Rethinking Maui next year due to fires

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Anonymous wrote:It’s going to take years to recover sadly. We should all be donating to organizations that will house the locals in the resorts for as long as is needed, because they’ve lost everything and getting materials in to rebuild will take a long time. Tourists going back will only push them out of needed shelter.


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For now, hotels/condos are the best way to house the 10K+ who just became homeless and literally have nothing. Many also do not have vehicles anymore or a job as their place of business may be obliterated.
It will take a very long time to rebuild, to get the supplies in to enable the rebuilding.
There was just a new low income housing for 89families that opened in Dec 2022 in Lahaina---that is gone. Those families finally had reasonably affordable housing and now they just lost everything.

We will wait to return when the government says they are ready. Until then, we will donate to help assist with the rebuilding and keeping the families safe and provided for in our Happy place.



Unfortunately, the government may not look out for the best interests of residents either, they will be eager to get tourism cash again even if it hurts the residents. So yes wait for the ok from the local government but then you need to really listen to the people there on the ground if they are ready for you to return or if it's just going to displace them.


This! The governor has been quotes as saying that only west Maui is current closed. When in reality the entire island should be closed for now. there are still as many as 1300 people missing and those who are now without a home need immediate help and supplies. Tourist should not be there sucking up resources anytime soon. But the governor does not care and will not officially close the island. It is also sad to expect people to have lost everything including friends and family to still be serving up poolside cocktails because people are too selfish to cancel their vacation plans.


I agree, but with the recovery there needs to be a plan to diversify the state's economy. Way too reliant on tourism. And there is this whole other train of thought on anther forum I visit that people cancelling their vacations is selfish, not the other way around, because that is punishing those that rely on tourism dollars. If visitors don't come, people will lose their jobs.


The only ones who say this are the tourists who think the island exist for them. I have not seen a single thing from a Maui local or native telling people to hop on a plane tomorrow or that they are selfish if they cancel their vacation. I did see a video of Maui local who lost her home and was given a room at the resort. She said hos sad and painful it was to see people enjoying around them their vacation while the employees are literally holding back tears as they serve them. She said one maintenance worker was sitting on the grass crying. Jobs are the last thing people are worried about when they still likely have friends who are still missing or who have lost everything. Sure, return in time but the last thing they need for at least the next month is tourists. Listen to the locals and natives not tourists, selfish government officials or the big corporations who only care about profits.


Will the people be less sad if they are unemployed?


Not sure about you but if my friends and family were missing or just lost everything, heck if I had just lost everything and had no home the last thing I would care about is my job and serving *hole tourist like you a cocktail. Not to mention there is one hospital on the island and most emergency personnel are focused on finding the dead bodies so if a tourist has an emergency they won't be getting much help.

Not saying stay away forever but anyone going to Maui right now is a selfish.....


Then stop going to work! The job will be there when they are ready to go back.


stop caring only about yourself and your damn vacation.


I have no plans to go to Maui. But, really, if you resent the tourists so much, quit the job. Do whatever you think you would do if tourism didn't exist. See how that works out.


I don't live or work in Maui. But I do listen when people who are there are actively telling people not to come right now. Sadly many, including the big hotel chains, do not care about anything other than profits. And most of the people who benefit from tourism in Hawaii are not even the natives. Most airbnbs are owned by people who don't even live there.


Right, so this resentment has been brewing for years. They have been telling people not to come for years. Some will probably even try to take advantage of the fire to further their own agenda.
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Anonymous wrote:It’s going to take years to recover sadly. We should all be donating to organizations that will house the locals in the resorts for as long as is needed, because they’ve lost everything and getting materials in to rebuild will take a long time. Tourists going back will only push them out of needed shelter.


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For now, hotels/condos are the best way to house the 10K+ who just became homeless and literally have nothing. Many also do not have vehicles anymore or a job as their place of business may be obliterated.
It will take a very long time to rebuild, to get the supplies in to enable the rebuilding.
There was just a new low income housing for 89families that opened in Dec 2022 in Lahaina---that is gone. Those families finally had reasonably affordable housing and now they just lost everything.

We will wait to return when the government says they are ready. Until then, we will donate to help assist with the rebuilding and keeping the families safe and provided for in our Happy place.



Unfortunately, the government may not look out for the best interests of residents either, they will be eager to get tourism cash again even if it hurts the residents. So yes wait for the ok from the local government but then you need to really listen to the people there on the ground if they are ready for you to return or if it's just going to displace them.


