just don't do what is right/appropriate for the time and are too self centered to care

I'm not surprised by this. Hawaii has been exploited by the mainland U.S. for well over 100 years. The native Hawaiian people are treated like second-class citizens whose sole purpose is to serve the wealthy who jet to and fro.