This! The governor has been quotes as saying that only west Maui is current closed. When in reality the entire island should be closed for now. there are still as many as 1300 people missing and those who are now without a home need immediate help and supplies. Tourist should not be there sucking up resources anytime soon. But the governor does not care and will not officially close the island. It is also sad to expect people to have lost everything including friends and family to still be serving up poolside cocktails because people are too selfish to cancel their vacation plans.


I agree, but with the recovery there needs to be a plan to diversify the state's economy. Way too reliant on tourism. And there is this whole other train of thought on anther forum I visit that people cancelling their vacations is selfish, not the other way around, because that is punishing those that rely on tourism dollars. If visitors don't come, people will lose their jobs.


The only ones who say this are the tourists who think the island exist for them. I have not seen a single thing from a Maui local or native telling people to hop on a plane tomorrow or that they are selfish if they cancel their vacation. I did see a video of Maui local who lost her home and was given a room at the resort. She said hos sad and painful it was to see people enjoying around them their vacation while the employees are literally holding back tears as they serve them. She said one maintenance worker was sitting on the grass crying. Jobs are the last thing people are worried about when they still likely have friends who are still missing or who have lost everything. Sure, return in time but the last thing they need for at least the next month is tourists. Listen to the locals and natives not tourists, selfish government officials or the big corporations who only care about profits.


Will the people be less sad if they are unemployed?


You have a distinctly different opinion form the locals. Right now the locals are worried about nearly 1300 missing residents. They are worried about shelter and food. They are applying for access back to their homes to see if they have anythng left. I heard an interview and residents have to apply for a permit to go back to their homes. The issue is that the authorities are trying to stagger when people go back because everyone rushing back would interfere with the recovery efforts, searching for bodies and remains and trying to determine which building are structurally sound. Some residents who are allowed to go home are hunkering down in their homes because others who are allowed back are looting, so people are going home and staying put to protect what is left of their homes. They are also trying to get disaster aid to get food and water.

And you think that these people who are struggling with just surviving and finding loved ones and protecting their homes have any interest in going to work to serve snobby tourists? So far, I have hear no resident who has said anything about wanting tourists. I have heard many asking tourists to go home. The only ones that I have heard suggesting that tourist stay or come, are officials like the governor who is not one of the ones that was displaced or who has to provide service to tourists.

So, I think you are woefully wrong about what the locals want.
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Anonymous wrote:For our 20th next year we had planned for Kauai and Maui. I spent a ton of time researching which islands to choose. We haven’t bought flights yet and hotel can be cancelled and I’m seriously considering changing from Maui to another island. I didn’t know that west Maui had devastating wildfires less than 5 years ago too. Should we just go to Oahu and stay apart from the Waikiki area? Do the north and west parts?

Thoughts? I feel so badly for everyone on Maui now, both residents and tourists.


Have you been watching the news?! You actually think tourism is.going to be booming a year from now. Houses, schools, hospitals, need to be built before hotels!

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Anonymous wrote:It’s going to take years to recover sadly. We should all be donating to organizations that will house the locals in the resorts for as long as is needed, because they’ve lost everything and getting materials in to rebuild will take a long time. Tourists going back will only push them out of needed shelter.


This 1000x

For now, hotels/condos are the best way to house the 10K+ who just became homeless and literally have nothing. Many also do not have vehicles anymore or a job as their place of business may be obliterated.
It will take a very long time to rebuild, to get the supplies in to enable the rebuilding.
There was just a new low income housing for 89families that opened in Dec 2022 in Lahaina---that is gone. Those families finally had reasonably affordable housing and now they just lost everything.

We will wait to return when the government says they are ready. Until then, we will donate to help assist with the rebuilding and keeping the families safe and provided for in our Happy place.



Unfortunately, the government may not look out for the best interests of residents either, they will be eager to get tourism cash again even if it hurts the residents. So yes wait for the ok from the local government but then you need to really listen to the people there on the ground if they are ready for you to return or if it's just going to displace them.


This! The governor has been quotes as saying that only west Maui is current closed. When in reality the entire island should be closed for now. there are still as many as 1300 people missing and those who are now without a home need immediate help and supplies. Tourist should not be there sucking up resources anytime soon. But the governor does not care and will not officially close the island. It is also sad to expect people to have lost everything including friends and family to still be serving up poolside cocktails because people are too selfish to cancel their vacation plans.


I agree, but with the recovery there needs to be a plan to diversify the state's economy. Way too reliant on tourism. And there is this whole other train of thought on anther forum I visit that people cancelling their vacations is selfish, not the other way around, because that is punishing those that rely on tourism dollars. If visitors don't come, people will lose their jobs.


The only ones who say this are the tourists who think the island exist for them. I have not seen a single thing from a Maui local or native telling people to hop on a plane tomorrow or that they are selfish if they cancel their vacation. I did see a video of Maui local who lost her home and was given a room at the resort. She said hos sad and painful it was to see people enjoying around them their vacation while the employees are literally holding back tears as they serve them. She said one maintenance worker was sitting on the grass crying. Jobs are the last thing people are worried about when they still likely have friends who are still missing or who have lost everything. Sure, return in time but the last thing they need for at least the next month is tourists. Listen to the locals and natives not tourists, selfish government officials or the big corporations who only care about profits.


Will the people be less sad if they are unemployed?


You have a distinctly different opinion form the locals. Right now the locals are worried about nearly 1300 missing residents. They are worried about shelter and food. They are applying for access back to their homes to see if they have anythng left. I heard an interview and residents have to apply for a permit to go back to their homes. The issue is that the authorities are trying to stagger when people go back because everyone rushing back would interfere with the recovery efforts, searching for bodies and remains and trying to determine which building are structurally sound. Some residents who are allowed to go home are hunkering down in their homes because others who are allowed back are looting, so people are going home and staying put to protect what is left of their homes. They are also trying to get disaster aid to get food and water.

And you think that these people who are struggling with just surviving and finding loved ones and protecting their homes have any interest in going to work to serve snobby tourists? So far, I have hear no resident who has said anything about wanting tourists. I have heard many asking tourists to go home. The only ones that I have heard suggesting that tourist stay or come, are officials like the governor who is not one of the ones that was displaced or who has to provide service to tourists.

So, I think you are woefully wrong about what the locals want.


I think I'm being realistic. If the locals have had enough they should up and quit, if they still have a job. I'm not going to Maui demanding my Mai Tai. But since the most common job is working in hospitality, the workers will find that this is a double edged sword. This is the reality for people who live in resort communities. I live in one also. What do you think is really going to happen long term? In the short term many have no jobs to go back to anyway to serve tourists they resent. Their jobs are already gone. What will replace them?
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Anonymous wrote:For our 20th next year we had planned for Kauai and Maui. I spent a ton of time researching which islands to choose. We haven’t bought flights yet and hotel can be cancelled and I’m seriously considering changing from Maui to another island. I didn’t know that west Maui had devastating wildfires less than 5 years ago too. Should we just go to Oahu and stay apart from the Waikiki area? Do the north and west parts?

Thoughts? I feel so badly for everyone on Maui now, both residents and tourists.


Poor you. Those bad fires inconvenienced Mr.and Mrs. Got Bucks. You should go elsewhere because you are tone deaf. These people have lost loved ones. Lost their homes. Hospitals. Schools. Most have lose all possessions and their only clothes are on their back. Shame on you! Go to Mexico.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s going to take years to recover sadly. We should all be donating to organizations that will house the locals in the resorts for as long as is needed, because they’ve lost everything and getting materials in to rebuild will take a long time. Tourists going back will only push them out of needed shelter.


This 1000x

For now, hotels/condos are the best way to house the 10K+ who just became homeless and literally have nothing. Many also do not have vehicles anymore or a job as their place of business may be obliterated.
It will take a very long time to rebuild, to get the supplies in to enable the rebuilding.
There was just a new low income housing for 89families that opened in Dec 2022 in Lahaina---that is gone. Those families finally had reasonably affordable housing and now they just lost everything.

We will wait to return when the government says they are ready. Until then, we will donate to help assist with the rebuilding and keeping the families safe and provided for in our Happy place.



Unfortunately, the government may not look out for the best interests of residents either, they will be eager to get tourism cash again even if it hurts the residents. So yes wait for the ok from the local government but then you need to really listen to the people there on the ground if they are ready for you to return or if it's just going to displace them.


This! The governor has been quotes as saying that only west Maui is current closed. When in reality the entire island should be closed for now. there are still as many as 1300 people missing and those who are now without a home need immediate help and supplies. Tourist should not be there sucking up resources anytime soon. But the governor does not care and will not officially close the island. It is also sad to expect people to have lost everything including friends and family to still be serving up poolside cocktails because people are too selfish to cancel their vacation plans.


I agree, but with the recovery there needs to be a plan to diversify the state's economy. Way too reliant on tourism. And there is this whole other train of thought on anther forum I visit that people cancelling their vacations is selfish, not the other way around, because that is punishing those that rely on tourism dollars. If visitors don't come, people will lose their jobs.


The only ones who say this are the tourists who think the island exist for them. I have not seen a single thing from a Maui local or native telling people to hop on a plane tomorrow or that they are selfish if they cancel their vacation. I did see a video of Maui local who lost her home and was given a room at the resort. She said hos sad and painful it was to see people enjoying around them their vacation while the employees are literally holding back tears as they serve them. She said one maintenance worker was sitting on the grass crying. Jobs are the last thing people are worried about when they still likely have friends who are still missing or who have lost everything. Sure, return in time but the last thing they need for at least the next month is tourists. Listen to the locals and natives not tourists, selfish government officials or the big corporations who only care about profits.


Will the people be less sad if they are unemployed?


Not sure about you but if my friends and family were missing or just lost everything, heck if I had just lost everything and had no home the last thing I would care about is my job and serving *hole tourist like you a cocktail. Not to mention there is one hospital on the island and most emergency personnel are focused on finding the dead bodies so if a tourist has an emergency they won't be getting much help.

Not saying stay away forever but anyone going to Maui right now is a selfish.....


Then stop going to work! The job will be there when they are ready to go back.


stop caring only about yourself and your damn vacation.


I have no plans to go to Maui. But, really, if you resent the tourists so much, quit the job. Do whatever you think you would do if tourism didn't exist. See how that works out.


I don't live or work in Maui. But I do listen when people who are there are actively telling people not to come right now. Sadly many, including the big hotel chains, do not care about anything other than profits. And most of the people who benefit from tourism in Hawaii are not even the natives. Most airbnbs are owned by people who don't even live there.


It's a mixed message from the government frankly- who specifically should we be listening to to know when it will be ok for visitors to come to Maui in general again? And who can we advocate to make these big hotel chains give workers paid time off to grieve and recover?
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Anonymous wrote:For our 20th next year we had planned for Kauai and Maui. I spent a ton of time researching which islands to choose. We haven’t bought flights yet and hotel can be cancelled and I’m seriously considering changing from Maui to another island. I didn’t know that west Maui had devastating wildfires less than 5 years ago too. Should we just go to Oahu and stay apart from the Waikiki area? Do the north and west parts?

Thoughts? I feel so badly for everyone on Maui now, both residents and tourists.


Poor you. Those bad fires inconvenienced Mr.and Mrs. Got Bucks. You should go elsewhere because you are tone deaf. These people have lost loved ones. Lost their homes. Hospitals. Schools. Most have lose all possessions and their only clothes are on their back. Shame on you! Go to Mexico.



If we don't go stay in our hotel room, they'll just sell it to someone else. You know they aren't going to close the hotels for a year, right?
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Anonymous wrote:For our 20th next year we had planned for Kauai and Maui. I spent a ton of time researching which islands to choose. We haven’t bought flights yet and hotel can be cancelled and I’m seriously considering changing from Maui to another island. I didn’t know that west Maui had devastating wildfires less than 5 years ago too. Should we just go to Oahu and stay apart from the Waikiki area? Do the north and west parts?

Thoughts? I feel so badly for everyone on Maui now, both residents and tourists.


Poor you. Those bad fires inconvenienced Mr.and Mrs. Got Bucks. You should go elsewhere because you are tone deaf. These people have lost loved ones. Lost their homes. Hospitals. Schools. Most have lose all possessions and their only clothes are on their back. Shame on you! Go to Mexico.



If we don't go stay in our hotel room, they'll just sell it to someone else. You know they aren't going to close the hotels for a year, right?


That's the spirit!

and we wonder why our world is going to sh*t
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Anonymous wrote:It’s going to take years to recover sadly. We should all be donating to organizations that will house the locals in the resorts for as long as is needed, because they’ve lost everything and getting materials in to rebuild will take a long time. Tourists going back will only push them out of needed shelter.


This 1000x

For now, hotels/condos are the best way to house the 10K+ who just became homeless and literally have nothing. Many also do not have vehicles anymore or a job as their place of business may be obliterated.
It will take a very long time to rebuild, to get the supplies in to enable the rebuilding.
There was just a new low income housing for 89families that opened in Dec 2022 in Lahaina---that is gone. Those families finally had reasonably affordable housing and now they just lost everything.

We will wait to return when the government says they are ready. Until then, we will donate to help assist with the rebuilding and keeping the families safe and provided for in our Happy place.



Unfortunately, the government may not look out for the best interests of residents either, they will be eager to get tourism cash again even if it hurts the residents. So yes wait for the ok from the local government but then you need to really listen to the people there on the ground if they are ready for you to return or if it's just going to displace them.


This! The governor has been quotes as saying that only west Maui is current closed. When in reality the entire island should be closed for now. there are still as many as 1300 people missing and those who are now without a home need immediate help and supplies. Tourist should not be there sucking up resources anytime soon. But the governor does not care and will not officially close the island. It is also sad to expect people to have lost everything including friends and family to still be serving up poolside cocktails because people are too selfish to cancel their vacation plans.


I agree, but with the recovery there needs to be a plan to diversify the state's economy. Way too reliant on tourism. And there is this whole other train of thought on anther forum I visit that people cancelling their vacations is selfish, not the other way around, because that is punishing those that rely on tourism dollars. If visitors don't come, people will lose their jobs.


The only ones who say this are the tourists who think the island exist for them. I have not seen a single thing from a Maui local or native telling people to hop on a plane tomorrow or that they are selfish if they cancel their vacation. I did see a video of Maui local who lost her home and was given a room at the resort. She said hos sad and painful it was to see people enjoying around them their vacation while the employees are literally holding back tears as they serve them. She said one maintenance worker was sitting on the grass crying. Jobs are the last thing people are worried about when they still likely have friends who are still missing or who have lost everything. Sure, return in time but the last thing they need for at least the next month is tourists. Listen to the locals and natives not tourists, selfish government officials or the big corporations who only care about profits.


Will the people be less sad if they are unemployed?


You have a distinctly different opinion form the locals. Right now the locals are worried about nearly 1300 missing residents. They are worried about shelter and food. They are applying for access back to their homes to see if they have anythng left. I heard an interview and residents have to apply for a permit to go back to their homes. The issue is that the authorities are trying to stagger when people go back because everyone rushing back would interfere with the recovery efforts, searching for bodies and remains and trying to determine which building are structurally sound. Some residents who are allowed to go home are hunkering down in their homes because others who are allowed back are looting, so people are going home and staying put to protect what is left of their homes. They are also trying to get disaster aid to get food and water.

And you think that these people who are struggling with just surviving and finding loved ones and protecting their homes have any interest in going to work to serve snobby tourists? So far, I have hear no resident who has said anything about wanting tourists. I have heard many asking tourists to go home. The only ones that I have heard suggesting that tourist stay or come, are officials like the governor who is not one of the ones that was displaced or who has to provide service to tourists.

So, I think you are woefully wrong about what the locals want.


I think I'm being realistic. If the locals have had enough they should up and quit, if they still have a job. I'm not going to Maui demanding my Mai Tai. But since the most common job is working in hospitality, the workers will find that this is a double edged sword. This is the reality for people who live in resort communities. I live in one also. What do you think is really going to happen long term? In the short term many have no jobs to go back to anyway to serve tourists they resent. Their jobs are already gone. What will replace them?


I still think you are wrong. I know a couple of people who lived in New Orleans when Karina rolled through. After the destruction, there were many people who used federal disaster relief funds that were channeled to them to survive on. They had some savings and they then went into overdrive working on rebuilding their houses. They took the federal relief funding, plus unemployment payments for the 52 weeks those lasted (they had 26 weeks, but it was doubled due to the disaster) bought supplies for the renovating the house and did much of the work themselves, saving labor costs. They used a little bit of the money saved by doing the labor themselves to augment their savings and federal funds. Two couples that went nearly 2 years without working to rebuild their houses and help neighbors rebuild theirs. There were many people in the area that did similar things.

Many people will qualify for disaster relief. The ones that worked will qualify for unemployment. The tourism industry is not going to be fully staffed for at least a year, probably 2 years. Just don't go and claim you are supporting the tourism industry and then claim foul when many services and facilities are not available for tourists while they rebuild.
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Anonymous wrote:It’s going to take years to recover sadly. We should all be donating to organizations that will house the locals in the resorts for as long as is needed, because they’ve lost everything and getting materials in to rebuild will take a long time. Tourists going back will only push them out of needed shelter.


This 1000x

For now, hotels/condos are the best way to house the 10K+ who just became homeless and literally have nothing. Many also do not have vehicles anymore or a job as their place of business may be obliterated.
It will take a very long time to rebuild, to get the supplies in to enable the rebuilding.
There was just a new low income housing for 89families that opened in Dec 2022 in Lahaina---that is gone. Those families finally had reasonably affordable housing and now they just lost everything.

We will wait to return when the government says they are ready. Until then, we will donate to help assist with the rebuilding and keeping the families safe and provided for in our Happy place.



Unfortunately, the government may not look out for the best interests of residents either, they will be eager to get tourism cash again even if it hurts the residents. So yes wait for the ok from the local government but then you need to really listen to the people there on the ground if they are ready for you to return or if it's just going to displace them.


This! The governor has been quotes as saying that only west Maui is current closed. When in reality the entire island should be closed for now. there are still as many as 1300 people missing and those who are now without a home need immediate help and supplies. Tourist should not be there sucking up resources anytime soon. But the governor does not care and will not officially close the island. It is also sad to expect people to have lost everything including friends and family to still be serving up poolside cocktails because people are too selfish to cancel their vacation plans.


I agree, but with the recovery there needs to be a plan to diversify the state's economy. Way too reliant on tourism. And there is this whole other train of thought on anther forum I visit that people cancelling their vacations is selfish, not the other way around, because that is punishing those that rely on tourism dollars. If visitors don't come, people will lose their jobs.


The only ones who say this are the tourists who think the island exist for them. I have not seen a single thing from a Maui local or native telling people to hop on a plane tomorrow or that they are selfish if they cancel their vacation. I did see a video of Maui local who lost her home and was given a room at the resort. She said hos sad and painful it was to see people enjoying around them their vacation while the employees are literally holding back tears as they serve them. She said one maintenance worker was sitting on the grass crying. Jobs are the last thing people are worried about when they still likely have friends who are still missing or who have lost everything. Sure, return in time but the last thing they need for at least the next month is tourists. Listen to the locals and natives not tourists, selfish government officials or the big corporations who only care about profits.


Will the people be less sad if they are unemployed?


You have a distinctly different opinion form the locals. Right now the locals are worried about nearly 1300 missing residents. They are worried about shelter and food. They are applying for access back to their homes to see if they have anythng left. I heard an interview and residents have to apply for a permit to go back to their homes. The issue is that the authorities are trying to stagger when people go back because everyone rushing back would interfere with the recovery efforts, searching for bodies and remains and trying to determine which building are structurally sound. Some residents who are allowed to go home are hunkering down in their homes because others who are allowed back are looting, so people are going home and staying put to protect what is left of their homes. They are also trying to get disaster aid to get food and water.

And you think that these people who are struggling with just surviving and finding loved ones and protecting their homes have any interest in going to work to serve snobby tourists? So far, I have hear no resident who has said anything about wanting tourists. I have heard many asking tourists to go home. The only ones that I have heard suggesting that tourist stay or come, are officials like the governor who is not one of the ones that was displaced or who has to provide service to tourists.

So, I think you are woefully wrong about what the locals want.


I think I'm being realistic. If the locals have had enough they should up and quit, if they still have a job. I'm not going to Maui demanding my Mai Tai. But since the most common job is working in hospitality, the workers will find that this is a double edged sword. This is the reality for people who live in resort communities. I live in one also. What do you think is really going to happen long term? In the short term many have no jobs to go back to anyway to serve tourists they resent. Their jobs are already gone. What will replace them?


I still think you are wrong. I know a couple of people who lived in New Orleans when Karina rolled through. After the destruction, there were many people who used federal disaster relief funds that were channeled to them to survive on. They had some savings and they then went into overdrive working on rebuilding their houses. They took the federal relief funding, plus unemployment payments for the 52 weeks those lasted (they had 26 weeks, but it was doubled due to the disaster) bought supplies for the renovating the house and did much of the work themselves, saving labor costs. They used a little bit of the money saved by doing the labor themselves to augment their savings and federal funds. Two couples that went nearly 2 years without working to rebuild their houses and help neighbors rebuild theirs. There were many people in the area that did similar things.

Many people will qualify for disaster relief. The ones that worked will qualify for unemployment. The tourism industry is not going to be fully staffed for at least a year, probably 2 years. Just don't go and claim you are supporting the tourism industry and then claim foul when many services and facilities are not available for tourists while they rebuild.


Why would I claim foul when I already said I'm not going? I went about 35 years ago that was enough. You are vastly overestimating the effects of this fire. In New Orleans 800,000 people were displaced and 200,000 homes, not remotely comparable. In Lahaina, 2200 buildings destroyed. A small fraction of the Maui residents live in Lahaina. Lahaina is destroyed, but Maui is going to be oK.
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Anonymous wrote:It’s going to take years to recover sadly. We should all be donating to organizations that will house the locals in the resorts for as long as is needed, because they’ve lost everything and getting materials in to rebuild will take a long time. Tourists going back will only push them out of needed shelter.


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For now, hotels/condos are the best way to house the 10K+ who just became homeless and literally have nothing. Many also do not have vehicles anymore or a job as their place of business may be obliterated.
It will take a very long time to rebuild, to get the supplies in to enable the rebuilding.
There was just a new low income housing for 89families that opened in Dec 2022 in Lahaina---that is gone. Those families finally had reasonably affordable housing and now they just lost everything.

We will wait to return when the government says they are ready. Until then, we will donate to help assist with the rebuilding and keeping the families safe and provided for in our Happy place.



Unfortunately, the government may not look out for the best interests of residents either, they will be eager to get tourism cash again even if it hurts the residents. So yes wait for the ok from the local government but then you need to really listen to the people there on the ground if they are ready for you to return or if it's just going to displace them.


This! The governor has been quotes as saying that only west Maui is current closed. When in reality the entire island should be closed for now. there are still as many as 1300 people missing and those who are now without a home need immediate help and supplies. Tourist should not be there sucking up resources anytime soon. But the governor does not care and will not officially close the island. It is also sad to expect people to have lost everything including friends and family to still be serving up poolside cocktails because people are too selfish to cancel their vacation plans.


I agree, but with the recovery there needs to be a plan to diversify the state's economy. Way too reliant on tourism. And there is this whole other train of thought on anther forum I visit that people cancelling their vacations is selfish, not the other way around, because that is punishing those that rely on tourism dollars. If visitors don't come, people will lose their jobs.


The only ones who say this are the tourists who think the island exist for them. I have not seen a single thing from a Maui local or native telling people to hop on a plane tomorrow or that they are selfish if they cancel their vacation. I did see a video of Maui local who lost her home and was given a room at the resort. She said hos sad and painful it was to see people enjoying around them their vacation while the employees are literally holding back tears as they serve them. She said one maintenance worker was sitting on the grass crying. Jobs are the last thing people are worried about when they still likely have friends who are still missing or who have lost everything. Sure, return in time but the last thing they need for at least the next month is tourists. Listen to the locals and natives not tourists, selfish government officials or the big corporations who only care about profits.


Will the people be less sad if they are unemployed?


Not sure about you but if my friends and family were missing or just lost everything, heck if I had just lost everything and had no home the last thing I would care about is my job and serving *hole tourist like you a cocktail. Not to mention there is one hospital on the island and most emergency personnel are focused on finding the dead bodies so if a tourist has an emergency they won't be getting much help.

Not saying stay away forever but anyone going to Maui right now is a selfish.....


Then stop going to work! The job will be there when they are ready to go back.


stop caring only about yourself and your damn vacation.


I have no plans to go to Maui. But, really, if you resent the tourists so much, quit the job. Do whatever you think you would do if tourism didn't exist. See how that works out.


I don't live or work in Maui. But I do listen when people who are there are actively telling people not to come right now. Sadly many, including the big hotel chains, do not care about anything other than profits. And most of the people who benefit from tourism in Hawaii are not even the natives. Most airbnbs are owned by people who don't even live there.


You did not have to write “ I don’t live or work in Maui”… it is very obvious from your posts. Frankly your opinion is of someone who is not particularly bright.
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I as listening to the NPR report about the massive problem of clearing the invasive grass on the island that is contributing to the fires. I wonder what people would think about spending 1 day of their vacation clearing grass to build firebreaks. They were also talking about how a big problem is that the grass has taken over the abandoned sugar fields. I’m not sure who owns that property now. I wonder if the state could eminent domain it, then give small acreage to free to anyone that will grow crops on it to maintain it.
I think the severity of this tragedy may prompt some out of the box thinking about the future of the island.
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Anonymous wrote:It’s going to take years to recover sadly. We should all be donating to organizations that will house the locals in the resorts for as long as is needed, because they’ve lost everything and getting materials in to rebuild will take a long time. Tourists going back will only push them out of needed shelter.


This 1000x

For now, hotels/condos are the best way to house the 10K+ who just became homeless and literally have nothing. Many also do not have vehicles anymore or a job as their place of business may be obliterated.
It will take a very long time to rebuild, to get the supplies in to enable the rebuilding.
There was just a new low income housing for 89families that opened in Dec 2022 in Lahaina---that is gone. Those families finally had reasonably affordable housing and now they just lost everything.

We will wait to return when the government says they are ready. Until then, we will donate to help assist with the rebuilding and keeping the families safe and provided for in our Happy place.



Unfortunately, the government may not look out for the best interests of residents either, they will be eager to get tourism cash again even if it hurts the residents. So yes wait for the ok from the local government but then you need to really listen to the people there on the ground if they are ready for you to return or if it's just going to displace them.


This! The governor has been quotes as saying that only west Maui is current closed. When in reality the entire island should be closed for now. there are still as many as 1300 people missing and those who are now without a home need immediate help and supplies. Tourist should not be there sucking up resources anytime soon. But the governor does not care and will not officially close the island. It is also sad to expect people to have lost everything including friends and family to still be serving up poolside cocktails because people are too selfish to cancel their vacation plans.


I agree, but with the recovery there needs to be a plan to diversify the state's economy. Way too reliant on tourism. And there is this whole other train of thought on anther forum I visit that people cancelling their vacations is selfish, not the other way around, because that is punishing those that rely on tourism dollars. If visitors don't come, people will lose their jobs.


The only ones who say this are the tourists who think the island exist for them. I have not seen a single thing from a Maui local or native telling people to hop on a plane tomorrow or that they are selfish if they cancel their vacation. I did see a video of Maui local who lost her home and was given a room at the resort. She said hos sad and painful it was to see people enjoying around them their vacation while the employees are literally holding back tears as they serve them. She said one maintenance worker was sitting on the grass crying. Jobs are the last thing people are worried about when they still likely have friends who are still missing or who have lost everything. Sure, return in time but the last thing they need for at least the next month is tourists. Listen to the locals and natives not tourists, selfish government officials or the big corporations who only care about profits.


Will the people be less sad if they are unemployed?


Not sure about you but if my friends and family were missing or just lost everything, heck if I had just lost everything and had no home the last thing I would care about is my job and serving *hole tourist like you a cocktail. Not to mention there is one hospital on the island and most emergency personnel are focused on finding the dead bodies so if a tourist has an emergency they won't be getting much help.

Not saying stay away forever but anyone going to Maui right now is a selfish.....


Then stop going to work! The job will be there when they are ready to go back.


stop caring only about yourself and your damn vacation.


I have no plans to go to Maui. But, really, if you resent the tourists so much, quit the job. Do whatever you think you would do if tourism didn't exist. See how that works out.


I don't live or work in Maui. But I do listen when people who are there are actively telling people not to come right now. Sadly many, including the big hotel chains, do not care about anything other than profits. And most of the people who benefit from tourism in Hawaii are not even the natives. Most airbnbs are owned by people who don't even live there.


Right, so this resentment has been brewing for years. They have been telling people not to come for years. Some will probably even try to take advantage of the fire to further their own agenda.


I lived and still work in HI. My heart is there and breaking for the affected families. And this is true. Many would wish to be like Molokai which eschews tourism but has the highest unemployment and poverty rates in the state. If it weren’t for welfare I’m not sure what the people of Molokai would do.
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Anonymous wrote:I as listening to the NPR report about the massive problem of clearing the invasive grass on the island that is contributing to the fires. I wonder what people would think about spending 1 day of their vacation clearing grass to build firebreaks. They were also talking about how a big problem is that the grass has taken over the abandoned sugar fields. I’m not sure who owns that property now. I wonder if the state could eminent domain it, then give small acreage to free to anyone that will grow crops on it to maintain it.
I think the severity of this tragedy may prompt some out of the box thinking about the future of the island.


this isn’t going to help the fact that freshwater has been for a long time diverted to wealthy enclaves at the expense of the common folk. listening to the press conferences it feels like a lot of blaming natural forces and climate change and not addressing the elephant in the room.
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Anonymous wrote:I as listening to the NPR report about the massive problem of clearing the invasive grass on the island that is contributing to the fires. I wonder what people would think about spending 1 day of their vacation clearing grass to build firebreaks. They were also talking about how a big problem is that the grass has taken over the abandoned sugar fields. I’m not sure who owns that property now. I wonder if the state could eminent domain it, then give small acreage to free to anyone that will grow crops on it to maintain it.
I think the severity of this tragedy may prompt some out of the box thinking about the future of the island.


this isn’t going to help the fact that freshwater has been for a long time diverted to wealthy enclaves at the expense of the common folk. listening to the press conferences it feels like a lot of blaming natural forces and climate change and not addressing the elephant in the room.


Yes. I think if they are going to open Maui back up for tourism, that they are going to have to impose water restrictions on the tourists. They are going to have to install water meters on showers, turn off fountains at resorts and hotels, and generally conserve water. The fresh water problem was hard enough to deal with when residents might have to buy potable water, but now bottled water is going to be at a premium as so much of the cargo space of boats and planes coming to Maui will be for food and building supplies, they won't be able to bring in nearly as much bottled and packaged water as they did before.
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